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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2024 3:43:05 GMT -5
I must know what the yellow on Joe Milton means Means “draft him and put him in random Hail Mary downs”. I know that umass doesn’t agree with me, but play into his nickname. Let him bazooka the ball real far. No means holy grail boom or bust pick, with option to change positions. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2024 5:43:49 GMT -5
I’d like Judon back too and I’ll admit the 3 x 14 is way too low that, I mentioned before, but unless we know what his demands are or what the team is willing to do, it’s hard to put much blame any where at this point. I’m not doing one is those 5 year over 100m deals with 70% of it guaranteed (or whatever the top of the market is), but it is true that he’s got to get up to close to $20m a year to be in the top 15 of edge rushers.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 1, 2024 6:46:16 GMT -5
I would imagine that is the case or he’d probably be signed. They played well without him last year and he’s 32. I don’t really want to extend him for years/huge money, especially since he might be the difference between us winning 3 games or 5 games. Ship him out to a contender for a mid round pick and move on from the distraction Go on X and you can see him playing, like him intercepting Drake Maye in practice last week. He literally went out and proved he's healthy. Per reports I'm seeing they've offered to redo his deal this year. He wants an extension, pay the man, he's likely our best player! What else are we spending the crazy money we have on? Players like Godchaux? I don't get paying everyone else and not him. I don't agree about 3 and 5 wins. Again I'll add unless he wants something crazy. Patriots have leverage, do a 3 year extension, with an out after two years. I really can't believe so many people just want to let a player the Caliber of Judon leave for a mid round pick. Unfortunately, my link didn't embed, but Judon on X called people liars and said the extension offer was just another attempt to make him look bad. |
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Post by costpet on Aug 1, 2024 8:11:24 GMT -5
It doesn't look like we're going to be very good this year. So, paying Judon big money makes no sense. Instead, use him as trade bait to a team that thinks all they need is a great pass rusher and get a really good LT in return. So far our offense is going no where without good protection. We did okay on defense last year while Judon was hurt, so the defense won't suffer too much without him. The defense might suffer a little, but without a better offense, it's a top 3 draft pick again next year.
After 20 years of a great offense and defense, it sure feels depressing to see what Bill left us. He was a great coach, but not so much on drafting. That's what killed us. We're not even average anymore. Blah.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 1, 2024 10:25:44 GMT -5
I'm tired of losing and tired of not having good players. He's a good player, and I want to try to win. Keep him if he'll play this year! Try for a wildcard, see what happens.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2024 10:34:19 GMT -5
It doesn't look like we're going to be very good this year. So, paying Judon big money makes no sense. Instead, use him as trade bait to a team that thinks all they need is a great pass rusher and get a really good LT in return. So far our offense is going no where without good protection. We did okay on defense last year while Judon was hurt, so the defense won't suffer too much without him. The defense might suffer a little, but without a better offense, it's a top 3 draft pick again next year. After 20 years of a great offense and defense, it sure feels depressing to see what Bill left us. He was a great coach, but not so much on drafting. That's what killed us. We're not even average anymore. Blah. If you look at he totality of Bills drafting he was very good. When you have a 20 year run at something where the hit rates are low, you’re going to have stretches of years where it’s not successful, but you don’t have a 20 year run with tons of home drafted players being keys by being a bad drafter. That narrative is just absurd. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2024 10:42:20 GMT -5
In the NFL, even if you’re losing, it’s important to be competitive and have a good culture. Having a guy like Judon can help with that and is worth a lot of money. If I were going to sign him, I’d keep the signing bonus lower and the salary guarantees higher so we aren’t doing this all the time.
