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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2024 12:20:19 GMT -5
Jordan love and Aaron Rodgers, do I need to continue? There's absolutely zero evidence that taking it slow with a young QB hurts him! Lots of QBs have done incredibly well after teams took it slow with them and it didn't hurt their development. What did Jordan Love and Aaron Rodgers have in common? Regardless, I’m not totally opposed to taking it slow with Drake Maye. I just think stating it’s an open competition and not giving him a single first team rep in practice is ridiculous. You either are or are not keeping him benched. You can’t talk out both sides of your mouth then say “he just hasn’t earned it.” You’re way too obsessed with the “open competition” thing. I don’t even know his exact words but stating Maye has a chance to start then not giving him first team reps isn’t necessarily contradicting. Maye should have to prove that the best thing for him is to start and/or that he’s been better than Jacoby. No reports from camp have been anything along the lines of “Maye consistently looks much better than Brissett.” We got reports that Maye was behind etc etc. Thursday night was the first time Maye looked much better than Jacoby and he played with the first team line for 2 quarters. You don’t just hand a guy first team reps. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2024 12:21:37 GMT -5
Let's be frank, the worst part of this Maye crap is the Boston Media, which Mayo is partially responsible for act like it's a QB competition, when it wasn't. Nevermind what is going on with the starting offense? That's two games in a row that Thornton and Osborn have started, while doing nothing. You can give Osborn a pass as a veteran, but Thornton has done nothing in his career during games. Boutte showing you why he's a lock again. You need to give Thornton every chance and show him to the world so when you cut him you can maybe put him in the PS |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2024 12:22:44 GMT -5
I don’t think trading Judon was a tanking move. I think it was a get rid of a distraction move.
I wouldn’t be dumping vets, maybe near the deadline, if you can get something valuable, but culture is important in football. They need to be careful.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 17, 2024 15:34:33 GMT -5
Perhaps what I hope to see from Milton doesn’t really exist. I don’t want him ever taking serious snaps from Drake Maye, I’m absolutely Maye’s #1 fan. But I want some showmanship, someone who comes into the game to throw weird passes. Remember that Colts special teams play like a decade ago, where they took a snap with literally just the guy and the center? I want that out of Milton. If I'm designing an offense around Milton for showmanship it's the wildcat system. Jalen Hurt pocket runs. Things of that nature. I’m IN for the wildcat, need at least one of those per half. |
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Post by philarhody on Aug 17, 2024 19:16:01 GMT -5
What did Jordan Love and Aaron Rodgers have in common? Regardless, I’m not totally opposed to taking it slow with Drake Maye. I just think stating it’s an open competition and not giving him a single first team rep in practice is ridiculous. You either are or are not keeping him benched. You can’t talk out both sides of your mouth then say “he just hasn’t earned it.” You’re way too obsessed with the “open competition” thing. I don’t even know his exact words but stating Maye has a chance to start then not giving him first team reps isn’t necessarily contradicting. Maye should have to prove that the best thing for him is to start and/or that he’s been better than Jacoby. No reports from camp have been anything along the lines of “Maye consistently looks much better than Brissett.” We got reports that Maye was behind etc etc. Thursday night was the first time Maye looked much better than Jacoby and he played with the first team line for 2 quarters. You don’t just hand a guy first team reps. If your 21 year old has a “chance to start” and he isn’t repping with the starters, than you are either lying or you are unorganized. If you think I’m way too obsessed, there’s 10 beat writers who soured on the greatest coach of all that will tell you Drake Maye has been underwhelming this summer. They’ve got podcasts and columns all over the place. Mayo cozied up with them quickly. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 17, 2024 20:49:33 GMT -5
Apparently the Falcons are completely done giving Penix an opportunity in pre-season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 17, 2024 22:17:02 GMT -5
Let's be frank, the worst part of this Maye crap is the Boston Media, which Mayo is partially responsible for act like it's a QB competition, when it wasn't. Nevermind what is going on with the starting offense? That's two games in a row that Thornton and Osborn have started, while doing nothing. You can give Osborn a pass as a veteran, but Thornton has done nothing in his career during games. Boutte showing you why he's a lock again. You need to give Thornton every chance and show him to the world so when you cut him you can maybe put him in the PS Okay, mission accomplished, now let's get ready for regular season. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 17, 2024 22:21:25 GMT -5
