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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 14, 2024 17:43:59 GMT -5
No. Punt Zappe to the Vikings for a 7th. No, trade Maye to the Vikings and make Bazooka Joe the QB from W1 to the moon 🚀🚀🚀 I love Maye, if this was Jayden Daniels I’d unironically support that. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 14, 2024 17:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 14, 2024 17:48:52 GMT -5
I guessed a 4th so I’ll take it
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 14, 2024 18:02:34 GMT -5
I don’t love it, but there hasn’t been much to love for the Patriots in a long time
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 14, 2024 18:05:46 GMT -5
I love that they're getting a 3rd round pick for him. He wasn't a part of the future.
I feel like they're trading him for the wrong reason, but I like that they got this back for him.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 14, 2024 21:06:15 GMT -5
Sad to see Judon go but looking forward to a bigger role for White & Jennings.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 11:00:57 GMT -5
What about the first team OL? That's the bigger worry for me, as 80% of that line should be solid/good/average with Lowe being a huge question mark. That 2nd OL has guys like Mafi who is likely a practice squad guy given the reports I've seen. It's a good test because the Eagles have a very good D, with great depth, kinda like the Patriots. The Panthers suck. I didn't quite catch the first part, but I did pick up on him saying it was better, but still not good with Brissett and the first unit. The main complaint he was having was that the Patriots don't seem to have any tackles and indicated that Onwenu not playing tackle was another issue in of itself. I think he suspected the Patriots were hoping he'd play the position. Just quickly Googled Onwenu situation and Wolf explicitly mentioned him at RT, but all camp he's only played RG. Well I'm just 100% confused if that's the case. Okafor is one of those players I haven't heard really anything good or bad about him on X. Which I took as a good thing, if he's playing horrible I don't understand why Onwenu isn't playing RT, the position I want him to play. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 11:15:15 GMT -5
What about the first team OL? That's the bigger worry for me, as 80% of that line should be solid/good/average with Lowe being a huge question mark. That 2nd OL has guys like Mafi who is likely a practice squad guy given the reports I've seen. It's a good test because the Eagles have a very good D, with great depth, kinda like the Patriots. The Panthers suck. Where are you finding this confidence in 80% of the line? 40% is very good (Andrews and Onwenue), i think we all have some confidence in Sow, but he’s switching to left guard and while last year was encouraging for a rookie, it’s not good enough long term so we need improvement there. I do have confidence in him tho so let’s give then line 60% good. The tackles are a disaster which has a cascading effect on everything. When I looked into Okafor when people were saying he looked good as a pass prototector. What I found was he was decent, his biggest issue was penalties, plus not great as run blocker. I also haven't heard one person saying he sucks all camp and Onwenu should be at RT, unlike last year when it was a hot topic all camp and beginning of the year. Sow got better as the year went along last year, after all camp playing at RT. Haven't heard any negatives about him and have seen positive reports. I don't know about RG versus LG, but again haven’t seen anything saying he sucks and should have stayed at RG. Lots of crap of Lowe not being good, Lots on Anderson, lots on Mafi, lots on other OT being bad. The bigger story up to that last practice was how bad the 2nd unit OL was compared to the first. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 11:22:04 GMT -5
A top 100 pick is a top 100 pick, gives you a chance at impactful talent. Still we just likely traded our best player and I'm so confused. Reports that they wouldn't even negotiate with him, zero new contract offers. Just one months ago offer to slightly redo this years deal. I don't get not trying to see if you can get a team friendly extension done and if you couldn't then trading him. As we've seen you can't get top players if you suck as a team, Judon could have been huge helping this team improve. Especially with Barmore out and talk of him maybe missing the year!
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Post by philarhody on Aug 15, 2024 14:11:26 GMT -5
I’m deeply concerned at the trajectory of this franchise. You gave a box safety $13 million a year, your best tackle $18 million a year and then moved him to guard, your mercurial defensive tackle $90 million total and then is promptly diagnosed with blood clots.
