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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 23, 2024 12:01:54 GMT -5
Taylor Kyles of CLNS early 53 man roster www.clnsmedia.com/patriots-roster-projection-1-0-post-minicamp/QB: Maye, Brissett, Milton RB: Stevenson, Gibson, Hasty WR: Douglas, Baker, Polk, Reagor, Osborn, Boutte. IR/PUP Bourne TE: Henry, Hooper, Bell OT: Wallace, Okorafor, Anderson, Lowe IOL: DAndrews, Onwenu, Sow, Levrette, Robinson. IR/PUP Strange, JAndrews CB: Gonzalez, JJones, MJones, Austin, Bolden, Dial S: Dugger, Peppers, Mapu, Hawkins ILB: Bentley, Tavai, Takitaki, McMillan OLB/DPR: Uche, Jennings, Judon, Ximines DE: Wise, White DT: Barmore, Godchaeux, Watts, Ekuale, Pharms ST: Schooler, Cardona, Baringer, Slye I see a Top 5'ish Defense from 2023 returning their 2 best defensive players from injury (Wk. 4) and their nickel CB & Pro Bowl PR (Wk.2). I also see a mature professional starting QB with a talented rookie in reserve, a competent RB room and plenty enough talent in the WR room (WRs "getting open" was not the problem last year -- OL & QB play was). I think there is sufficient talent along the OL, but will they be healthy (Strange) and will they play well together? Looking forward to seeing how the new OL coach, with a 4-year tutorship under Bill Callahan, coaches this group. Key to the season (along with new HC Mayo), I think. I don't see a bad football team. Remember, the Patriots lost 9 one-score games in 2023. They were right there, but then Mac or Zappe threw a pick or a free rusher came loose, etc. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2024 13:51:46 GMT -5
Taylor Kyles of CLNS early 53 man roster www.clnsmedia.com/patriots-roster-projection-1-0-post-minicamp/QB: Maye, Brissett, Milton RB: Stevenson, Gibson, Hasty WR: Douglas, Baker, Polk, Reagor, Osborn, Boutte. IR/PUP Bourne TE: Henry, Hooper, Bell OT: Wallace, Okorafor, Anderson, Lowe IOL: DAndrews, Onwenu, Sow, Levrette, Robinson. IR/PUP Strange, JAndrews CB: Gonzalez, JJones, MJones, Austin, Bolden, Dial S: Dugger, Peppers, Mapu, Hawkins ILB: Bentley, Tavai, Takitaki, McMillan OLB/DPR: Uche, Jennings, Judon, Ximines DE: Wise, White DT: Barmore, Godchaeux, Watts, Ekuale, Pharms ST: Schooler, Cardona, Baringer, Slye I see a Top 5'ish Defense from 2023 returning their 2 best defensive players from injury (Wk. 4) and their nickel CB & Pro Bowl PR (Wk.2). I also see a mature professional starting QB with a talented rookie in reserve, a competent RB room and plenty enough talent in the WR room (WRs "getting open" was not the problem last year -- OL & QB play was). I think there is sufficient talent along the OL, but will they be healthy (Strange) and will they play well together? Looking forward to seeing how the new OL coach, with a 4-year tutorship under Bill Callahan, coaches this group. Key to the season (along with new HC Mayo), I think. I don't see a bad football team. Remember, the Patriots lost 9 one-score games in 2023. They were right there, but then Mac or Zappe threw a pick or a free rusher came loose, etc. Remember we had the greatest defense coach and best game planner ever in our building last year. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 23, 2024 14:50:24 GMT -5
& maybe the new HC learned something from him the last 15 years?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2024 15:19:28 GMT -5
I won't say I have zero worries, but given Mayo and most of the staff is back I don't expect so massive drop-off. If that happens then we should be worried about Mayo.
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Post by cdj on Jun 23, 2024 20:14:44 GMT -5
Yeah if they somehow are worse than last year that would be quite a bad look
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2024 12:54:42 GMT -5
Filed to ESPN (with @adamschefter): Patriots and LB Jahlani Tavai are in agreement on a 3-year extension. Maximum value of $21 million, with base value of $15 million, per sources.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2024 12:40:21 GMT -5
No talk about Patriots cash spending now? #1 in cap room by a mile and top 10 in cash spending. Crystal clear example how cash spending doesn't mean almost anything.
Boutte had 3 TD catches on the final practice of mini camp.
