Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread

My Drake Maye dream has died inside me. I’m fully prepared to hate their pick.

Does make me wonder how he'd do with two more years of college under a top coach with an NFL level OL and likely Top 10 and Top 20 pick WRs to throw to... (h/t UMass I think)

Drake Maye lost multiple WR and multiple OL to NFL draft last year and his OC. Go watch his tape from two years ago. He's not inaccurate throwing. It's OC asking him to do way too much without the talent needed. Think Zappe end of year with so many top players out and them asking him to throw most plays.

Guys like McCarthy and Daniels against good teams do a ton of easy checkdowns. They didn't do that with Maye, it's go out there and make big plays to win us the game. Same crap you see with Rattler. Overall Maye did rather well in a horrible situation and it's great he got to learn that crap in College. People are docking him for this year and I see it as a big plus. Guys like Williams, Maye and Rattler won't be shell-shocked by the pressure NFL teams bring every game.

You just need to make sure you get the offensive talent level upgrade done before he plays. He's got some issues, every college QB does. He's not as raw as some people think. He's not some major project like Josh Allen, Jordan Love or Anthony Richardson.

we’re so close to this madness being over, let’s have a good week folks

I was quibbling (as stated) with going from All-time great down to very good. I agree the other 2 are all-time greats and think Kelly was certainly below them. I think we agree where they stand, i just thought the initial wording of just very good was a light.

Rivers was great

Eli was inconsistent but could step up and play top notch football. He’ll easily make the HOF because of his 2 great runs but overall his career is underwhelming in my opinion.

Matt Ryan I struggle to label

This is my understanding of best case comps. Let me know if I'm way off here.

Caleb Williams - Mahomes (but not win the Superbowl every year elite. Similar play style and abilities)

Jayden Daniels - A more accurate Lamar. Maybe Michael Vick type.

Drake Maye - Blend of Justin Herbert and Josh Allen

JJ McCarthy - Alex Smith maybe? Baker Mayfield?

Michael Penix - Philip Rivers

Bo Nix - Brian Hoyer. Maybe not fair. I'm just not a fan. I see a comp listed for him as Andy Dalton

Age and knees scares me though.

That would be awful

Ugh, Jonathan Kraft is like the spoiled child of the emperor who burns down the kingdom.

You know what trade the pick so that Minnesota take Maye and we get to watch him with Kevin O’Connell throwing it to Justin Jefferson.

MY OL RANKINGS
I am pretty close to consensus with three notable differences.
I'm not doing this for any other position.

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top 5:
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Joe Alt LT Notre Dame, age 21.1. Good measurables. Excellent testing. Last two years, excellent PFFs in both pass and run. Excellent technique. Moves really well. No significant weaknesses. Based on age and frame looks like he could add muscle...but he is already very good.

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top 20
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You could make a reasonable argument for this group in any order. They all look like day one starters, but each comes with a caveat.

Amarius Mims OT Georgia, age 21.4. Enormous. Every measurable was > 90%. Good testing. Often looks dominant on the field. He played RT but could probably play LT as well. However, staying on the field is a skill and he has not demonstrated that skill yet (he has not demonstrated he can't either). Run blocking needs some work, but he should get there.

Taliese Fuaga RT/OG Oregon State, age 22.0. For an OT his wingspan and arms are short. Other measurables are average. Testing above average. PFF says run blocking is excellent. Along with Alt, the best run blocker in the class. Pass blocking scores are good as well but there is some concern about outside speed rushers. May fit better at OG. I would start him at RT.

JC Latham RT/RG Alabama, age 21.1. Another very large man. Very strong. High ankle sprain prevented him from testing. Good PFFs in both pass and run. May fit better at OG due to difficulty with outside speed rushers. He has been ok so far but its close.

Olu Fashanu LT Penn St, age 21.3. Average measurables except 0% hands. Athletic. Testing was good to very good. Excellent in pass protection. Very good technique. Excellent mirroring. Moves well in all directions. Not so great as a run blocker. The run blocking could improve, but maybe this is what he is.

I have Mims slightly above the others due to having the highest ceiling, but they all look good.

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late 1st
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Jackson Powers Johnson (OC/OG). Very large for an OC. Performance-wise he was as good as (maybe better than) the last four. Only 1 pressure last year. Was dominant at the Sr Bowl. I have him lower than the previous four because he is interior only. Possible medical concerns would drop him as well. Probably better in a gap scheme. That works for the Pats.

