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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 9, 2024 13:11:07 GMT -5
Dan Orlovsky with some excellent tape review of Drake Maye's debut:
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 9, 2024 13:11:18 GMT -5
Wow, it's not like Zappe played bad! Had multiple drops because of rain, center fumbled a snap, likely reasons he was playing. I really don't get the hate and the little things he does are good for the rookies. If you really like Joe Milton did you really want him playing early against the Panthers better players or later against lesser ones? We got to see unfortunately some Baker rounding routes and not adjusting on another. Keep playing him, the talent is clearly there. Defense was as I expected and the Panthers likely aren't going to be good yet again. It doesn’t matter if Zappe is “bad”, we know what he is and that’s not a starter in the NFL. This squad is looking for their next QB so keeping him makes very little sense with Maye and Milton. Unless, you think Milton would make the practice squad. I wouldn’t want to take that risk… I’d rather see if Zappe makes it to there. Zappe on the practice squad would be the best outcome. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 9, 2024 13:11:57 GMT -5
Smith-Schuster has been cut I wonder how many WRs they keep this year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 9, 2024 13:23:41 GMT -5
Wow, it's not like Zappe played bad! Had multiple drops because of rain, center fumbled a snap, likely reasons he was playing. I really don't get the hate and the little things he does are good for the rookies. If you really like Joe Milton did you really want him playing early against the Panthers better players or later against lesser ones? We got to see unfortunately some Baker rounding routes and not adjusting on another. Keep playing him, the talent is clearly there. Defense was as I expected and the Panthers likely aren't going to be good yet again. It doesn’t matter if Zappe is “bad”, we know what he is and that’s not a starter in the NFL. This squad is looking for their next QB so keeping him makes very little sense with Maye and Milton. Unless, you think Milton would make the practice squad. I wouldn’t want to take that risk… I’d rather see if Zappe makes it to there. Zappe on the practice squad would be the best outcome. I don't disagree about Zappe to practice squad and no I don't think Milton makes it. I just don't see how any of that changes what I said. Not risking injury and bad play in bad weather with your top two, then letting Milton play against scrubs on one of the least talented teams in the league with a ton of guys out. Worked perfectly, Milton gets confidence because the unlikely to make team WR was open by 5 yards. Now we legit have people saying we can get a third for him lol. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 9, 2024 13:29:52 GMT -5
Game time starts and guess what Thornton and Reagor do what they usually do,not much.
For me you have five locks, with Bourne being injured. Douglas, Polk, Baker and Boutte. How many they keep is anyone guess, looks like a big fight for one or two spots.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 9, 2024 13:44:55 GMT -5
Game time starts and guess what Thornton and Reagor do what they usually do,not much. For me you have five locks, with Bourne being injured. Douglas, Polk, Baker and Boutte. How many they keep is anyone guess, looks like a big fight for one or two spots. Reiss at one point made it sound like Osborne is a Pro's Pro and looking good in practice so they'd keep him for that influence. Don't hate it. I've seen enough Reagor, and seen zero Thornton because that's his game experience. |
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 9, 2024 15:17:03 GMT -5
Drafting Thornton in the 2nd round and letting Jakobi Meyers walk to sign a busted Juju were always terrible, terrible decisions. Wtf Bill, glad he isn’t around to evaluate WR talent anymore
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 9, 2024 15:18:59 GMT -5
Smith-Schuster has been cut Unleash Polk and Baker developing these guys should be a high priority this season. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 9, 2024 15:30:14 GMT -5
Game time starts and guess what Thornton and Reagor do what they usually do,not much. For me you have five locks, with Bourne being injured. Douglas, Polk, Baker and Boutte. How many they keep is anyone guess, looks like a big fight for one or two spots. Reiss at one point made it sound like Osborne is a Pro's Pro and looking good in practice so they'd keep him for that influence. Don't hate it. I've seen enough Reagor, and seen zero Thornton because that's his game experience. If I had to guess right now I'd say Osborne, they signed him and zero veterans till Bourne is ready, so yeah you can use his veteran presence and experience for the young guys. I just haven't seen much on him all training camp, good or bad. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2024 15:30:41 GMT -5
So, either JuJu's knees aren't good and continue to be not good or he's simply not a good player. I think physically he's cooked. That's a lot of dead money to just eat.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 9, 2024 16:59:13 GMT -5
JT O'Sullivan breaks down Joe Milton game film:
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Post by philarhody on Aug 9, 2024 20:55:34 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why the fiving luck Juju Smith Schuster was Drake Maye’s starting X yesterday? People whined that Belichick stonewalled the media. At least he wasn’t dishonest.
