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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 6, 2024 11:54:16 GMT -5
Hopefully he'll have no trouble catching "The plane! The plane!' and landing another job. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 6, 2024 12:47:03 GMT -5
What I would like to know is what did the Patriots consider the bag for pick #3? When Giants offered 6th and a future 1st, Vikings two firsts this year and a first next year, with a few mid round choices going to Vikings. That's much better than the 49ers offer moving from 12 to 3.
Not saying I would have traded #3, I wouldn't have. I just find it interesting they would have for the right price and I'm just interested in what that price actually was. I mean if it was 4 firsts and Addison from Vikings or something like that, they were never trading that pick! They put us through hell for nothing!
It was legit, Wolf talked about seeing if that offer came in on draft day.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2024 13:28:00 GMT -5
Apparently when they saw the coaches that wanted to come up for Maye (O’connell and Dabol) it only gave them more conviction so yeah I don’t think a trade was ever in the cards.
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Post by badfishnbc on May 6, 2024 13:35:31 GMT -5
I think the bag was only in play if Maye was off the board. The subterfuge around J.J. was likely a contingency to compel one of the teams that liked him to drop a big offer if their desired QB was not available.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 6, 2024 14:19:10 GMT -5
Shrine Bowl chief with some Patriots draftees scouting intel:
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 6, 2024 17:06:33 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary.
Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan.
I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 6, 2024 17:14:12 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary. Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan. I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me! I suppose you have to be prepared in the event Washington got cold feet on Daniels. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2024 17:21:17 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary. Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan. I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me! Joe Bazooka QB1? LFG |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 7, 2024 5:34:41 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary. Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan. I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me! You could easily be over thinking it. Go back to your original post, he probably just would have needed something absurd. Supposedly, Ditka offered the Bengals his entire 1999 draft plus 2 more future firsts and a future second to move up to number 3 from 12 to draft Ricky Williams. They turned it down to draft Akili Smith. |
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Post by texs31 on May 7, 2024 6:26:48 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 7, 2024 6:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on May 7, 2024 7:28:09 GMT -5
We knew he had a mystery illness but damn I was not expecting that! |
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Post by cdj on May 7, 2024 7:28:57 GMT -5
It will be incredibly stupid to hire anybody other than Wolf at this point. You don’t let an interim guy make the 3rd pick in the draft, run free agency, and pick out a bunch of staff |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 7, 2024 9:38:47 GMT -5
It will be incredibly stupid to hire anybody other than Wolf at this point. You don’t let an interim guy make the 3rd pick in the draft, run free agency, and pick out a bunch of staff It’s a fake process to comply with league rules |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2024 10:12:23 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary. Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan. I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me! I suppose you have to be prepared in the event Washington got cold feet on Daniels. I'm going by what Wolf said and that's not what he's saying. That's what I find so interesting. He went out of his way to say he liked all 3 QBs. He's literally saying I'd taking any of the top 3 QBs at #3 or make a trade if I got the bag he wanted. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2024 10:23:53 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary. Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan. I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me! You could easily be over thinking it. Go back to your original post, he probably just would have needed something absurd. Supposedly, Ditka offered the Bengals his entire 1999 draft plus 2 more future firsts and a future second to move up to number 3 from 12 to draft Ricky Williams. They turned it down to draft Akili Smith. That sounds absurd but if you devalue future first like most people do, that's basically equal to the Vikings offer of two firsts this year and a first next year, if not less. That's why I want to know what he really wanted because it's a trade value that has never happened before. So all this trade talk was basically for nothing. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 7, 2024 11:09:36 GMT -5
It will be incredibly stupid to hire anybody other than Wolf at this point. You don’t let an interim guy make the 3rd pick in the draft, run free agency, and pick out a bunch of staff It’s a fake process to comply with league rules But according to the article, they've already done that. At least in terms of the Rooney Rule. |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 7, 2024 11:31:20 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary. Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan. I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me! To be fair, I think his comment on the 3 QBs was a political one, he can’t just say they got the best one, that’s a career killer waiting to happen. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2024 12:03:07 GMT -5
