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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 29, 2024 10:52:28 GMT -5
Why can’t the issues be fixed by next year? It’s entirely possible all we need is a left tackle by the time next year rolls around. Andrews is a really good center Onwenu is an excellent RG or RT. Sow looks like a good guard that can play left or right side. If one of Strange/Robinson works out then you push Onwenu to tackle. If Wallace works out at RT then you also only need a left tackle. Offensive lines can be broken quickly but can also get fixed rather quickly when your have a few pieces already. To me if the OLine is nearly as bad has been written about then it needs more than just a LT in order to become a solid line. Not saying they all need to be purged there are a piece or two that could be members of a good oline but something isn't passing the smell test here. I guess I would agree that the line can be fixed relatively quickly but we'll see. As much as I’ve ripped on the guy, I think the line would look noticeably different if Strange weren’t hurt. Lines also need to work in unison, it’s not just simply individual guys.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2024 10:54:54 GMT -5
I don’t have an issue with Jacoby as the starter. I do have an issue if Drake is now scout team quarterback. Drake should get every first team snap in practice, because that’s your franchise. Then you have an issue with Jacoby starting because that’s not happening nor should it. No I have an issue with the shifting priorities of the franchise. If you want your best chance to win today, then Jacoby shouldn’t be starting next week. If you want to protect and develop your best offensive player, then maybe Jacoby starts but Drake gets the development in practice. You can’t have both things, highest competitive level and long term development, if Jacoby gets the reps in game and in practice. I don’t care what kind of meta verse you got plugged into the players lounge. (And before we get started with strawmen, Jacoby is not Brett Favre, Aaron Rodger’s, or even pro bowler Alex Smith (which cost the Chiefs a potential Super Bowl)).
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Post by texs31 on Aug 29, 2024 11:00:51 GMT -5
Do I not understand "strawmen"?
EDIT - it's quite possible, I do not.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2024 11:02:53 GMT -5
We don't know what the OL will look like when given time to gel, the unit we watched last game was together like a week all training camp. Which is 100% a coaching issue. It's crazy complex compared to what we've seen the last 25 years. You literally have the OG doing an X on the play the ran into each other.
Sow and Andrews are the only two that have been top OL at the same position all camp.
Who knows if it can be halfway decent and injuries could destroy it, but I'd say there's a good chance they gel with more time together and it gets better than last game.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 29, 2024 11:07:26 GMT -5
Related to both RJP and UMASS posts:
1. Brandon Thorn (a fairly well respected OL analyst) thinks Robinson has been one of the best rookie OL he's seen all summer.
2. Matt Chatham reminded us that the Patriots made a decision to try and convert two long-time RT (one a veteran; one a rookie) to solve their LT problem. It's unreasonable to think that, even if this conversion can take place, it would've happened immediately. While it MAY be a talent issue ultimately, it's quite possible we're just witnessing the transition phase.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2024 11:19:00 GMT -5
It's not Okorafor at LT that's my biggest issue, it's he played RT almost all camp. They started with Anderson, then it was Wallace for weeks, then Lowe for Weeks at LT, then Okarafor the last week.
They started this in mini camp, moving Onwenu to RG and Okorafor to RT. It's almost criminal to convert a career RT to LT, then have him play RT 90% of camp before moving back to LT.
One week before preseason game and two weeks before first game will be the longest run Okorafor has had at LT and Owenu at RT in this system.
Our old great OL coach always talked about players gelling as a unit and growing together. Which has been impossible given how they kept switching everyone. To make it worse it's a completely new OL system that none of the players have experience in and it looks rather complex
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2024 11:20:04 GMT -5
Do I not understand "strawmen"? EDIT - it's quite possible, I do not. You do, I don’t. Red herring was the more appropriate fallacy
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2024 11:50:33 GMT -5
Has it been reported Maye will play scout team? If so that's good news, typically backup QBs don't get any top reps during season. Scout team QB will play against the top defense in practice and a bunch of our young WRs are on 2nd team. That will be very good experience for him.
You don't name a starter, then split starter reps or give them all to the backup. Only way Maye gets the starter reps is if he's starting.
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Post by dcb26 on Aug 29, 2024 12:42:23 GMT -5
Why would Maye be incapable of developing the things he needs to develop if he's practicing with the backups? If the plan isn't for him to get meaningful playing time in this year's starting offense then...he doesn't need meaningful practice time with this year's starting offense
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2024 13:03:56 GMT -5
Why would Maye be incapable of developing the things he needs to develop if he's practicing with the backups? If the plan isn't for him to get meaningful playing time in this year's starting offense then...he doesn't need meaningful practice time with this year's starting offense Because the leaks and statements out of camp were that Maye isn’t as prepared to run Van Pelt’s offense. I could care less if Drake Maye can impersonate Joe Burrow on a week’s notice (newsflash: he can).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2024 13:17:19 GMT -5
We don't see value in Drake Maye impersonating Joe Burrows against our D that should be good?
