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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by texs31 on Aug 30, 2024 7:03:56 GMT -5
Bolden cleared waivers, so I expected he'll be back. So they've done a good job. Building depth and keeping the players you really needed to keep. I wouldn't mind a QB to push Milton lol. Also another TE wouldn't hurt. I guess they had TE Tommy Sweeney in for a workout.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2024 8:07:41 GMT -5
Saying that Maye can’t develop because he’s not starting or taking first team reps in practice is so brain dead i don’t even know where to start with it. Did someone say Drake Maye can’t develop unless he’s taking first team reps? I know I said they should give him the first team reps if they are prioritizing his development. That’s a big difference from your statement, so I’m gonna assume you are referencing something that someone else said. That's certainly the way I took it, second to last sentence, first paragraph. Saying you can't have long-term development if Brissett is getting all the game and practice 1st team reps.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2024 8:19:21 GMT -5
Mike Reiss says Bolden to Practice squad.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 30, 2024 8:53:14 GMT -5
Did someone say Drake Maye can’t develop unless he’s taking first team reps? I know I said they should give him the first team reps if they are prioritizing his development. That’s a big difference from your statement, so I’m gonna assume you are referencing something that someone else said. That's certainly the way I took it, second to last sentence, first paragraph. Saying you can't have long-term development if Brissett is getting all the game and practice 1st team reps. There’s a difference between Drake Maye’s improvement and the organization’s priority to facilitate that improvement. I don’t want to hear how Drake Maye needs to earn reps or any of this other nonsense from Jerod Mayo. I want to see that the organization’s main priority is to make Drake Maye better, which would include devoted time in the offense. When Patrick Mahomes backed up Alex Smith, he would run scout team and then pull in backups after practice to run through the offense. I want to see much better organizational support for Drake Maye. I’m sure Drake will do the same post practice thing as Patrick Mahomes if not given the support. But that will be a fundamental failure on this organization, which is in a total rebuild and should be facilitating Drake Maye’s developing, not impeding it. If someone feels the need to call me brain dead for that, so be it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 30, 2024 9:06:04 GMT -5
So, we have two schools of thought in potential future HoFer Drake Maye.
1. If he plays, he'll die. 2. If doesn't get first team reps he'll be a bust.
In all seriousness, I don't think him not taking reps with the starters is going to hurt his progression. What I do think it will hurt him with is his chemistry with those guys if he needs to get into a game. Knowing the play and how to run the offense and having experience throwing to guys aren't necessarily the same.
So I don't think it matters much from a developmental standpoint, but not great if he needs to take over for Brissett until he builds that chemistry.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2024 9:40:40 GMT -5
That's certainly the way I took it, second to last sentence, first paragraph. Saying you can't have long-term development if Brissett is getting all the game and practice 1st team reps. There’s a difference between Drake Maye’s improvement and the organization’s priority to facilitate that improvement. I don’t want to hear how Drake Maye needs to earn reps or any of this other nonsense from Jerod Mayo. I want to see that the organization’s main priority is to make Drake Maye better, which would include devoted time in the offense. When Patrick Mahomes backed up Alex Smith, he would run scout team and then pull in backups after practice to run through the offense. I want to see much better organizational support for Drake Maye. I’m sure Drake will do the same post practice thing as Patrick Mahomes if not given the support. But that will be a fundamental failure on this organization, which is in a total rebuild and should be facilitating Drake Maye’s developing, not impeding it. If someone feels the need to call me brain dead for that, so be it. So your example is best QB ever who literally didn't get the first team reps you claim Drake Maye needs for his long-term development? Weren't you the one saying Maye is on Scout team? Sorry but every rookie needs to earn reps. Mayo words salads have been horrible. At the same time there's zero information saying the team isn't supporting Maye 100%. There's a huge difference in Mayo lack of experience as a coach resulting in him inserting his foot into his mouth regularly and what Patriots are doing for Maye behind the scenes. The plan since day one was to start Brissett and take things slowly with Maye, which is 100% the right thing. The team messing up, is starting Maye because he gives you the best chance at winning meaningless games. I said that day 1 and I truly believe it. If our OL looked good and we didn't have a new OC with a completely new system, maybe things would be different. Example if Maye was on 49ers. You can't ruin a QB by not playing him, you can ruin a young QB by playing him too early.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 30, 2024 10:04:07 GMT -5
If footwork is one of his biggest issues, the drills and changing muscle memory is best done in a practice environment anyway, since a bad OL will move him off his spot more "traumaticly" and are more likely to revert him to his "bad" habits.
