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Post by rasimon on May 14, 2024 15:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on May 14, 2024 16:06:54 GMT -5
My gut is that Osborn doesn't make the team if he's only WR5. If there are injuries or the young guys (Polk, Baker, even Douglas) aren't picking up the offense, that's likely where he fits.
Yes - I know he's supposedly a great locker room guy but I think he'd be looking for a better opportunity elsewhere if WR5 (likely inactive??).
His fate rests with the health of the WR group and the development of the youngsters. IMO.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 14, 2024 19:38:56 GMT -5
Let’s hope so, I’m over the Cole Strange experiment.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 15, 2024 16:28:47 GMT -5
I think Cole Strange can be good if he stops getting injured. I do think our new OC system is better for him. At the same time, Strange as a super backup that can play both OG and center would be something if Robinson is that good.
PFF ranked Sow our most underrated player, top rated rookie OG, better on run blocking than pass blocking. So you see what they want, an OL that's very good at run blocking and has a good run game. Not surprising at all.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2024 19:45:54 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 16, 2024 6:36:43 GMT -5
Today's episode of, "stirring the pot"
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Post by cdj on May 16, 2024 7:07:18 GMT -5
They’re coasting in shorts. This is so dumb.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 16, 2024 8:13:01 GMT -5
I couldn't come up with a more dumb and useless take in regards to Maye if I tried. He might not work out but to say they already regret taking him is absurd.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 16, 2024 9:08:53 GMT -5
I couldn't come up with a more dumb and useless take in regards to Maye if I tried. He might not work out but to say they already regret taking him is absurd. Well this is the guy who shot himself in the junk (close enough) so not sure what you expect.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 16, 2024 9:54:32 GMT -5
I couldn't come up with a more dumb and useless take in regards to Maye if I tried. He might not work out but to say they already regret taking him is absurd. Also, I thought I read that the ACC was 5-0 against the SEC this year? You'd think Maye never worked out in front of the Patriots before or that there wasn't a ton of film on him. I guess nothing beats the first practice of their career in shorts.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 16, 2024 11:12:40 GMT -5
Mayo didn't say anything that isn't true for every rookie QB including Caleb Williams.
The key to next season win total is basically the OL, until we get to camp and preseason to see how that is it's almost impossible to say how good they are. D has the a decent chance of being real good if Mayo is really good. Another unknown because Mayo was never even a defensive coordinator. Add in rookie WR being such an important piece, we could be looking at a top 10 pick or battling for a playoff spot. Long-term having the top 10 pick would likely be better to finish off building this team.
Is it just me or do we need another RB?
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Post by mobaz on May 16, 2024 11:45:39 GMT -5
Mayo didn't say anything that isn't true for every rookie QB including Caleb Williams. The key to next season win total is basically the OL, until we get to camp and preseason to see how that is it's almost impossible to say how good they are. D has the a decent chance of being real good if Mayo is really good. Another unknown because Mayo was never even a defensive coordinator. Add in rookie WR being such an important piece, we could be looking at a top 10 pick or battling for a playoff spot. Long-term having the top 10 pick would likely be better to finish off building this team. Is it just me or do we need another RB?
I like Gibson a lot as a #2, but don't love our depth.
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Post by cdj on May 16, 2024 11:47:32 GMT -5
I’d like another back
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Post by cdj on May 16, 2024 12:27:09 GMT -5
David Andrews extension
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Post by texs31 on May 17, 2024 11:45:17 GMT -5
Mayo didn't say anything that isn't true for every rookie QB including Caleb Williams. The key to next season win total is basically the OL, until we get to camp and preseason to see how that is it's almost impossible to say how good they are. D has the a decent chance of being real good if Mayo is really good. Another unknown because Mayo was never even a defensive coordinator. Add in rookie WR being such an important piece, we could be looking at a top 10 pick or battling for a playoff spot. Long-term having the top 10 pick would likely be better to finish off building this team. Is it just me or do we need another RB?
I like Gibson a lot as a #2, but don't love our depth. If you consider how they are likely to be used, Gibson isn't even the #2 RB. He's the #1 3rd Down Back. That leaves Harris and the UDFA as the leading candidates. So, yeah. We need a guy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 17, 2024 12:47:14 GMT -5
I think Gibson is the most underrated pickup of the off-season. He's 220 pounds, runs a 4.39 and on the tape I watched can lower his head and get tough yards. He also looks like a WR when being used in the pass attack.
Van Pelt has used a bunch of systems, outside zone, wide zone and lately even gap running with man blocking. Still he use extra OL and two TE sets a ton, while last year being 2nd in league with 64% of their runs outside. Tons of OL being set in motion on pulls. In other words nothing that we are used to seeing. We've done some of that over the years, never even in the ballpark of 64% of all runs.
Yeah I want to see Gibson running in that offense. Most of the Washington tape I watched had him running inside. Stevenson should be fine with his juke. Also why I think the system fits Cole Strange perfectly, take advantage of him being highly athletic.