I don’t think trading Judon was a tanking move. I think it was a get rid of a distraction move. I wouldn’t be dumping vets, maybe near the deadline, if you can get something valuable, but culture is important in football. They need to be careful. If was only a distraction because they gave extension to everyone but him. So you'd keep Jones over a young guy? I've seen both Dial and Bolden being cut in projected 53 roster projections. Might be deepest position on the team given reports I've seen. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 18, 2024 6:47:41 GMT -5
I don’t think trading Judon was a tanking move. I think it was a get rid of a distraction move. I wouldn’t be dumping vets, maybe near the deadline, if you can get something valuable, but culture is important in football. They need to be careful. If was only a distraction because they gave extension to everyone but him. So you'd keep Jones over a young guy? I've seen both Dial and Bolden being cut in projected 53 roster projections. Might be deepest position on the team given reports I've seen. Assuming Jones is still really good, hasn’t lost a step and he’s clearly much better than them, yes I would. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 18, 2024 6:49:30 GMT -5
You’re way too obsessed with the “open competition” thing. I don’t even know his exact words but stating Maye has a chance to start then not giving him first team reps isn’t necessarily contradicting. Maye should have to prove that the best thing for him is to start and/or that he’s been better than Jacoby. No reports from camp have been anything along the lines of “Maye consistently looks much better than Brissett.” We got reports that Maye was behind etc etc. Thursday night was the first time Maye looked much better than Jacoby and he played with the first team line for 2 quarters. You don’t just hand a guy first team reps. If your 21 year old has a “chance to start” and he isn’t repping with the starters, than you are either lying or you are unorganized. If you think I’m way too obsessed, there’s 10 beat writers who soured on the greatest coach of all that will tell you Drake Maye has been underwhelming this summer. They’ve got podcasts and columns all over the place. Mayo cozied up with them quickly. What did Maye do to earn the reps as a starter in camp? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 18, 2024 8:50:20 GMT -5
Of note: reports from yesterday’s practice was Maye had some reps with first team offensive line… you know, after he actually earned them and wasn’t handed them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2024 10:53:05 GMT -5
If was only a distraction because they gave extension to everyone but him. So you'd keep Jones over a young guy? I've seen both Dial and Bolden being cut in projected 53 roster projections. Might be deepest position on the team given reports I've seen. Assuming Jones is still really good, hasn’t lost a step and he’s clearly much better than them, yes I would. Why? He's one of the few players they haven't extended and is 31 in a few days. If Judon is part of the Future, Jones isn't going to be part of if and he's never been great. Also someone you can actually get something of value for. Shouldn't the question ge who's likely better or here in the next few years? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2024 10:58:12 GMT -5
Of note: reports from yesterday’s practice was Maye had some reps with first team offensive line… you know, after he actually earned them and wasn’t handed them. I don't think that's really true from reports I saw. They had some guys out so they moved guys around and basically only played top line, but with Wallace/Okafor at LT, Onwenu at RT, etc. Onwenu called it getting ready for different scenarios when guys get hurt day. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2024 11:02:59 GMT -5
If your 21 year old has a “chance to start” and he isn’t repping with the starters, than you are either lying or you are unorganized. If you think I’m way too obsessed, there’s 10 beat writers who soured on the greatest coach of all that will tell you Drake Maye has been underwhelming this summer. They’ve got podcasts and columns all over the place. Mayo cozied up with them quickly. What did Maye do to earn the reps as a starter in camp? In all fairness, it's actually rather normal for your backup to take some starter reps during training camp. It's getting your backup ready incase he's needed. They have been rotating in the RB, WR, TE and OL for this very reason. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 18, 2024 13:25:43 GMT -5