Also we are really talking about game 1 right now. I can never find the exact stat, but I saw one before that something like 90% of high first round picks start at least 8 games their first year. It's inevitable that his improvement plus offensive line gelling in a new system plus an injury or ineffectiveness will all greatly improve his opportunity to start very soon, and 3 years from now no one will care if he started week 1 or not.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2024 10:18:50 GMT -5
The footwork crap is one of the most overblown things ever. It was beautiful his first year starting. Lost tons of talent to NFL, including multiple OL guys. His line was horrible last year and he was running for his life trying to make plays to help his team win.
You don't see that with Daniels for example because he had a great OL and when it got bad he just took off to run.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 30, 2024 13:16:34 GMT -5
There’s a difference between Drake Maye’s improvement and the organization’s priority to facilitate that improvement. I don’t want to hear how Drake Maye needs to earn reps or any of this other nonsense from Jerod Mayo. I want to see that the organization’s main priority is to make Drake Maye better, which would include devoted time in the offense. When Patrick Mahomes backed up Alex Smith, he would run scout team and then pull in backups after practice to run through the offense. I want to see much better organizational support for Drake Maye. I’m sure Drake will do the same post practice thing as Patrick Mahomes if not given the support. But that will be a fundamental failure on this organization, which is in a total rebuild and should be facilitating Drake Maye’s developing, not impeding it. If someone feels the need to call me brain dead for that, so be it. So your example is best QB ever who literally didn't get the first team reps you claim Drake Maye needs for his long-term development? Weren't you the one saying Maye is on Scout team? Sorry but every rookie needs to earn reps. Mayo words salads have been horrible. At the same time there's zero information saying the team isn't supporting Maye 100%. There's a huge difference in Mayo lack of experience as a coach resulting in him inserting his foot into his mouth regularly and what Patriots are doing for Maye behind the scenes. The plan since day one was to start Brissett and take things slowly with Maye, which is 100% the right thing. The team messing up, is starting Maye because he gives you the best chance at winning meaningless games. I said that day 1 and I truly believe it. If our OL looked good and we didn't have a new OC with a completely new system, maybe things would be different. Example if Maye was on 49ers. You can't ruin a QB by not playing him, you can ruin a young QB by playing him too early. You keep strawmanning my argument. If you can’t articulate what I’m trying to say, just stop. My argument is about the efficacy of an organization trying to develop a franchise quarterback. My argument is not “Drake Maye is not going to develop if he doesn’t get starter reps in practice.” It IS “if the Patriots truly are prioritizing Drake Maye’s development they need to give him the most meaningful practice reps.”
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 30, 2024 13:49:55 GMT -5
That's just not how the NFL works though, they're not going to give first team reps to the backup QB even if said backup is the future of the franchise. Chances are by Oct/Nov Maye is getting first team reps anyway.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 30, 2024 13:50:00 GMT -5
So your example is best QB ever who literally didn't get the first team reps you claim Drake Maye needs for his long-term development? Weren't you the one saying Maye is on Scout team? Sorry but every rookie needs to earn reps. Mayo words salads have been horrible. At the same time there's zero information saying the team isn't supporting Maye 100%. There's a huge difference in Mayo lack of experience as a coach resulting in him inserting his foot into his mouth regularly and what Patriots are doing for Maye behind the scenes. The plan since day one was to start Brissett and take things slowly with Maye, which is 100% the right thing. The team messing up, is starting Maye because he gives you the best chance at winning meaningless games. I said that day 1 and I truly believe it. If our OL looked good and we didn't have a new OC with a completely new system, maybe things would be different. Example if Maye was on 49ers. You can't ruin a QB by not playing him, you can ruin a young QB by playing him too early. You keep strawmanning my argument. If you can’t articulate what I’m trying to say, just stop. My argument is about the efficacy of an organization trying to develop a franchise quarterback. My argument is not “Drake Maye is not going to develop if he doesn’t get starter reps in practice.” It IS “if the Patriots truly are prioritizing Drake Maye’s development they need to give him the most meaningful practice reps.” Buddy you don’t prioritize a players development at the complete sacrifice of the rest of the team. That’s perhaps more brain dead than what I originally said was brain dead. And yes, not giving your starter the first team reps in practice is a complete sacrifice of the rest of the team and would destroy your coach in the locker room.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 30, 2024 13:57:08 GMT -5
That's just not how the NFL works though, they're not going to give first team reps to the backup QB even if said backup is the future of the franchise. Chances are by Oct/Nov Maye is getting first team reps anyway. How about split the reps?