Mayo is terrified of Maye succeeding early. Because then there is immediate pressure. And he’s lying through his teeth to prevent his early success. If Maye lit it up yesterday, the pressure for him to start would be enormous. It feels like Mayo is purposefully holding Drake back. That’s my two cents.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2024 21:18:36 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why the fiving luck Juju Smith Schuster was Drake Maye’s starting X yesterday? People whined that Belichick stonewalled the media. At least he wasn’t dishonest. Mayo is terrified of Maye succeeding early. Because then there is immediate pressure. And he’s lying through his teeth to prevent his early success. If Maye lit it up yesterday, the pressure for him to start would be enormous. It feels like Mayo is purposefully holding Drake back. That’s my two cents. Or Mayo is terrified that Maye's footwork is still a mess and panicks when the pocket starts collapsing and doesn't want to have to have to put unnecessary pressure and angst on the player and the staff. Not saying he sucks, but if he looked bad then there's just an avalanche of nonsense that would follow. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 9, 2024 21:53:06 GMT -5
Or Mayo is terrified that Maye's footwork is still a mess and panicks when the pocket starts collapsing and doesn't want to have to have to put unnecessary pressure and angst on the player and the staff. Not saying he sucks, but if he looked bad then there's just an avalanche of nonsense that would follow. His footwork isn't that bad, his throwing mechanics were kind of wonky, but Maye isn't a longterm project. He shouldn't start the year as the starting QB, but he should be ready by midseason. I know I sound like a broken record on this, but Maye reminds me so much of Justin Herbert, the throwing mechanics are VERY similar for college players and they both can air it out like maniacs. Maye needs to work on processing the field and avoiding sacks, but there's nothing fundamentally broken. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2024 22:09:03 GMT -5
Or Mayo is terrified that Maye's footwork is still a mess and panicks when the pocket starts collapsing and doesn't want to have to have to put unnecessary pressure and angst on the player and the staff. Not saying he sucks, but if he looked bad then there's just an avalanche of nonsense that would follow. His footwork isn't that bad, his throwing mechanics were kind of wonky, but Maye isn't a longterm project. He shouldn't start the year as the starting QB, but he should be ready by midseason. I know I sound like a broken record on this, but Maye reminds me so much of Justin Herbert, the throwing mechanics are VERY similar for college players and they both can air it out like maniacs. Maye needs to work on processing the field and avoiding sacks, but there's nothing fundamentally broken. I want to stress I'm super high on him. I think he's just really young and the report on him is that his footwork needs work. He probably needs to grow and mature a bit more as well. With that said, my point is more that they also likely didn't want to have to deal with the fallout of people freaking out after the first preseason game of his career. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 9, 2024 23:30:14 GMT -5
His footwork isn't that bad, his throwing mechanics were kind of wonky, but Maye isn't a longterm project. He shouldn't start the year as the starting QB, but he should be ready by midseason. I know I sound like a broken record on this, but Maye reminds me so much of Justin Herbert, the throwing mechanics are VERY similar for college players and they both can air it out like maniacs. Maye needs to work on processing the field and avoiding sacks, but there's nothing fundamentally broken. I want to stress I'm super high on him. I think he's just really young and the report on him is that his footwork needs work. He probably needs to grow and mature a bit more as well. With that said, my point is more that they also likely didn't want to have to deal with the fallout of people freaking out after the first preseason game of his career. Oh I get it friend, I didn't mean to sound like you were down on him. This is probably Mayo trying to figure out if he should carry Zappe or BAZOOKA as the third string QB. But I just wanted to point out that Maye isn't that far along. He could start in games THIS YEAR and be aight. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2024 0:31:55 GMT -5
Maye isn't close to what some in the media claim he is and Mayo is holding him back, 2nd line OL every practice. Fine with it, you don't want to be forced to play him before he's ready. Biggest reason is two years only starting in College, so don't rush him. When he's ready, that 2nd unit will start to look good. Then you know!
