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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 14, 2024 11:33:01 GMT -5
I'm confused, Caserio was the scouts boss, how is listening to him a bad thing? You will have that on every team, scouts feeling their voice isn't heard. Same thing with this board, you'll never get everyone agreeing on player evaluations. This would have been an issue if he wasn't listening to anyone and Bill was just doing his own thing. Per reports that's not what happened. The Athletic just disappoints me, others have had good reports with crazy interesting information and they write that crap. Talking about Mac Jones and Matt Patricia. News flash Mac Jones has gotten worse during the season for 3 straight years under 3 different OC. Bill was right last year when he wanted to dump him! He's Andy Dalton without the mental fortitude.
It's early but reports are saying the Bears likely go QB at #1. Which means no top 2 QB for Patriots, not ideal but Harrison Jr. isn't a bad option, a rare safe pick at WR.
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Post by cdj on Jan 14, 2024 11:47:10 GMT -5
I'm confused, Caserio was the scouts boss, how is listening to him a bad thing? You will have that on every team, scouts feeling their voice isn't heard. Same thing with this board, you'll never get everyone agreeing on player evaluations. This would have been an issue if he wasn't listening to anyone and Bill was just doing his own thing. Per reports that's not what happened. The Athletic just disappoints me, others have had good reports with crazy interesting information and they write that crap. Talking about Mac Jones and Matt Patricia. News flash Mac Jones has gotten worse during the season for 3 straight years under 3 different OC. Bill was right last year when he wanted to dump him! He's Andy Dalton without the mental fortitude. It's early but reports are saying the Bears likely go QB at #1. Which means no top 2 QB for Patriots, not ideal but Harrison Jr. isn't a bad option, a rare safe pick at WR. We just gonna pretend Jeff Howe is a hack now instead of believing what everybody else around the league/world knows to be fact? We just gonna keep pretending that Matt “throw it to the open guy” Patricia is a good OC and putting him in charge of a QBs year 2 development was smart ? Because I think Jeff Howe is a lot better at his job than Matt Patricia was. And Jones has declined every year, I think that was partially his fault but we undoubtedly share a large portion of the blame by giving him Patricia + no help in what is probably the most important year of a QBs development I’ve watched MHJR highlights for a week and I’m all in |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 14, 2024 12:36:47 GMT -5
They should have conducted a search and and let some people wow them or not than just keep everybody in house without even the exercise. Are we really gonna pretend that BB was the only issue in the way of all the good things happening here. Are they even gonna conduct a search for an OC/DC?
We’ll see but I think this was the opportunity to really make some changes to improve the operations.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 14, 2024 13:27:45 GMT -5
What are the chances the Patriots force a QB draft pick at #3? Thats my least preferred option and I keep seeing it in mocks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 14, 2024 13:51:12 GMT -5
I'm confused, Caserio was the scouts boss, how is listening to him a bad thing? You will have that on every team, scouts feeling their voice isn't heard. Same thing with this board, you'll never get everyone agreeing on player evaluations. This would have been an issue if he wasn't listening to anyone and Bill was just doing his own thing. Per reports that's not what happened. The Athletic just disappoints me, others have had good reports with crazy interesting information and they write that crap. Talking about Mac Jones and Matt Patricia. News flash Mac Jones has gotten worse during the season for 3 straight years under 3 different OC. Bill was right last year when he wanted to dump him! He's Andy Dalton without the mental fortitude. It's early but reports are saying the Bears likely go QB at #1. Which means no top 2 QB for Patriots, not ideal but Harrison Jr. isn't a bad option, a rare safe pick at WR. We just gonna pretend Jeff Howe is a hack now instead of believing what everybody else around the league/world knows to be fact? We just gonna keep pretending that Matt “throw it to the open guy” Patricia is a good OC and putting him in charge of a QBs year 2 development was smart ? Because I think Jeff Howe is a lot better at his job than Matt Patricia was. And Jones has declined every year, I think that was partially his fault but we undoubtedly share a large portion of the blame by giving him Patricia + no help in what is probably the most important year of a QBs development I’ve watched MHJR highlights for a week and I’m all in The whole narrative took hold because of the way Jones played last year, they blamed Patricia. Yeah that’s old news crap, because Jones got worse under O'Brian a guy with loads of experience. O'Brian has blown up on Mac Jones multiple times saying the same exact thing, throw to the open guy. Yet right now where going to say that about Patricia? Watch the tape, he's missed open guys for two straight years. Texans OC spent years on D, why? To make him a better OC, they literally had him learn D first. No one ruined Mac Jones, McDaniels simply had a highly effective running game that helped cover up his weaknesses. Go look at the end of his rookie year and the results. Now look at Texans QB, he's getting better not worse. Once the league figured out Mac Jones it was over. The talent is there, he needs to work on the mental part. It was my big worry after scouting him, we never got to see how he reacts when he struggles. Well we got our answer, not very well. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jan 14, 2024 15:12:36 GMT -5
What are the chances the Patriots force a QB draft pick at #3? Thats my least preferred option and I keep seeing it in mocks. "Force"? Some/many think publicly Daniels might be QB#2 in this draft (more might think that privately, or maybe even #1) so I don't know it would be a force choosing Daniels at #3. I'd suppose it would be a matter of trusting your board and applying the appropriate multiplier that QBs get because of positional value. That said, it doesn't mean I'm advocating taking Daniels, or Maye if Daniels leapfrogs him. I kind of like taking a "sure thing" at #3 like Alt or the other LT and maybe McCarty or Penix late 1st or early 2nd with the next pick. I dunno. I see good arguments for both. Either way there's plenty of good options. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jan 14, 2024 15:20:05 GMT -5
Btw, I thought Jeff Howe was kind of a good beat guy when he was religiously charting all the QB throws at camp. He didn't really analyze, he reported. This reader dislikes the amateur analysts. Just report please. JH was solid.