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Post by philarhody on Aug 30, 2024 14:14:25 GMT -5
You keep strawmanning my argument. If you can’t articulate what I’m trying to say, just stop. My argument is about the efficacy of an organization trying to develop a franchise quarterback. My argument is not “Drake Maye is not going to develop if he doesn’t get starter reps in practice.” It IS “if the Patriots truly are prioritizing Drake Maye’s development they need to give him the most meaningful practice reps.” Buddy you don’t prioritize a players development at the complete sacrifice of the rest of the team. That’s perhaps more brain dead than what I originally said was brain dead. And yes, not giving your starter the first team reps in practice is a complete sacrifice of the rest of the team and would destroy your coach in the locker room. Well at least you’re landing petty shots on the correct argument. Maybe you’re right about losing the locker room. But I think the locker room already knows that the organization is making decisions that don’t have to do with competing this season. Mike Reiss reported that Mayo instructed the entire offensive line how they needed to lineup after the first illegal formation, and they just defiantly kept lining up illegally. The Judon situation. Acting like the second best quarterback is your best quarterback. Putting out “qb competition” carrots. Oversharing with the media. All of these things are far more damaging to a locker room than saying “Jacoby’s gonna start but we want Drake to have reps too. Does anyone have a problem with that?”
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Post by philarhody on Aug 30, 2024 14:16:47 GMT -5
If footwork is one of his biggest issues, the drills and changing muscle memory is best done in a practice environment anyway, since a bad OL will move him off his spot more "traumaticly" and are more likely to revert him to his "bad" habits. Also we are really talking about game 1 right now. I can never find the exact stat, but I saw one before that something like 90% of high first round picks start at least 8 games their first year. It's inevitable that his improvement plus offensive line gelling in a new system plus an injury or ineffectiveness will all greatly improve his opportunity to start very soon, and 3 years from now no one will care if he started week 1 or not. Good thought. His rough footwork occurs more within the structure of his drops. He’s actually pretty nifting sorting through a trash pocket. He just gets a little wonky at the top of his drops. If he doesn’t play in the first 8 weeks, it would actually be historic.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 30, 2024 14:34:58 GMT -5
Buddy you don’t prioritize a players development at the complete sacrifice of the rest of the team. That’s perhaps more brain dead than what I originally said was brain dead. And yes, not giving your starter the first team reps in practice is a complete sacrifice of the rest of the team and would destroy your coach in the locker room. Well at least you’re landing petty shots on the correct argument. Maybe you’re right about losing the locker room. But I think the locker room already knows that the organization is making decisions that don’t have to do with competing this season. Mike Reiss reported that Mayo instructed the entire offensive line how they needed to lineup after the first illegal formation, and they just defiantly kept lining up illegally. The Judon situation. Acting like the second best quarterback is your best quarterback. Putting out “qb competition” carrots. Oversharing with the media. All of these things are far more damaging to a locker room than saying “Jacoby’s gonna start but we want Drake to have reps too. Does anyone have a problem with that?” Well you’re either poorly articulating your argument or you continue to adjust it as you get pushback. How many first team reps does Maye have to get weekly for you to be happy that they are prioritizing his development? It seems like it’s gone from he can’t run the scout team and needs the first team reps to now I guess he just needs some of the first team reps? In all seriousness, do you think Maye has improved throughout camp? If the answer is yes and he’s barely played first team reps then I’m not sure why you’re worried about his continued progress. Drills, meetings, film work, learning the playbook and reps against our first team defense will all help him improve. Literally things like getting a feel for how quickly passing windows change in the NFL are things he’ll learn by playing against our first team defense in practice.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 30, 2024 15:32:12 GMT -5
Well at least you’re landing petty shots on the correct argument. Maybe you’re right about losing the locker room. But I think the locker room already knows that the organization is making decisions that don’t have to do with competing this season. Mike Reiss reported that Mayo instructed the entire offensive line how they needed to lineup after the first illegal formation, and they just defiantly kept lining up illegally. The Judon situation. Acting like the second best quarterback is your best quarterback. Putting out “qb competition” carrots. Oversharing with the media. All of these things are far more damaging to a locker room than saying “Jacoby’s gonna start but we want Drake to have reps too. Does anyone have a problem with that?” Well you’re either poorly articulating your argument or you continue to adjust it as you get pushback. How many first team reps does Maye have to get weekly for you to be happy that they are prioritizing his development? It seems like it’s gone from he can’t run the scout team and needs the first team reps to now I guess he just needs some of the first team reps? In all seriousness, do you think Maye has improved throughout