Also, let’s stop assuming the defense is great and can function well without a guy like Judon, because they did last year. We literally just lost the greatest defensive mind football has ever known and the best in game adjustment person. On top of that we lost his son who was the play caller. The other guy who was part of that is now our head coach and not just a defensive coach. People are completely over looking this potential impact. Maybe Covington will be a great DC, but we have no clue at this point.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2024 13:02:36 GMT -5
Go on X and you can see him playing, like him intercepting Drake Maye in practice last week. He literally went out and proved he's healthy. Per reports I'm seeing they've offered to redo his deal this year. He wants an extension, pay the man, he's likely our best player! What else are we spending the crazy money we have on? Players like Godchaux? I don't get paying everyone else and not him. I don't agree about 3 and 5 wins. Again I'll add unless he wants something crazy. Patriots have leverage, do a 3 year extension, with an out after two years. I really can't believe so many people just want to let a player the Caliber of Judon leave for a mid round pick. Unfortunately, my link didn't embed, but Judon on X called people liars and said the extension offer was just another attempt to make him look bad. Sport reporters actually did some work after those comments and proved Judon 100% right, he hasn't been offered an extension, just to redo his current deal. Hence why he's upset, given literally everyone else on an expiring deal has gotten an extension. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2024 13:20:18 GMT -5
I’d like Judon back too and I’ll admit the 3 x 14 is way too low that, I mentioned before, but unless we know what his demands are or what the team is willing to do, it’s hard to put much blame any where at this point. I’m not doing one is those 5 year over 100m deals with 70% of it guaranteed (or whatever the top of the market is), but it is true that he’s got to get up to close to $20m a year to be in the top 15 of edge rushers. Per reports no extension offer, just to redo his current deal. Judon is upset because they haven't even made an offer. Lots of different ways to extend him and protect the team long-term. Make the offer, even if it's your $14 million a year, then with incentives tied to games played and sacks. I can fully get behind moving on if he wants 5 year 100 million with 75 million guaranteed. We just don't know because he wants an actual extension and they are just talking to him about a little bit more this year. $14 million a year for 3 years, 70% guaranteed. One million pro bowl bonus, game played bonuses, then say $4 million for 10 sacks, the 250k for each sack over that. Gives him the chance to make $20 million only if he's prime Judon starting next year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2024 13:35:03 GMT -5
It doesn't look like we're going to be very good this year. So, paying Judon big money makes no sense. Instead, use him as trade bait to a team that thinks all they need is a great pass rusher and get a really good LT in return. So far our offense is going no where without good protection. We did okay on defense last year while Judon was hurt, so the defense won't suffer too much without him. The defense might suffer a little, but without a better offense, it's a top 3 draft pick again next year. After 20 years of a great offense and defense, it sure feels depressing to see what Bill left us. He was a great coach, but not so much on drafting. That's what killed us. We're not even average anymore. Blah. Which team would want to trade for Judon, while trading us a really good LT? BTW per X, the rookie Wallace has been starting at LT for the last 4 practices. Last years team had to have most things go wrong to win a few games! They were in most games losing top two defenders early in season, plus at one point top 3 CBs. Mac Jones was absolutely horrible, he's now doing the same crap on Jaguars. Then when he was replaced half the offense got injured. This team's talent level is so much better than some people are claiming. The OL could be an issue. We don't know how good Mayo will be or Covington. We do know Baker is blowing up in camp, Polk keeps making big plays and Douglas hasn't even done much because of an injury. Last practice multiple 20 yard TDs on our D from Brissett. Running game is coming and going as they learn a completely new system. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 2, 2024 13:26:09 GMT -5
You have to like reports on Polk, Baker, Douglas, Boutte and even Thornton so far. Today's 2 minute drills were the first four, yesterday reports saying Thornton beat Gonzales on multiple plays. Doesn't look good for the veterans so far.
Wallace after 4 straight practices of being top LT, was #2 today. Let's hope that's more of giving other guys a chance to evaluate them type thing.
Not hearing Onwenu at RT, so it does seem RG it is.
Anderson backup RT was horrible.
Stevenson loves the new system and that isn't a surprise, it's perfect for the way he runs.
White has been a beast, some people even saying best player in camp so far. Impactful every practice and most plays.
Judon back at practice.
So still seems to all come down to that OL and it's already way different than what we thought it would be.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 2, 2024 16:02:07 GMT -5
You have to like reports on Polk, Baker, Douglas, Boutte and even Thornton so far. Today's 2 minute drills were the first four, yesterday reports saying Thornton beat Gonzales on multiple plays. Doesn't look good for the veterans so far. Wallace after 4 straight practices of being top LT, was #2 today. Let's hope that's more of giving other guys a chance to evaluate them type thing. Not hearing Onwenu at RT, so it does seem RG it is. Anderson backup RT was horrible. Stevenson loves the new system and that isn't a surprise, it's perfect for the way he runs. White has been a beast, some people even saying best player in camp so far. Impactful every practice and most plays. Judon back at practice. So still seems to all come down to that OL and it's already way different than what we thought it would be. Lots of good reports on Robinson at LG. |
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Post by rasimon on Aug 2, 2024 18:26:35 GMT -5
Signed DT Mike Purcell - veteran NT. Poor 2023 but was ok in 21 and 22.