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Post by cdj on Jul 7, 2024 8:23:00 GMT -5
Rookie Khyree Jackson passed in a car accident. I remember him from the draft process, kinda wanted the Pats to look at him because of his size at corner
Tragic, RIP
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Post by mobaz on Jul 10, 2024 11:54:05 GMT -5
Seems like Giants were circling for someone at 3, guessing Maye.
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Post by rasimon on Jul 13, 2024 11:25:26 GMT -5
Greg Bedard came out with his 53 man roster. It was slightly different than Taylor Kyles
QB: Maye, Brissett, Milton
RB: Stevenson, Gibson, Fenwick - although he was very unsure on the last slot
WR: Douglas, Baker, Polk, Reagor, Osborn, Boutte. IR/PUP Bourne
TE: Henry, Hooper, Bell
OT: Wallace, Okorafor, Anderson, Lowe
IOL: DAndrews, Onwenu, Sow, Levrette, Robinson. IR/PUP Strange
CB: Gonzalez, JJones, MJones, Austin, Bolden, Dial
S: Dugger, Peppers, Mapu, Hawkins, Bledsoe
ILB: Bentley, Tavai, Takitaki, McMillan
OLB/DPR: Uche, Jennings, Judon
DE: Wise, White
DT: Barmore, Godchaux, Watts, Ekuale, Roberts
ST: Schooler, Cardona, Baringer, Slye
He also said both Judon and Godchaux are playing hardball and won't play without modified contracts. If Judon wants a few extra $mm this year or possibly a one-year extension, I would be ok with that. I would not modify Godchaux's contract. He is overpaid as is. "That's your contract. You can play or sit. If you want to shop yourself around for a trade, be our guest. We want a 3rd round pick."
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2024 16:28:53 GMT -5
I'd like to workout a long-term deal with Judon. He's such a crazy important piece, but given how they've thrown money around and reports say they aren't close. It's like he wants a contract like he's a free agent coming off a monster year. Still would like to see him get locked up for years.
Godchaux is basically the DT version of Jennings, but never rates as elite like Jennings did last year. Look what Jennings got for a contract! I don't even care about a trade, play or I'm cutting you! We could use more youth on DL and it's likely better to pair a young player with Watts.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2024 11:28:59 GMT -5
Charges against Boutte were dropped.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 16, 2024 12:20:53 GMT -5
Aiyuk requested a trade. Is he really a true number 1 like we need or is he more like a high end number 2?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 16, 2024 12:21:56 GMT -5
I'd like to workout a long-term deal with Judon. He's such a crazy important piece, but given how they've thrown money around and reports say they aren't close. It's like he wants a contract like he's a free agent coming off a monster year. Still would like to see him get locked up for years. Godchaux is basically the DT version of Jennings, but never rates as elite like Jennings did last year. Look what Jennings got for a contract! I don't even care about a trade, play or I'm cutting you! We could use more youth on DL and it's likely better to pair a young player with Watts. I can’t imagine Judons contract wants are reasonable if they haven’t worked anything out yet. 3 years at 14m per should be his market and they should give it to him, but I’m guessing he’s looking for a lot more than that. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2024 12:23:27 GMT -5
Aiyuk requested a trade. Is he really a true number 1 like we need or is he more like a high end number 2? Imo he’s a legit #1 here. Offense all of a sudden looks really good if they add him- it would help everybody else slot in properly |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2024 20:54:43 GMT -5
I'd like to workout a long-term deal with Judon. He's such a crazy important piece, but given how they've thrown money around and reports say they aren't close. It's like he wants a contract like he's a free agent coming off a monster year. Still would like to see him get locked up for years. Godchaux is basically the DT version of Jennings, but never rates as elite like Jennings did last year. Look what Jennings got for a contract! I don't even care about a trade, play or I'm cutting you! We could use more youth on DL and it's likely better to pair a young player with Watts. I can’t imagine Judons contract wants are reasonable if they haven’t worked anything out yet. 3 years at 14m per should be his market and they should give it to him, but I’m guessing he’s looking for a lot more than that. That's basically what he signed for 3 years ago before he became a crazy elite pass rusher, so why should that be his market? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2024 20:59:13 GMT -5
Aiyuk is a darn good receiver, the real question is what do you want out of your WR #1? Also what's the cost and what type of contract does it take?