But that’s not half as bad as the fact that Drake Maye, the highest value player in the franchise, has zero first team reps in practice. He’s playing behind Vedarian Lowe and some fat guy named Michael Jordan, and you have the audacity to claim that everyone is “competing for the top spots.” I think Mayo has been a liar from day 1. He’s had an intention to make life hard for Maye. I’m not sure why that is, but it certainly is true.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 15, 2024 14:31:59 GMT -5
I didn't quite catch the first part, but I did pick up on him saying it was better, but still not good with Brissett and the first unit. The main complaint he was having was that the Patriots don't seem to have any tackles and indicated that Onwenu not playing tackle was another issue in of itself. I think he suspected the Patriots were hoping he'd play the position. Just quickly Googled Onwenu situation and Wolf explicitly mentioned him at RT, but all camp he's only played RG. Well I'm just 100% confused if that's the case. Okafor is one of those players I haven't heard really anything good or bad about him on X. Which I took as a good thing, if he's playing horrible I don't understand why Onwenu isn't playing RT, the position I want him to play. Yeah, I'm not sure what the situation is with Okafor. My understanding is that he's transitioning from RT to LT and there might be some growing pains. 985thesportshub.com/2024/05/20/chuks-okorafor-patriots-left-tackle/It's bizarre with Onwenu because I didn't realize how adamant Wolf was about Onwenu playing RT, yet he's only played guard in camp. nesn.com/2024/05/eliot-wolf-pushes-back-on-offseason-narrative-about-patriots/ |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 15, 2024 18:18:43 GMT -5
I’m deeply concerned at the trajectory of this franchise. You gave a box safety $13 million a year, your best tackle $18 million a year and then moved him to guard, your mercurial defensive tackle $90 million total and then is promptly diagnosed with blood clots. But that’s not half as bad as the fact that Drake Maye, the highest value player in the franchise, has zero first team reps in practice. He’s playing behind Vedarian Lowe and some fat guy named Michael Jordan, and you have the audacity to claim that everyone is “competing for the top spots.” I think Mayo has been a liar from day 1. He’s had an intention to make life hard for Maye. I’m not sure why that is, but it certainly is true. I’m glad they are taking it slow with Maye. He’s a great talent but has some stuff to clean up and this line and our weapons aren’t good. Sitting him a year isn’t a bad thing. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 15, 2024 18:28:15 GMT -5
I’m deeply concerned at the trajectory of this franchise. You gave a box safety $13 million a year, your best tackle $18 million a year and then moved him to guard, your mercurial defensive tackle $90 million total and then is promptly diagnosed with blood clots. But that’s not half as bad as the fact that Drake Maye, the highest value player in the franchise, has zero first team reps in practice. He’s playing behind Vedarian Lowe and some fat guy named Michael Jordan, and you have the audacity to claim that everyone is “competing for the top spots.” I think Mayo has been a liar from day 1. He’s had an intention to make life hard for Maye. I’m not sure why that is, but it certainly is true. I’m glad they are taking it slow with Maye. He’s a great talent but has some stuff to clean up and this line and our weapons aren’t good. Sitting him a year isn’t a bad thing. I feel like Maye might be a guy who needs a couple of years. I liked the pick. Team is just an absolute dumpster fire. Maye to me was the 2nd best prospect in this draft and very likely better than any QB in next year's draft and so you red shirt the super young Maye, draft a LT next year when you're picking top 3 and break the bank in FA. Next year will likely be his real development year. Not that he's not developing now, but it's a season where the training wheels shouldn't come off. They have so much to clean up on the OL and need a legit WR weapon so he can learn and grow. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 15, 2024 18:32:31 GMT -5
Over/under total offensive points this season - 21.5?
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 15, 2024 18:49:31 GMT -5
Need to put Bouttes hands on Baker and we’d have a stud
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 15, 2024 18:58:40 GMT -5
Lol I know it's pre-season, but you can't take a sack 4th down mid field.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 15, 2024 19:02:03 GMT -5
Polk looks like he'll be great on short yardage.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 15, 2024 19:09:19 GMT -5
Forget everything I just said. Start Maye week 1.
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Post by rasimon on Aug 15, 2024 20:51:25 GMT -5
t Last year he struggled in run blocking as well. Note that NFL Draft Buzz had him ranked as the 71st best OL in the class. This isn't last years offense or running attack. They are going from a power rushing attack to an outside zone running scheme. He has above average size and speed. A players pre draft ranking means nothing, look no further than Onwenu as a perfect example. I disagree. Pre-draft rankings are a piece of information. The further away in time you are from them, the less relevant they are. But in this case, almost all of the information points in the same direction. Lowe played 5 years for Illinois. He was a good pass protector each year (PFFs scores in the 70s). He was mostly an ok run blocker (PFF scores in the 50s and 60s) until his last year when he scored an 80. premium.pff.com/ncaa/players/2021/REG/vederian-lowe/59741/offenseHis combine testing was average to below average. His height and weight were average. His arm length, wingspan and hand-size are very good. That is his best trait. www.mockdraftable.com/player/vederian-loweNFL Draft Buzz which you cited ranked him as the 71st OL in his class. Mock Draft Database pre-draft consensus rankings had him as the 246th player in his class. He was drafted in 2022 in the 6th round (184 overall) by MIN. He played for MIN for one year and was traded to the Pats for a 6th round pick in Aug 2023. www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LoweVe00.htmHe only played 33 snaps for MIN. In 2023 he played 476 snaps for the Pats. He was awful in pass protection and bad in run blocking. He seems like a good guy but he's not a quality OL. |