Another glass half full type thing, with Osborn and Thornton starting, Maye has gotten to run with Baker, Polk and Boutte. Forming Chemistry that frankly is our future, unfortunately not much with Douglas. That should be able to continue and is a very good thing for me.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2024 13:52:14 GMT -5
We don't see value in Drake Maye impersonating Joe Burrows against our D that should be good? Another glass half full type thing, with Osborn and Thornton starting, Maye has gotten to run with Baker, Polk and Boutte. Forming Chemistry that frankly is our future, unfortunately not much with Douglas. That should be able to continue and is a very good thing for me. I’m with you on the second part. Although I would say that Polk and Baker should be starting with Bourne out. Drake Maye is good at football. He probably needs to continue developing in Van Pelt’s offense.
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Post by nomar on Aug 29, 2024 14:00:18 GMT -5
Late notice be damned, anyone have interest in a SoxProspects fantasy football league?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 29, 2024 14:02:35 GMT -5
Quit with the Alex Smith slander: led the NFL in passer rating in 2017 while Patty sat & watched; had a 116 passer rating in playoff loss. He didn't hold that team back.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 29, 2024 14:21:19 GMT -5
Saying that Maye can’t develop because he’s not starting or taking first team reps in practice is so brain dead i don’t even know where to start with it.
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Post by dcb26 on Aug 29, 2024 14:39:09 GMT -5
We don't see value in Drake Maye impersonating Joe Burrows against our D that should be good? Another glass half full type thing, with Osborn and Thornton starting, Maye has gotten to run with Baker, Polk and Boutte. Forming Chemistry that frankly is our future, unfortunately not much with Douglas. That should be able to continue and is a very good thing for me. I’m with you on the second part. Although I would say that Polk and Baker should be starting with Bourne out. Drake Maye is good at football. He probably needs to continue developing in Van Pelt’s offense. Right right, I completely forgot how they hired a whole other, worse, offensive coaching staff to coach the backups, specifically so that they would be unprepared to play in the 'real' offense when the time came, and would hopefully fail to develop as players.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 29, 2024 14:49:09 GMT -5
To say that a player the team has declared the backup QB should actually be getting the 1st team reps is so asinine I don't even know what to say. This isn't Madden where you get extra development points when you go into the depth chart and put your young QB to be the starter during the weekly training and then move them back for the games.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 29, 2024 14:50:47 GMT -5
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Post by rasimon on Aug 29, 2024 17:44:17 GMT -5
Pats sign
DE Brevin Allen G Jerome Carvin DT Trysten Hill C Bryan Hudson G Michael Jordan WR Jalen Reagor
Hudson was fairly good at Louisville over the last 2 years. He is on the small side though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2024 18:09:44 GMT -5
Bolden cleared waivers, so I expected he'll be back. So they've done a good job. Building depth and keeping the players you really needed to keep.
I wouldn't mind a QB to push Milton lol.
Also another TE wouldn't hurt.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2024 18:13:23 GMT -5
Late notice be damned, anyone have interest in a SoxProspects fantasy football league? Sure why not.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2024 18:21:41 GMT -5
To say that a player the team has declared the backup QB should actually be getting the 1st team reps is so asinine I don't even know what to say. This isn't Madden where you get extra development points when you go into the depth chart and put your young QB to be the starter during the weekly training and then move them back for the games. Sounds like you do know what to say. That Drake Maye taking starter reps in practice would be akin to playing madden. Does that sound right?
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 29, 2024 18:25:28 GMT -5
Late notice be damned, anyone have interest in a SoxProspects fantasy football league? Yo sign me up!
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2024 18:27:03 GMT -5
Saying that Maye can’t develop because he’s not starting or taking first team reps in practice is so brain dead i don’t even know where to start with it. Did someone say Drake Maye can’t develop unless he’s taking first team reps? I know I said they should give him the first team reps if they are prioritizing his development. That’s a big difference from your statement, so I’m gonna assume you are referencing something that someone else said.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2024 19:22:09 GMT -5
Quit with the Alex Smith slander: led the NFL in passer rating in 2017 while Patty sat & watched; had a 116 passer rating in playoff loss. He didn't hold that team back. He was a pro bowl level player!
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