Since he's gotten promoted to National Insider it seems he strains to live up to the billing, regurgitating a lot of fluff. I doubt he has any sort of network.
So I don't even read his column anymore. Funniest thing he wrote was during his training camps tour when he was always complaining about how rigorous his travel schedule was and he made the mistake of sharing this bit of information with a HC who apparently called him, in so many words, a part of a woman's anatomy. JH got all in his feelings about that too and expected the reader to share his outrage. Best thing he ever wrote.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 14, 2024 16:06:18 GMT -5
Btw, I thought Jeff Howe was kind of a good beat guy when he was religiously charting all the QB throws at camp. He didn't really analyze, he reported. This reader dislikes the amateur analysts. Just report please. JH was solid. Since he's gotten promoted to National Insider it seems he strains to live up to the billing, regurgitating a lot of fluff. I doubt he has any sort of network. So I don't even read his column anymore. Funniest thing he wrote was during his training camps tour when he was always complaining about how rigorous his travel schedule was and he made the mistake of sharing this bit of information with a HC who apparently called him, in so many words, a part of a woman's anatomy. JH got all in his feelings about that too and expected the reader to share his outrage. Best thing he ever wrote. Howe's best stuff and biggest breaks still seem to be Patriots centered. He just never felt like a real national guy, he's ALWAYS behind the Raps/Schefters but reports stuff anyway. I just don't see a seamless transition from local to national, the way we've seen Yates (people barely remember he was Pats scout and Pats beat with Reiss for a while), Kevin O'Connor and Zach Lowe (Celtics BLOGGERS who went national meaningfully through hustle and finding writing/talking niches), etc. Cancer treatments definitely took Howe out of the loop right as he was making the switch, which probably doesn't help. My ESPN+ is glitchy and I never got to read their Belichick post-mortem? What were the highlights from that, from those who read. |
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Post by costpet on Jan 14, 2024 16:54:12 GMT -5
Prediction: If GB beats the Cowboys today. BB will be coaching Dallas next year.
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Post by dfwsox on Jan 14, 2024 17:07:55 GMT -5
What are the chances the Patriots force a QB draft pick at #3? Thats my least preferred option and I keep seeing it in mocks. Im fine with them taking Daniels there from lsu if thats whats left. I love harrrison (wr) but we need a qb and not big on the options if we wait. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jan 14, 2024 17:09:30 GMT -5
Btw, I thought Jeff Howe was kind of a good beat guy when he was religiously charting all the QB throws at camp. He didn't really analyze, he reported. This reader dislikes the amateur analysts. Just report please. JH was solid. Since he's gotten promoted to National Insider it seems he strains to live up to the billing, regurgitating a lot of fluff. I doubt he has any sort of network. So I don't even read his column anymore. Funniest thing he wrote was during his training camps tour when he was always complaining about how rigorous his travel schedule was and he made the mistake of sharing this bit of information with a HC who apparently called him, in so many words, a part of a woman's anatomy. JH got all in his feelings about that too and expected the reader to share his outrage. Best thing he ever wrote. Howe's best stuff and biggest breaks still seem to be Patriots centered. He just never felt like a real national guy, he's ALWAYS behind the Raps/Schefters but reports stuff anyway. I just don't see a seamless transition from local to national, the way we've seen Yates (people barely remember he was Pats scout and Pats beat with Reiss for a while), Kevin O'Connor and Zach Lowe (Celtics BLOGGERS who went national meaningfully through hustle and finding writing/talking niches), etc. Cancer treatments definitely took Howe out of the loop right as he was making the switch, which probably doesn't help. My ESPN+ is glitchy and I never got to read their Belichick post-mortem? What were the highlights from that, from those who read. Kraft meddled. Bill rankled. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 15, 2024 9:41:10 GMT -5
Deadline today for underclassmen to declare and still no word from Caleb Williams. That would be quite the drama.