camp? If the answer is yes and he’s barely played first team reps then I’m not sure why you’re worried about his continued progress. Drills, meetings, film work, learning the playbook and reps against our first team defense will all help him improve. Literally things like getting a feel for how quickly passing windows change in the NFL are things he’ll learn by playing against our first team defense in practice. Maybe the real question is this: Do you think Drake Maye would benefit more from running scout team or taking first team reps? Because the highest priority for this organization is “do the thing that benefits Drake Maye’s development.” Surely, we can find some common ground here. Note: not trying to trap with the question. Maybe playing against 1st team defense would be more beneficial to him. I hadn’t thought of that. Mostly because it seems like the staff has inferred that he Jacoby knows the offense best and that’s why he’s the starter.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 30, 2024 15:42:40 GMT -5
Well you’re either poorly articulating your argument or you continue to adjust it as you get pushback. How many first team reps does Maye have to get weekly for you to be happy that they are prioritizing his development? It seems like it’s gone from he can’t run the scout team and needs the first team reps to now I guess he just needs some of the first team reps? In all seriousness, do you think Maye has improved throughout camp? If the answer is yes and he’s barely played first team reps then I’m not sure why you’re worried about his continued progress. Drills, meetings, film work, learning the playbook and reps against our first team defense will all help him improve. Literally things like getting a feel for how quickly passing windows change in the NFL are things he’ll learn by playing against our first team defense in practice. Maybe the real question is this: Do you think Drake Maye would benefit more from running scout team or taking first team reps? Because the highest priority for this organization is “do the thing that benefits Drake Maye’s development.” Surely, we can find some common ground here. Note: not trying to trap with the question. Maybe playing against 1st team defense would be more beneficial to him. I hadn’t thought of that. Mostly because it seems like the staff has inferred that he Jacoby knows the offense best and that’s why he’s the starter. I think what they are seemingly doing with Drake Maye is best for his development. I don’t think changing the way you run a football team and putting a player with the first team in practice and then not playing him is good for a football team and putting Maye in the spot where he’s the reason they are doing that isn’t good for his future leadership of this group. There’s a lot that goes into being a winning QB in the NFL.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 30, 2024 16:51:45 GMT -5
Anderson released from IR. Bolden to PS official. Also LB Ochaun Mathis to PS.
2 spots on PS (they get extra bc of Jotham Russell being IPP)
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Post by philarhody on Aug 30, 2024 21:09:38 GMT -5
Maybe the real question is this: Do you think Drake Maye would benefit more from running scout team or taking first team reps? Because the highest priority for this organization is “do the thing that benefits Drake Maye’s development.” Surely, we can find some common ground here. Note: not trying to trap with the question. Maybe playing against 1st team defense would be more beneficial to him. I hadn’t thought of that. Mostly because it seems like the staff has inferred that he Jacoby knows the offense best and that’s why he’s the starter. I think what they are seemingly doing with Drake Maye is best for his development. I don’t think changing the way you run a football team and putting a player with the first team in practice and then not playing him is good for a football team and putting Maye in the spot where he’s the reason they are doing that isn’t good for his future leadership of this group. There’s a lot that goes into being a winning QB in the NFL. Yeah, I don’t think that it would hurt his future leadership of the team. But we can agree to disagree at this point. Thanks for clarifying!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2024 9:34:55 GMT -5
If you want Drake Maye getting starter practice reps, only logic argument is calling for him to start. I don't agree, but that's a legit argument that can be made and debated. Everything else isn't logical.
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Post by costpet on Sept 1, 2024 7:55:28 GMT -5
Hoping at some point Wallis made the practice squad. He looked the best return man on kicks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2024 10:30:14 GMT -5
Something had to happen, report right after his release he was unlikely to resign to practice squad. He's now working out for Giants, it's unlikely he's back. Maybe some sport reporters can figure out why.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 2, 2024 16:48:19 GMT -5
Pats sign Joe Giles-Harris (LB) and Yvandy Rigby (LB) to practice squad. Not sure what they see in Rigby. Pff says 6'2 225. Pats Pulpit says 6'1 235. Draftscout says 6'0 239 draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=1052577&DraftYear=2024He played 4 years at Temple and was pretty mediocre there. Pff grades Year/Snaps/RDef/Prush/Cover 2023/419/39.0/63.6/70.5 2022/443/65.8/62.7/63.8 2021/319/51.3/85.0/60.1 2020/107/57.3/00.0/56.0 He was not really used as a pass rusher. Around 20 snaps per year. Bal signed him as a Udfa.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 2, 2024 20:12:47 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Sept 2, 2024 23:50:43 GMT -5
BOB leading BC to a big win against FSU in his first game
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