Released OT Tyrone Wheatley Jr - Pats acquired him last year in trade for Pierre Strong. He never played, which tells you how much they thought of him considering how bad the line was last year.
Signed OT Kellen Deisch - 6'7 300lbs. udfa 2022 out of AZ St. Pffs in 2021 Pass 89.4 Zone 90.2 Gap 67.5. Very good combine. 40yd 10yd vert broad and 20yd shuttle were all > 85th pct. Has not played at all in the pros. I think the concern around him was light anchor. Also very short arms.
Released RB Deshuan Fenwick - udfa. Dont think he ever got on the field.
Signed S AJ Thomas - udfa 2022. College career at W Mich was unremarkable. Had a few snaps with the Bears in 2022 and 2023
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 2, 2024 21:55:58 GMT -5
Did you guys see the NFL ranking of best players for 2024-25? Mahomes was 4th, CMAC was 3rd. Anyone who believes Lamar and Hill are better than Mahomes and CMAC are absolutely watching the wrong sport, what happened to the game I love?
Real rankings:
1- Mahomes
2- CMAC
3- Bazooka Joe
4- Blaze Jordan
5- Micah Parsons
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Post by mobaz on Aug 2, 2024 22:05:17 GMT -5
Ja'Marr Chase was 45. Justin Jefferson 18. That's when I gave up
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2024 8:52:55 GMT -5
Judon extension talks being delayed may make sense if they’re waiting on an Aiyuk trade and extension. Browns and Pats are offering over $30 mill apparently
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 3, 2024 10:08:50 GMT -5
Did you guys see the NFL ranking of best players for 2024-25? Mahomes was 4th, CMAC was 3rd. Anyone who believes Lamar and Hill are better than Mahomes and CMAC are absolutely watching the wrong sport, what happened to the game I love? Real rankings: 1- Mahomes 2- CMAC 3- Bazooka Joe 4- Blaze Jordan 5- Micah Parsons You can debate a lot of things, the one thing you can't debate is Mahomes is #1 by a mile. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 3, 2024 10:14:42 GMT -5
Judon extension talks being delayed may make sense if they’re waiting on an Aiyuk trade and extension. Browns and Pats are offering over $30 mill apparently I'm confused, that makes it sound like he's a free agent and best contract gets him. How can anyone be offering anything to a guy under contract? Isn't the real discussion who's offering what in trade to 49ers? I'm so torn, he's a great WR, but at the same time we haven't had a group of young WRs like this maybe ever. If you are doing that trade, keeping Judon is a must. That's a why want to make or at minimum really try to make the playoffs trade. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2024 12:19:09 GMT -5
Judon extension talks being delayed may make sense if they’re waiting on an Aiyuk trade and extension. Browns and Pats are offering over $30 mill apparently I'm confused, that makes it sound like he's a free agent and best contract gets him. How can anyone be offering anything to a guy under contract? Isn't the real discussion who's offering what in trade to 49ers? I'm so torn, he's a great WR, but at the same time we haven't had a group of young WRs like this maybe ever. If you are doing that trade, keeping Judon is a must. That's a why want to make or at minimum really try to make the playoffs trade. I’d imagine the Niners might be letting his agent negotiate with other teams if that’s the reporting? Idk. i Def wouldn’t give a 1st for him |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2024 12:20:43 GMT -5
Judon extension talks being delayed may make sense if they’re waiting on an Aiyuk trade and extension. Browns and Pats are offering over $30 mill apparently I'm confused, that makes it sound like he's a free agent and best contract gets him. How can anyone be offering anything to a guy under contract? Isn't the real discussion who's offering what in trade to 49ers? I'm so torn, he's a great WR, but at the same time we haven't had a group of young WRs like this maybe ever. If you are doing that trade, keeping Judon is a must. That's a why want to make or at minimum really try to make the playoffs trade. It’s not uncommon for teams to grant an agent permission to negotiate a new contract with another team prior to a trade. Then they tell the team who they’d sign with and the team sees is they can make a deal with one is those teams. They do this because they know they can’t/wont sign the player and it will maximize the trade return when the acquiring team knows the player isn’t a rental. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 4, 2024 1:05:40 GMT -5