One thing worrying me is Van Pelt talking about only using two WRs a lot of the time. I think that is something we need to look at. I don't like hearing that in today's NFL and it goes against the best thing about our WR group, depth.
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2024 21:13:11 GMT -5
Aiyuk is a darn good receiver, the real question is what do you want out of your WR #1? Also what's the cost and what type of contract does it take? One thing worrying me is Van Pelt talking about only using two WRs a lot of the time. I think that is something we need to look at. I don't like hearing that in today's NFL and it goes against the best thing about our WR group, depth. I don’t think we have the TE depth to do that |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 16, 2024 21:45:15 GMT -5
If aiyuk does get dealt I don't see it happening until next offseason after they franchise him. The 9ers are in their SB window now, I don't see them dealing one of their best weapons for a 2025 draft pick which is likely what they'd get back.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2024 23:31:31 GMT -5
Aiyuk is a darn good receiver, the real question is what do you want out of your WR #1? Also what's the cost and what type of contract does it take? One thing worrying me is Van Pelt talking about only using two WRs a lot of the time. I think that is something we need to look at. I don't like hearing that in today's NFL and it goes against the best thing about our WR group, depth. I don’t think we have the TE depth to do that Last two years Browns were top in NFL using 6 or more OL for about 11% of their plays and two TEs for about 25% of the plays. It's a zone based running attack, nothing like Patriots usual power running attack. Lots of OL pulling and TE going to 2nd level to block. WR blocking is big. Run game sets up play action pass, yet big plays pushing the ball down the field. Why you hear certain people talk about Bell, not a good in-line blocker, but good at blocking in space. I'm sure they change some things, but I also think it's safe to say the offense will be totally different than anything we've seen in a long time. TE blocking looks to be 2nd level on the move, jumbo packages are extra OL, not blocking TEs. I'm excited we needed a change with no Brady. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2024 8:53:56 GMT -5
I can’t imagine Judons contract wants are reasonable if they haven’t worked anything out yet. 3 years at 14m per should be his market and they should give it to him, but I’m guessing he’s looking for a lot more than that. That's basically what he signed for 3 years ago before he became a crazy elite pass rusher, so why should that be his market? Might have something to do with him being 3 years older coming off a major injury. Dude is about to turn 32. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2024 9:39:58 GMT -5
Aiyuk requested a trade. Is he really a true number 1 like we need or is he more like a high end number 2? Imo he’s a legit #1 here. Offense all of a sudden looks really good if they add him- it would help everybody else slot in properly How can someone be a legit number 1 in one place and not another. Only argument i can see is fit in an offense but that doesn’t seem to be what you’re referencing here |
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Post by cdj on Jul 17, 2024 9:46:48 GMT -5
Imo he’s a legit #1 here. Offense all of a sudden looks really good if they add him- it would help everybody else slot in properly How can someone be a legit number 1 in one place and not another. Only argument i can see is fit in an offense but that doesn’t seem to be what you’re referencing here He’s a legit #1 in SF too, I’d rather have him than Deebo. It would just be more clear cut here in NE, he’s not competing with Kittle/Samuel/McCaffrey for touches |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2024 11:02:35 GMT -5
That's basically what he signed for 3 years ago before he became a crazy elite pass rusher, so why should that be his market? Might have something to do with him being 3 years older coming off a major injury. Dude is about to turn 32. Bryce Huff just signed a 3 year deal at over $17 million a year for 3 years. That's the 17th most per season for an edge guy, 14 million is 21st. Franchise tag is going to be well north of $20 million, closer to $30 million. Top of the market is $34 million a year. Are we worried about a torn bicep long-term? I'd be topping my offer out around 3 years at $17.5 million. I want to go for it under Mayes rookie deal and Judon is such a key piece to this team. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2024 13:32:49 GMT -5
Might have something to do with him being 3 years older coming off a major injury. Dude is about to turn 32. Bryce Huff just signed a 3 year deal at over $17 million a year for 3 years. That's the 17th most per season for an edge guy, 14 million is 21st. Franchise tag is going to be well north of $20 million, closer to $30 million. Top of the market is $34 million a year. Are we worried about a torn bicep long-term? I'd be topping my offer out around 3 years at $17.5 million. I want to go for it under Mayes rookie deal and Judon is such a key piece to this team. Bryce Huff is 26… am I worried about a torn bicep long term? No but I’m worried about an old guy (by nfl standards) body breaking down. What are recent contract equivalents for a 32 year old edge rusher? |
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