Assuming Jones is still really good, hasn’t lost a step and he’s clearly much better than them, yes I would. Why? He's one of the few players they haven't extended and is 31 in a few days. If Judon is part of the Future, Jones isn't going to be part of if and he's never been great. Also someone you can actually get something of value for. Shouldn't the question ge who's likely better or here in the next few years? What do you think you’re getting back in a trade for Jones? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2024 15:14:17 GMT -5
Why? He's one of the few players they haven't extended and is 31 in a few days. If Judon is part of the Future, Jones isn't going to be part of if and he's never been great. Also someone you can actually get something of value for. Shouldn't the question ge who's likely better or here in the next few years? What do you think you’re getting back in a trade for Jones? If I'm doing it, I pay down his salary to $2 million, increasing his value. I want to focus on premium picks, so I'd try for Jones and a 4th for a 3rd type deal. Teams love those because they don't lose a pick. Gets us 5 top 100 picks. That should be equal to something like a 5th round pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 18, 2024 16:02:54 GMT -5
What do you think you’re getting back in a trade for Jones? If I'm doing it, I pay down his salary to $2 million, increasing his value. I want to focus on premium picks, so I'd try for Jones and a 4th for a 3rd type deal. Teams love those because they don't lose a pick. Gets us 5 top 100 picks. That should be equal to something like a 5th round pick. Yea, I’m not doing that. I get where you’re going with it and the theory but this isn’t GM mode on Madden. I’m not dumping veteran leaders for a 5th round value. He’s the only veteran corner and can relate to outside and slot. That’s valuable for our young guys. I’m a big believer in culture in the NFL. |
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Post by philarhody on Aug 18, 2024 20:39:46 GMT -5
If your 21 year old has a “chance to start” and he isn’t repping with the starters, than you are either lying or you are unorganized. If you think I’m way too obsessed, there’s 10 beat writers who soured on the greatest coach of all that will tell you Drake Maye has been underwhelming this summer. They’ve got podcasts and columns all over the place. Mayo cozied up with them quickly. What did Maye do to earn the reps as a starter in camp? He was the third overall pick in a very strong quarterback draft. They didn’t give him any reps as a starter in camp. If you gave him reps, and Jacoby was better, that settles it. The problem is, you made him rep with the seconds, gave him first team reps only in the preseason games, then when he was head and shoulders better than Jacoby, started splitting reps toward the end of August. That’s a disorganized mess. What makes it worse is you called it “an open competition” the whole time. It’s not an open competition if one guy is playing with the better players on a team that is already bereft of talent. That’s a settled competition. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 19, 2024 3:32:35 GMT -5
If I'm doing it, I pay down his salary to $2 million, increasing his value. I want to focus on premium picks, so I'd try for Jones and a 4th for a 3rd type deal. Teams love those because they don't lose a pick. Gets us 5 top 100 picks. That should be equal to something like a 5th round pick. Yea, I’m not doing that. I get where you’re going with it and the theory but this isn’t GM mode on Madden. I’m not dumping veteran leaders for a 5th round value. He’s the only veteran corner and can relate to outside and slot. That’s valuable for our young guys. I’m a big believer in culture in the NFL. You can certainly have your opinion, but get out of here with the GM mode on Madden crap! That's just crazy talk. The whole defense is veteran filled, you literally have one rookie CB in the group |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 19, 2024 6:52:03 GMT -5
Yea, I’m not doing that. I get where you’re going with it and the theory but this isn’t GM mode on Madden. I’m not dumping veteran leaders for a 5th round value. He’s the only veteran corner and can relate to outside and slot. That’s valuable for our young guys. I’m a big believer in culture in the NFL. You can certainly have your opinion, but get out of here with the GM mode on Madden crap! That's just crazy talk. The whole defense is veteran filled, you literally have one rookie CB in the group Tell me one other true veteran corner in the group that’s done anything in the league? It’s a young inexperienced group outside of Jonathan Jones. That’s just a fact. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 19, 2024 7:22:10 GMT -5