I'm confused, that makes it sound like he's a free agent and best contract gets him. How can anyone be offering anything to a guy under contract? Isn't the real discussion who's offering what in trade to 49ers? I'm so torn, he's a great WR, but at the same time we haven't had a group of young WRs like this maybe ever. If you are doing that trade, keeping Judon is a must. That's a why want to make or at minimum really try to make the playoffs trade. It’s not uncommon for teams to grant an agent permission to negotiate a new contract with another team prior to a trade. Then they tell the team who they’d sign with and the team sees is they can make a deal with one is those teams. They do this because they know they can’t/wont sign the player and it will maximize the trade return when the acquiring team knows the player isn’t a rental. Sure with one team as part of a trade agreement, not the whole league before a trade agreement is made. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 4, 2024 1:12:11 GMT -5
I'm confused, that makes it sound like he's a free agent and best contract gets him. How can anyone be offering anything to a guy under contract? Isn't the real discussion who's offering what in trade to 49ers? I'm so torn, he's a great WR, but at the same time we haven't had a group of young WRs like this maybe ever. If you are doing that trade, keeping Judon is a must. That's a why want to make or at minimum really try to make the playoffs trade. I’d imagine the Niners might be letting his agent negotiate with other teams if that’s the reporting? Idk. i Def wouldn’t give a 1st for him Who knows, but I question that report. Maybe it's legit, that's certainly not the normal way these trades usually happen. It's agree to deal that gives you a window to negotiate a new contract. Well if it's legit I do fear it's likely a first and more. Price of a rental is much less than price of a non rental. If 49ers are really allowing this, it's to maximize the return. Also if they are really doing this, get it done ASAP. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 4, 2024 6:30:03 GMT -5
It’s not uncommon for teams to grant an agent permission to negotiate a new contract with another team prior to a trade. Then they tell the team who they’d sign with and the team sees is they can make a deal with one is those teams. They do this because they know they can’t/wont sign the player and it will maximize the trade return when the acquiring team knows the player isn’t a rental. Sure with one team as part of a trade agreement, not the whole league before a trade agreement is made. I disagree, it happens both ways. This is what is happening when a team tells an agent “go out and find a deal”, then the team finalizes it. The team has zero to lose if they’ve already moved on from a player. San Fran can either keep him for the last year and try to win a chip or find a good deal for him. Worst case, they find his true market value out there. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 4, 2024 11:43:25 GMT -5
Sure with one team as part of a trade agreement, not the whole league before a trade agreement is made. I disagree, it happens both ways. This is what is happening when a team tells an agent “go out and find a deal”, then the team finalizes it. The team has zero to lose if they’ve already moved on from a player. San Fran can either keep him for the last year and try to win a chip or find a good deal for him. Worst case, they find his true market value out there. Per ESPN Jeremy Fowler that report is pure BS. Teams rarely do that and when they do it's for a hard to trade players, it's also announced the minute it happens because it's known information as agent talks to teams. So you never get what that report claimed, I've never seen anything like that before. It's like I tell my wife, you better know the sources of information you get off social media and only trust known sources. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 4, 2024 17:17:09 GMT -5
I disagree, it happens both ways. This is what is happening when a team tells an agent “go out and find a deal”, then the team finalizes it. The team has zero to lose if they’ve already moved on from a player. San Fran can either keep him for the last year and try to win a chip or find a good deal for him. Worst case, they find his true market value out there. Per ESPN Jeremy Fowler that report is pure BS. Teams rarely do that and when they do it's for a hard to trade players, it's also announced the minute it happens because it's known information as agent talks to teams. So you never get what that report claimed, I've never seen anything like that before. It's like I tell my wife, you better know the sources of information you get off social media and only trust known sources. I never claimed the reports are true, just that teams give agents permission to seek trade partners. Happens quite a bit in sports. |
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