Actually think Mayo doing this is 100% a great coaching job so far, but I also believe it comes from above. Baby steps, first series was basically two screen passes with runs. You figure out offense before you unleash Maye and you make him earn it 100%.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 10, 2024 15:04:31 GMT -5
Game time starts and guess what Thornton and Reagor do what they usually do,not much. For me you have five locks, with Bourne being injured. Douglas, Polk, Baker and Boutte. How many they keep is anyone guess, looks like a big fight for one or two spots. Boutte isn’t a lock. I agree, I want him to be on the team but he’s hardly a roster lock at this point. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 10, 2024 16:01:58 GMT -5
Don’t want Maye playing behind any sort of line that has Lowe on it
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2024 20:46:34 GMT -5
Game time starts and guess what Thornton and Reagor do what they usually do,not much. For me you have five locks, with Bourne being injured. Douglas, Polk, Baker and Boutte. How many they keep is anyone guess, looks like a big fight for one or two spots. Boutte isn’t a lock. I agree, I want him to be on the team but he’s hardly a roster lock at this point. For me he is and frankly it's not even close. Given his camp and first preseason game. Maybe something changes, but right now I stand by that. |
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Post by rasimon on Aug 11, 2024 12:37:21 GMT -5
A few months back I did a survey of Pats future. Some free agent signings have changed this a bit. For 2024, the Pats currently have $42MM in cap space (3rd behind SF, DET). For 2025, the Pats are projected to have $80MM in cap space (2nd behind AZ). overthecap.com/salary-cap-space patriotsfootballnow.com/2024/03/22/new-england-patriots-have-28-unrestricted-free-agents-in-2025/ nfltraderumors.co/top-100-2024-nfl-free-agents-list/ www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-free-agents-by-position/www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulatorwww.patriots.com/team/depth-chartQB: Under contract 2025: Drake Maye, Joe Milton, Bailey Zappe Pats 2025 free agents: Jacoby Brissett Top free agents still available: Ryan Tannehill Top 2025 free agents: Dak Prescott, Justin Fields, Sam Darnold, Mac Jones, Russell Wilson, Jimmy G Top draft prospects: Carson Beck (GA), Shadeur Sanders (COL), Jalon Milroe (AL), Quinn Ewers (Tex) * I don't see them spending significant money on another QB. They may need to (re)sign a veteran backup in 2025. The college class does not look so good at the moment. RB: Under contract 2025: Rhamondre Stevenson, Antonio Gibson, Terrell Jennings Pats 2025 free agents: JaMychal Hasty, Kevin Harris (RFA) Top free agents still available: Kareem Hunt (injury), Dalvin Cook (not a good citizen) Top 2025 free agents: Najee Harris, Aaron Jones, Javonte Williams, James Conner, Jaylen Warren Top draft prospects: Omarion Hampton (NC), Quinshon Judkins (OH), Ashton Jeanty (Boise), Ollie Gordon (OK St), Treyveon Henderson (OH), Raheim Sanders (AR), Tahj Brooks (Tex Tech), Damien Martinez (OR St) * Resigning Stevenson filled a big hole for the future. Pats could probably use another big back to share the load but its not highest priority. Next year could be a loaded class for college RBs. There might not be a Bijon but there could be 5 RBs going in the top 100. And there is more depth below that. WR: Under contract 2025: Kendrick Bourne, Tyquon Thornton, Kayshon Boutte, Demario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, Javon Baker Pats 2025 free agents: K.J. Osborn, Jalon Reagor, Kawaan Baker (ERFA), T.J. Luther (ERFA), JQ Jackson (ERFA) Top free agents still available: Michael Thomas Top 2025 free agents: CeeDee Lamb, Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper Top draft prospects: Luther Burden (MS), Tetaireoa McMillan (Ariz), Emeka Egbuka (OH), Isaiah Bond (Tex) Elic Ayomanor (Stanford), Tory Horton (Col), CJ Daniels (LSU), Jayden Higgens (IA St) * We need to see how Douglas, Polk, and Baker shake out before deciding if we need additional help in 2025. I suspect we still do. Next year's draft class looks nowhere near as strong as last years. There is some decent depth but the top is not so great. Many people have Burden ranked highly, but to me he looks like the best of an underwhelming group. There are some talented FAs but they are going to cost mucho $. TE: Under contract 2025: Hunter Henry, Jaheim Bell, Jacob Warren Pats 2025 free agents: Austin Hooper, Mitchell Wilcox, La'Michael Pettway (ERFA) Top free agents still available: no one Top 2025 free agents: Pat Freiermuth. Its pretty bleak after that. Top draft prospects: Colston Loveland (Mich), Mitchell