It’s a fake process to comply with league rules But according to the article, they've already done that. At least in terms of the Rooney Rule. They are going to do the full process, not just the minimum to meet the NFL requirements. So they'll interview a full list of people and then name a GM, which most likely will be Wolf. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2024 12:08:09 GMT -5
Wolf also said he had known who would go in the top two for weeks. So according to Wolf it wasn't if Maye wasn't there. That's why I find this so interesting. He also said the team rated the top 3 QBs as all worth the #3 pick, which is scary. Especially given he took Milton over Pratt and Leary. Add in the vague reports about trading up and his comments about the first 3 rounds went 100% according to plan. I'd add that if Wold needed other GMs opinions on Maye, that scares the heck out of me! To be fair, I think his comment on the 3 QBs was a political one, he can’t just say they got the best one, that’s a career killer waiting to happen. Why? I mean he could have said we got our guy but liked the other two QBs. Instead he went out of his way to say they liked all 3 and would take all 3 at pick #3. He did what you’re saying career killer for his second and third round picks. I don't know maybe you're right but his wording was very exact and he could have said something much different and still been politically correct. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 7, 2024 12:35:18 GMT -5
But according to the article, they've already done that. At least in terms of the Rooney Rule. They are going to do the full process, not just the minimum to meet the NFL requirements. So they'll interview a full list of people and then name a GM, which most likely will be Wolf. I guess it's splitting hairs because I think they end up with Wolf, but I don't get why they wouldn't just announce Wolf or do a real interview process at the beginning of the off-season like every other team who hired a GM. It makes me a bit nervous that Wolf isn't their guy which then circles back to, why did you then let this guy make all your draft picks and run your off-season as well as make personnel decisions? It just seems so backwards either way. I would also suspect if Wolf doesn't get the job then he's not going to be here beyond the year. But I do suspect he'll get the job. It's just weird it seems like they're taking it seriously at this point. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 7, 2024 12:40:20 GMT -5
To be fair, I think his comment on the 3 QBs was a political one, he can’t just say they got the best one, that’s a career killer waiting to happen. Why? I mean he could have said we got our guy but liked the other two QBs. Instead he went out of his way to say they liked all 3 and would take all 3 at pick #3. He did what you’re saying career killer for his second and third round picks. I don't know maybe you're right but his wording was very exact and he could have said something much different and still been politically correct. Unless he was just blowing smoke about Daniels and was more open to make the Vikings trade or a smidgen more than what was offered, but was also fine taking the player. I think the interest in JJ was real but my guess is that hinged on Maye being gone and getting a very nice package of picks from the Vikings. Or maybe they just wanted to keep fans talking and keep buzz on the team during a slow off-season. If we knew they were taking Maye/Daniels this thread alone would probably have half the comments. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2024 13:56:51 GMT -5
They are going to do the full process, not just the minimum to meet the NFL requirements. So they'll interview a full list of people and then name a GM, which most likely will be Wolf. I guess it's splitting hairs because I think they end up with Wolf, but I don't get why they wouldn't just announce Wolf or do a real interview process at the beginning of the off-season like every other team who hired a GM. It makes me a bit nervous that Wolf isn't their guy which then circles back to, why did you then let this guy make all your draft picks and run your off-season as well as make personnel decisions? It just seems so backwards either way. I would also suspect if Wolf doesn't get the job then he's not going to be here beyond the year. But I do suspect he'll get the job. It's just weird it seems like they're taking it seriously at this point. Robert Kraft explained why in detail. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2024 14:06:29 GMT -5
Why? I mean he could have said we got our guy but liked the other two QBs. Instead he went out of his way to say they liked all 3 and would take all 3 at pick #3. He did what you’re saying career killer for his second and third round picks. I don't know maybe you're right but his wording was very exact and he could have said something much different and still been politically correct. Unless he was just blowing smoke about Daniels and was more open to make the Vikings trade or a smidgen more than what was offered, but was also fine taking the player. I think the interest in JJ was real but my guess is that hinged on Maye being gone and getting a very nice package of picks from the Vikings. Or maybe they just wanted to keep fans talking and keep buzz on the team during a slow off-season. If we knew they were taking Maye/Daniels this thread alone would probably have half the comments. Blowing smoke before the draft about certain players is something he should be doing. I have zero issues with that. As I said it's his comments after the draft. If you remember the smoke never came directly from him, it was sources say this, sources say that. Not telling the truth directly from our GM mouth isn't something he should be doing and certainly not for buzz. We just drafted Maye and the summer is filled with OTA and rookie camps. It's funny because I think this all proves the McCarthy crap was just blowing smoke. If he thought his value was top 3 like reports said, why wouldn't he trade down? |
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Post by mobaz on May 7, 2024 15:21:26 GMT -5
Giants with the Long Con, end up with the Patriots QB they REALLY wanted... |
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