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2nd round
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A few guys here with questions about their eventual positions.

Jordan Morgan LT Arizona State, age 22.6. Good footspeed. Good pass blocking PFFs, but he has some trouble with outside speed rushes, and his anchor is just so-so. Hand usage is very good. Borderline short arms. Does he move to OG? Probably best as LT in an outside zone scheme, but Pats are not big on that. Not the best fit.

Graham Barton LT/C Duke, age 21.8. Excellent in 2022. Overall PFF grade 88.2. 2023 he missed 4 games and played much of remainder of the year with a lower body injury. He was still pretty good. Testing was excellent. He is small but very quick. Seems to get his hands pretty wide. High motor. Has some issues with anchor. Can he stay at LT or does he move inside to OC? Would be great as a LT in in an outside zone scheme, but Pats are not big on that. Possibly still a consideration at OC.

Christian Mahogany IOL Boston College, age 23.5. I have him higher than most do. Average to good measurables. Excellent testing. Excellent performance in 2021. Missed 2022 with an ACL tear. Was not quite as dominant in 2023 but still good PFFs in both pass and run. Dominant at OG and OC at the Shrine Bowl. He is a violent blocker. Best in gap. That works for the Pats. Get him!

Cooper Beebe OL Kansas State, age 22.9. has played, and been good everywhere except OC. Very good testing, although he doesn't look that athletic on the field. Last two years, good PFFs in both pass and run. He is a mauler. Plays through the whistle. However, he has very short arms and very small hands so probably fits best on the interior. But he could play outside in a pinch.

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3rd round
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Zach Frazier OC West Virginia, age 22.8. on the small side for a OC. Testing was disappointing. He seems fairly athletic on the field. He was a former state wrestling champion. PFFs were good in both pass and run. I do worry about the anchor a bit though.

Troy Fautanu LT Washington, age 23.5. I am way off consensus here - I suspect I am wrong on this one. Many people have him as a 1st rounder, but I don't see it. Small to average measurables. Tested very well. His PFF pass grade was very good...but...run blocking was mediocre. He doesn't appear to have a great anchor and he gets driven into his QB way more than is normal...and that is against Pac-12. Some suggest he move to OG, but if anchor is the issue that doesn't help. Probably works best in an outside zone scheme but the Pats are not big on that. Probably not a great fit.

Patrick Paul LT Houston, age 23.4. Physically huge (although small hands). Testing average to good. Excellent PFF pass grades despite questionable technique. Needs work on hand usage. Run blocking has not been good. Developmental, although he should get there.

Kingsley Suamataia LT/RT BYU, age 21.2. Ok size. Athletic. Very good testing. Pass blocking PFFs were good despite some sloppiness. Run blocking, particularly in 2023, was a mess. Developmental, but he looks like he should get there. He is getting mocked in the 2nd which seems too high given the amount of work he needs. But I do like him.

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4th round
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Dominick Puni OL Kansas, age 22.5??? I also see age 24. 2022 played LG. 2023 played LT. In the Sr Bowl he played, and looked good, everywhere on the OL. As an OG, his measurables are average. As an OT, his arms are borderline. Testing average to very good. PFF pass grade (at LT) was very good. PFF run blocking grades were ok. No particular red flags. He seems to do everything pretty well.

Christian Haynes RG UConn, age 23? measurables, except weight, are small for an OG. Average to very good testing. Over 3300 college snaps. Very good PFF scores for the last two years. Anchor is not so great. Very good zone blocker, but the Pats don't do that so much. I'm probably a round lower than most are on him.

Mason McCormick OG/OC South Dakota St, age 23.11. Short and light (for an OG) but large wingspan, arms, hands. Excellent testing. #1 among OGs. Good PFF pass grade against lower-level competition. PFF run grade was just ok. Very good Shrine Bowl at both OC and OG. Might be too light for OG. Similar profile to Cole Strange.

Brandon Coleman LT/LG TCU, age 22-23? Short. Average weight. Large wingspan, arms, hands. Excellent testing. #1 combine grade among OTs. Overall PFF grade of 79.6 in 2022 vs 57.7 in 2023. Better in pass than in run. Played with a lower calf injury much of this year which could have affected this year's performance. Bet on his testing.