Evans (Notre Dame), Oscar Delp (Ga), Tyler Warren (Penn St), possibly Luke Lachey (Iowa) * We are fine for this year. We will likely need to add a TE at the end of this year - as Hooper is a FA and Bell isn't really an in-line TE. Free agent class sucks. Loveland is projected to go late R1 which would take him off the table. Delp or Warren in the 3rd would be nice. OT: Under contract 2025: Michael Onwenu, Caedan Wallace, Vedarian Lowe, Zuri Henry Pats 2025 free agents: Chukwuma Okorafor, Calvin Anderson, Kellen Diesch (ERFA) Top free agents still available: Charles Leno, Donovan Smith, David Bakhtieri Top 2025 free agents: Tyron Smith Top draft prospects: Will Campbell (LSU) Kelvin Banks (Tex), Aireontae Ersery (Minn), JC Davis (IL), Anthony Belton (NC St), Josh Simmons (OH St) * If Onwenu plays RG we have potential to have a really bad OT rotation. Next year's FA class is bad (again). Next year's draft class does not have a Joe Alt. Campbell, Banks, and maybe Ersery should be day one starters. After that, there are some developmental guys and a few guys I have listed under IOL who might be able to play OT. Is Charles Leno taking phone calls? IOL: Under contract 2025: David Andrews, Cole Strange, Jake Andrews, Sidy Sow, Atonio Mafi, Layden Robinson, Charles Turner, Liam Fornadel Pats 2025 free agents: Nick Leverett, Michael Jordan Top free agents still available: Connor Williams (injured), Greg Van Roten Top 2025 free agents: Creed Humphrey, Zack Martin, Sam Cosmi, Trey Smith Top draft prospects: Emery Jones (LSU) may be OT, Tyler Booker (AL), Jonah Savaiinaea (Ariz) may be OT, Ernest Green II (GA), Jaedon Roberts (AL), Luke Kandra (Cinn). * It was bad last year and potentially worse this year - depending on where Onwenu plays. David Andrews is fine. Optimally, Sow could take a step up (maybe?). I am not believer in any of Strange, Mafi, or Jake. I am also skeptical that Robinson raises the bar any. Right now there project to be a few good FAs and a few good looking college guys next year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2024 13:11:37 GMT -5
Patriots issues is it basically seems Okorafor at LT wasn't working, so move him back to RT and Onwenu to RG. Which kinda blew up the whole off-season plan early in camp, heck maybe starting in mini camp.
Pluses are very good reports on Sow moving to LG. Wallace has been playing good at LT and RT, but is a rookie that was likely viewed as your top swing OT, not day one starter. Robinson and Leverett have had many good reports, the rest really haven't. Maybe a new system and coaching staff can unlock Lowe, but he was so bad last year I won't believe it until I see it. Even if Wallace is your starter at LT, you have almost zero depth.
I do think the current system is perfect for Cole Strange and it's a shame he's not healthy. Even when he gets healthy, he'll need a lot of time learn the new system.
I'm absolutely shocked no team has signed those 3 veteran OT or Connor Williams yet. Heck that also goes for some other free agents. I'd go sign Leno and Williams, let them start year on IR. Then at some point when ready we might have a good OL or at minium stop it from falling apart like it did to end last year.
Remember Browns played an extra OL more than any team in football over the last few years.
I wouldn't rule out some trades and claiming players on or near cut down day. We can use OL depth and RB depth, while having too many good CBs.
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 13:17:05 GMT -5
Lowe is very bad, he’s the only guy getting consistently beat. Other 4 spots are fine to good. I think Wallace is just flat out better, idc that he’s a rookie I’d roll with him in week 1
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 11, 2024 13:45:33 GMT -5
Lowe is very bad, he’s the only guy getting consistently beat. Other 4 spots are fine to good. I think Wallace is just flat out better, idc that he’s a rookie I’d roll with him in week 1 For contrast, the HC was complimentary of Lowe in this morning's presser, noting his good size, reach, demeanor, and steady improvement. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 14:02:38 GMT -5
Lowe is very bad, he’s the only guy getting consistently beat. Other 4 spots are fine to good. I think Wallace is just flat out better, idc that he’s a rookie I’d roll with him in week 1 For contrast, the HC was complimentary of Lowe in this morning's presser, noting his good size, reach, demeanor, and steady improvement. Oh he no doubt has size and reach. Heck he may even have great demeanor and he may even be improving. You can go from worst to second worst and that is improvement after all. Still don’t mean he’s any good! |
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