What did Maye do to earn the reps as a starter in camp? He was the third overall pick in a very strong quarterback draft. They didn’t give him any reps as a starter in camp. If you gave him reps, and Jacoby was better, that settles it. The problem is, you made him rep with the seconds, gave him first team reps only in the preseason games, then when he was head and shoulders better than Jacoby, started splitting reps toward the end of August. That’s a disorganized mess. What makes it worse is you called it “an open competition” the whole time. It’s not an open competition if one guy is playing with the better players on a team that is already bereft of talent. That’s a settled competition. A competition being open isn’t the same as everyone gets equal opportunity or gets handed opportunity they didn’t earn. It doesn’t even mean everyone is on the same level. Certain guys are guaranteed their starting spot regardless of the camp they have. The fact you have to point to Maye being the 3rd pick as your only evidence that he’s earned it (prior to last weeks game) is fairly telling. I’m happy with Maye, I’m happy with his progression, but he hasn’t wowed at camp and that’s what it would have taken, and rightfully so, for him to jump Brissett. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 19, 2024 10:38:52 GMT -5
You can certainly have your opinion, but get out of here with the GM mode on Madden crap! That's just crazy talk. The whole defense is veteran filled, you literally have one rookie CB in the group Tell me one other true veteran corner in the group that’s done anything in the league? It’s a young inexperienced group outside of Jonathan Jones. That’s just a fact. Marco Wilson going into 4th year has started 37 games, while playing in 44 games. Shaun Wade 4th year, coming off playing in 14 games and 6 starts. I certainly don't count guys in 4th year that have started games as young inexperienced players. Only two players with a chance of making the team haven't started games in the NFL. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 19, 2024 10:48:22 GMT -5
Yeah any normal real QB competition actually gives the players an equal chance. The Patriots lied and in turn made Maye look bad. Now holding Maye back was absolutely the best decision, they just handled it wrong by saying it was an open competition, it wasn't. They likely fear what I do, that a real competition is something Maye could win and there's zero reasons to rush him. What they should have said, is when Maye is ready, he'll have a chance to compete for the starting job.
We have to remember Mayo is a first time coach with limited coaching experience. This won't likely be the last time he puts his foot in his mouth.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 19, 2024 10:59:20 GMT -5
Yeah any normal real QB competition actually gives the players an equal chance. The Patriots lied and in turn made Maye look bad. Now holding Maye back was absolutely the best decision, they just handled it wrong by saying it was an open competition, it wasn't. They likely fear what I do, that a real competition is something Maye could win and there's zero reasons to rush him. What they should have said, is when Maye is ready, he'll have a chance to compete for the starting job. We have to remember Mayo is a first time coach with limited coaching experience. This won't likely be the last time he puts his foot in his mouth. That’s fair, if that’s your view point, on what a job being open to competition is, but it’s not everyone’s view point so the real issue is people tying to shoehorn their viewpoint on someone else’s words. You’re right tho, Mayo is a first time head coach so we are learning his ways. Maybe he will adjust his language going forward to assuage critics, but that is not the same thing as lying. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 19, 2024 12:19:23 GMT -5
Yeah any normal real QB competition actually gives the players an equal chance. The Patriots lied and in turn made Maye look bad. Now holding Maye back was absolutely the best decision, they just handled it wrong by saying it was an open competition, it wasn't. They likely fear what I do, that a real competition is something Maye could win and there's zero reasons to rush him. What they should have said, is when Maye is ready, he'll have a chance to compete for the starting job. We have to remember Mayo is a first time coach with limited coaching experience. This won't likely be the last time he puts his foot in his mouth. That’s fair, if that’s your view point, on what a job being open to competition is, but it’s not everyone’s view point so the real issue is people tying to shoehorn their viewpoint on someone else’s words. You’re right tho, Mayo is a first time head coach so we are learning his ways. Maybe he will adjust his language going forward to assuage critics, but that is not the same thing as lying. A true competition is picking who's better, how do you do that without making things equal at some level? Heck Mayo is literally saying Maye could start game one if he's better, right now. Only way to judge that is by splitting first team reps in some way. Not one getting first team reps and the other getting 2nd team reps. Otherwise you have zero clue if first team offense gets better or worse with Maye, same with 2nd team, does it get better or worse with Brissett. There really only is one type of true competition to start and in football that means getting first team reps. Heck even backups get first team reps to get ready to play incase of injuries. |
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