So my worry isn't with Gibson being #2, it's the pieces behind them for depth. Stevenson wore down in 2022 when Harris went down. Had some nagging injury last year and when finally healthy got injured and missed a bunch of games. Harris doesn't seen like a great fit for an outside running team and to be determined what Fenwick is. Not much information on a guy who was a career backup in college. So we really could use another guy to fight for that 3rd RB spot and then take those two and put them on the practice squad.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 18, 2024 6:22:39 GMT -5
The Patriots still have $50m in cap space. Will be less after signing draft picks but still significant. Should they use it or roll it over since they won’t contend? Even if they won’t contend shoring up the OL needs to be a top priority for a young QB.
Guys to consider for different reasons:
LT: Becton only 25, former Jets number 11 pick. Played most games of his career last season and was supposedly solid in pass protection. If you can bring him in on a low money prove it deal with incentives, it could be worth while. He’s young enough to be on your timeline and if the money is right you aren’t committed to him.
RB: can easily add a vet like Cook/Hunt/Akers if they wanted
DT: if we wanted to sure up the run D, they could try to add a vet like Campbell or Cox that could still shine in limited reps
Corner: bringing back Gilmore to be a mentor and number to for Gonzalez would make the defense a lot better.
Free safety: i still don’t think we have a real free safety and one of the best in football who also happens to be one of the best people in football is Justin Simmons. Would be a great role model for our young guys especially paired with Gilmore. Imagine the secondary we could role out with Gonzalez/Gilmore/Jones/Duggar/Peppers/Simmons.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2024 8:49:53 GMT -5
They drafted their young guy at LT.
You want LT help go with two proven veterans coming off injuries. DJ Humphries and Charles Leno Jr.
They really have like $10 million less, the only rookies to sign were late round picks.
Cook and Hunt were both horrible last year, Hunts 2nd bad year in a row. Akers tore his Achilles for the 2nd time in 3 years after getting traded because he wanted more playing time. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Cooks if I believed he'd be a good teammate as a #3 RB. I don't believe that. Probably looking to see what happens in camp and who gets cut.
I'm certainly not against Simmons and Gilmore for the right price. I just don't expect it. More like they give JC Jackson a camp invite.
They seem to be focusing on keeping the core together, figuring out what you actually have and then going hard next year adding the finishing details. Sure making the playoffs or being in contention most of the year would be fun. In reality the best course is another top ten pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 18, 2024 16:37:52 GMT -5
They drafted their young guy at LT. You want LT help go with two proven veterans coming off injuries. DJ Humphries and Charles Leno Jr. They really have like $10 million less, the only rookies to sign were late round picks. Cook and Hunt were both horrible last year, Hunts 2nd bad year in a row. Akers tore his Achilles for the 2nd time in 3 years after getting traded because he wanted more playing time. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Cooks if I believed he'd be a good teammate as a #3 RB. I don't believe that. Probably looking to see what happens in camp and who gets cut. I'm certainly not against Simmons and Gilmore for the right price. I just don't expect it. More like they give JC Jackson a camp invite. They seem to be focusing on keeping the core together, figuring out what you actually have and then going hard next year adding the finishing details. Sure making the playoffs or being in contention most of the year would be fun. In reality the best course is another top ten pick. We drafted a left tackle convert in the 3rd round. I like him, but I’d take a flyer on Becton if it’s super cheap. I’d want someone with upside that we can cut if it doesn’t work out or who we aren’t pressured to play because of contract. I really don’t expect them to do much of anything.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2024 17:38:44 GMT -5
Becton signed with Eagles like 3 weeks ago.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 18, 2024 20:01:04 GMT -5
Becton signed with Eagles a while back. Good luck to them.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 19, 2024 11:22:23 GMT -5
For those who advocate signing players to "front-loaded" contracts, here is Exhibit A why that is a bad idea:
From Mike Reiss's Sunday column:
Mike makes no mention of the 20M Judon got in Year One, a large part of which was bonus to be spread across the life of the contract, including this year.
The player gladly took the Year 1 overpay and now 3 years later likely feels cheated and mistreated, stoked by media articles and surely words from his agent.
Don't do it. Ever.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 19, 2024 11:57:36 GMT -5
Judon contract wasn't close to a front loaded deal, it was the opposite of that, a basic regular contract, with a very low cap hit in year one that was more than double in year two. The idea of front loading a contract is about the cap hits, not the money! Big cap hit year one, that then goes down. Almost every contract in the NFL has the player getting the most money in year one of the deal.
BTW the problem with Judons contract was he became a much better player on the Patriots than he was on the Ravens. Why they already did restructures to give him more money. This year he doesn't have any leverage after missing most of last year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 19, 2024 12:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 19, 2024 14:58:46 GMT -5
Becton signed with Eagles like 3 weeks ago. So much for those best remaining FA lists i looked at.
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