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Post by rasimon on Aug 15, 2024 21:04:54 GMT -5
A top 100 pick is a top 100 pick, gives you a chance at impactful talent. Still we just likely traded our best player and I'm so confused. Reports that they wouldn't even negotiate with him, zero new contract offers. Just one months ago offer to slightly redo this years deal. I don't get not trying to see if you can get a team friendly extension done and if you couldn't then trading him. As we've seen you can't get top players if you suck as a team, Judon could have been huge helping this team improve. Especially with Barmore out and talk of him maybe missing the year! I have mixed feelings on the Judon trade. I would have been willing to increase his salary this year and give him a guarantee for next year. But I wouldn't have gone beyond that. Not sure what he was asking for. I assume it was more than that. It hurts to get rid of a good player. Those are the types of players that you try to collect. The Pats are definitely a better team with Judon than without him. That said, I don't think he is an elite Edge. He is not Myles Garrett or Micah Parsons or Nick Bosa or TJ Watt or....He is a solid player and one of the best players on a team that is lacking in top tier talent. Assuming the Pats were not going to sign him to a longer contract, a third-round pick looks fair for one year of Judon. I would like the trade a lot more though if I had more confidence in the Pats ability to identify talent in the draft. They seem to waste a lot of picks on overdrafts that don't work out well. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 21:16:39 GMT -5
That article is OTA in May, starting with mini camp they started moving Okafor around. I don't think he's played first team reps or even any at LT in training camp. Last 3 weeks it was Wallace, then Lowe, per Pats reporters on X. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 21:17:43 GMT -5
Need to put Bouttes hands on Baker and we’d have a stud Per X Patriots reporters, drops are the only negative Boutte has had in camp. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 21:18:09 GMT -5
What no Joe Milton should start talk?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 21:26:58 GMT -5
This isn't last years offense or running attack. They are going from a power rushing attack to an outside zone running scheme. He has above average size and speed. A players pre draft ranking means nothing, look no further than Onwenu as a perfect example. I disagree. Pre-draft rankings are a piece of information. The further away in time you are from them, the less relevant they are. But in this case, almost all of the information points in the same direction. Lowe played 5 years for Illinois. He was a good run blocker each year (PFFs scores in the 70s). He was mostly an ok run blocker (PFF scores in the 50s and 60s) until his last year when he scored an 80. premium.pff.com/ncaa/players/2021/REG/vederian-lowe/59741/offenseHis combine testing was average to below average. His height and weight were average. His arm length, wingspan and hand-size are very good. That is his best trait. www.mockdraftable.com/player/vederian-loweNFL Draft Buzz which you cited ranked him as the 71st OL in his class. Mock Draft Database pre-draft consensus rankings had him as the 246th player in his class. He was drafted in 2022 in the 6th round (184 overall) by MIN. He played for MIN for one year and was traded to the Pats for a 6th round pick in Aug 2023. www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LoweVe00.htmHe only played 33 snaps for MIN. In 2023 he played 476 snaps for the Pats. He was awful in pass protection and bad in run blocking. He seems like a good guy but he's not a quality OL. He has above average everything besides crap that doesn't matter to OL, like broadjump and vertical. Again, go do Owenu and you'll see a lot of places didn't have him getting drafted. I'm not saying you're wrong about Lowe, but predraft rankings mean almost nothing, his play last year is meaningful. It also backs up he could become a good run blocker. I wish they'd just start Wallace. If he sucks, we know what to spend money and picks on next year. Then again, not a good start for our GM if he's wrong about the rookie and veteran he brought in to play LT over many other options. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2024 21:32:40 GMT -5
A top 100 pick is a top 100 pick, gives you a chance at impactful talent. Still we just likely traded our best player and I'm so confused. Reports that they wouldn't even negotiate with him, zero new contract offers. Just one months ago offer to slightly redo this years deal. I don't get not trying to see if you can get a team friendly extension done and if you couldn't then trading him. As we've seen you can't get top players if you suck as a team, Judon could have been huge helping this team improve. Especially with Barmore out and talk of him maybe missing the year! I have mixed feelings on the Judon trade. I would have been willing to increase his salary this year and give him a guarantee for next year. But I wouldn't have gone beyond that. Not sure what he was asking for. I assume it was more than that. It hurts to get rid of a good player. Those are the types of players that you try to collect. The Pats are definitely a better team with Judon than without him. That said, I don't think he is an elite Edge. He is not Myles Garrett or Micah Parsons or Nick Bosa or TJ Watt or....He is a solid player and one of the best players on a team that is lacking in top tier talent. Assuming the Pats were not going to sign him to a longer contract, a third-round pick looks fair for one year of Judon. I would like the trade a lot more though if I had more confidence in the Pats ability to identify talent in the draft. They seem to waste a lot of picks on overdrafts that don't work out well. I think he's elite, his production was certainly elite. Per reports I don't even know if anyone knows what Judon wants, Patriots wouldn't even discuss an extension with him. Just a slight redo of his current deal. That's what I'm seeing be reported and why he was upset. I fully agree, but if our GM sucks at drafting we are in trouble. Let's see what happens this year, it certainly doesn't look like crap so far! |
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