Sedrick Van Pran-Granger OC Georgia, age 22.4. Measurables are very small, particularly after he dropped weight for the combine. Testing was average. Fairly good PFF scores in both pass and run. He can be a mauler in pass protection, but he doesn't move that well.

Tyler Guyton RT Oklahoma, age 22.10. I am way off consensus here as well, but I am fairly confident in my assessment. Very tall. Good weight. Average wingspan, arms, and hands. Average testing, except very good in the Vert. Mirrors well, but his pass blocking is sloppy. Poor leverage. Every so often he looks very good, but then he completely whiffs...and his run blocking is just bad. He needs a lot of work. People are talking about him in the late 1st or 2nd rounds. Pass.

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5th round
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Christian Jones OT Texas, age 23.11. Average height. His play weight should be around 320 which is fine. Wingspan, arms, hands all above average. Testing was poor, except for the 40 which was good. Has over 3200 snaps in a good conference. He has played both RT and LT. His performance has been pretty good across the board. Upside may be limited but he could probably play day one. Likely a swing tackle.

Javon Foster LT Missouri, age 24? Measurements are below average. Testing was average. PFF pass grade was good. Subjectively he seemed slow. PFF run grade, specifically in zone, was very good. Probably best in outside zone, although he's not that fast. Also, the Pats don't use that so much. Not sure how much development he has left. Probably not a great fit.

Blake Fisher RT Notre Dame, age 21.0. Measurements, except arm length, are below average. Testing was average. PFF pass and run were both just ok. He has pretty good technique but is limited by his athleticism. Not sure if this is fixable.

Kiran Amegadjie LT Yale, age 22. Not a lot to go on. Wingspan and arm length are very good. Hands are small. No testing, except bench, due to a knee injury. He barely played last year, and the level of his competition was poor. I assume he is smart. Developmental.

Giovanni Manu OT University of British Columbia, age 22? Native of Tonga. Very large man. Very athletic. Difficult to evaluate performance as the competition was weak. A development project with possible high upside. Many teams have scouted him and at least seven had top 30 visits. Might be willing to take him in the 4th based on the upside.

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6th - 7th rounds
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Roger Rosengarten RT Washington, age 21.10. Small for a tackle. Fast. Very good testing. PFF pass protection score was good. Even so, he has trouble with anchoring. Despite good foot speed his run blocking was bad. Some people really like him.

Beaux Limmer OC Arkansas, age 22.10. Tall but his other measurables are small for an OC. Vert, Broad, and Bench were excellent. Other tests were ok. PFF has him as a fairly good run blocker. Not so good in pass protection. Has trouble with bull rushes. Not sure if that is fixable given his measurables.

Matt Goncalves OT Pitt, age 23.3. Height and weight are good. Other measurables are poor. 2023 missed all but 3 games due to injured left big toe. Testing was poor to average. 2022 and 2023 PFF rate stats look similar. Fairly good in pass protection. Below average run blocker.

Jalen Sundell OC North Dakota State U, age 24.5. Played OC in 2021 and 2022. Knee injury ended his 2022 season after 5 games. Played LT in 2023. PFFs were good at LT although against lesser competition. But his measurables are really small for an OT. I think he's an OC. In 2021-22 in 816 snaps at OC he had 1 sack, 1 hit, 1 hurry. Older.

Josiah Ezirim RT Eastern Kentucky, age 23? Weight, wingspan, and hands are very good. Arm length is borderline. Tested above average. Good PFF pass and run against weak competition. Developmental.

Garret Greenfield LT/RT South Dakota St., age 24? Average height, weight, wing. Arms and hands well below average. Excellent vertical and broad jumps. Other tests were average to poor. PFF pass grade was good vs lesser competition. Run blocking was not good. Developmental but I don't think he's young either.

Travis Glover LT Georgia St, age 24? Average measurables. Poor testing. PFF pass was good. PFF run was mediocre. Developmental. I think the Pats brought him in for a visit.

Donovan Jennings LT University of South Florida, age 24.4. Measurables are very small except weight. 40 was very good. Other testing was average. Pass protection was good. Run blocking was mediocre. Played LT almost exclusively over 6 years. A few snaps at RG. Short for an OT. Shrine Bowl played OG. Pats met with him.