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Post by cdj on Jan 15, 2024 10:21:38 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 15, 2024 11:21:31 GMT -5
Maybe the Patriots should hire me as a scout/GM, I wouldn't have traded up Thornton and we could have Doubs right now.
You assume Bills sons follow him, but it might be a chance for Steve to get the credit he deserves. I hope he stays and he probably should, finally get out of his father's shadow. Anyone who wasn't Bills son would be getting interviews for HC jobs and likely have one by now. Every other coach who's done what he has with Patriots got a HC job. Also make Mayo job that much easier.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 15, 2024 11:24:50 GMT -5
Deadline today for underclassmen to declare and still no word from Caleb Williams. That would be quite the drama. Unless he goes back to college, biggest shock since what Payton Manning over 20 years ago? This might be a red flag, guys that are locks for a top pick don't do this. I might be starting to believe some of the stuff RJP was saying. |
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Post by rminns10 on Jan 15, 2024 11:45:13 GMT -5
I wonder if the USFL (or whatever it is now) makes him a godfather offer for 1 year.
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Post by cdj on Jan 15, 2024 11:58:23 GMT -5
Maybe the Patriots should hire me as a scout/GM, I wouldn't have traded up Thornton and we could have Doubs right now. You assume Bills sons follow him, but it might be a chance for Steve to get the credit he deserves. I hope he stays and he probably should, finally get out of his father's shadow. Anyone who wasn't Bills son would be getting interviews for HC jobs and likely have one by now. Every other coach who's done what he has with Patriots got a HC job. Also make Mayo job that much easier. Agreed. Fans treat Steve like he’s an undeserving nepo-baby but in reality he’s simply good at his job. You can tell the players really like him. Didn’t have his 2 best defenders for 3/4 of the year and still did great work- even had guys like Alex Austin and Marco Wilson playing at a high level at the end of the season |
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Post by mobaz on Jan 15, 2024 12:26:22 GMT -5
I'm... okay keeping Steve B.
I also keep coming back to the personnel guys that have left and succeeded (Licht, Caserio, Pioli was decent for a while, Jon Robinson in Tennessee where the owner might be crazy) and wonder if the Groh/Wolf combo might okay too with a little more say. We'll see. Still a lot of guys born on third base.
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Post by cdj on Jan 15, 2024 12:38:16 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 15, 2024 12:38:38 GMT -5
Mayo is interviewing Panthers outside linebackers coach for the defensive coordinator role.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 15, 2024 12:42:57 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-free-agent-rankings-free-agency#:~:text=2024%20NFL%20Free%20Agent%20Rankings%3A%20Top%20100%20players,Winfield%20Jr.%2C%20Tampa%20Bay%20Buccaneers%20...%20More%20items If those numbers are close, we can do a lot with our cap space! We better hope our new GM combo is ready, because this offseason either puts us back on track or we become like a lot of bad teams that spends years trying to get good. They have the money and draft picks to make things happen. No Bill likely means no Russell Wilson, but if that's what Baker Mayfield costs, that's crazy interesting. BTW, if you go Veteran QB, then a rookie to develop O'Brian is decent to Okay, you go young QB to start, we need a new OC. We could really use one no matter what.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 15, 2024 12:43:44 GMT -5
What are the chances the Patriots force a QB draft pick at #3? Thats my least preferred option and I keep seeing it in mocks. Im fine with them taking Daniels there from lsu if thats whats left. I love harrrison (wr) but we need a qb and not big on the options if we wait. They could always take a QB in round two who is more appropriate for their draft slot rather than drafting a guy third who many don’t believe is worth that high of a pick. |
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Post by rasimon on Jan 15, 2024 13:32:51 GMT -5
How does everyone feel about Nix? And could he make it to #34?
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Post by mobaz on Jan 15, 2024 14:23:57 GMT -5
How does everyone feel about Nix? And could he make it to #34? I've liked Penix's play better, though not in the Natty. Both had NFL WRs and great OLs, but Nix doesn't have the injury baggage. I'd be okay with him at 34 with MHJ if we find a way to build OL thru free agency. As for making it to 34, there are 16 teams with QB questions for this year or next [including Dallas and Miami given playoff baggage and contract deadlines and Arizona if they try to move Kyler]. There are 5 guys you feel you could make the playoffs with (adding Cousins and Mayfield to the above), two old feast or famine guys (Geno and Russ), and two developmental question marks (Fields and Levis). That still leaves 7 jobs WIDE OPEN in a game of musical chairs, which makes me think 34 is about the end of the road for the QBs given there are probably only 6 start-able options if you include McCarthy (which I hate to do). |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 15, 2024 14:33:58 GMT -5
Caleb has now declared.
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