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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 3, 2024 11:46:55 GMT -5
The Patriots do have a ton of LBers on 53 man roster and practice squad. You get the two pass rushers on practice squad, I don't get the rest though, especially with another one on Pup to start the year. Kinda surprised they didn't go after another pass rushing Edge, like KJ Henry or someone like him.
It seems rather clear they want to play younger players to see what they have over going after veterans. Which is the right play if they can get the OL halfway decent, but we haven't seen that yet. Not even close.
Cole Strange timeline was basically him missing 4 to 8 games, half a season was the high mark listed when he had surgery. Given the practice time he'll need and zero reports on him being close, mid-season is looking like the date. Which just sucks, this is the type of system where he could flourish.
They didn't go after Connor Williams, who can play OG/OC at a high level and zero of the veteran OT. Let's hope this doesn't led to Maye playing before he should on the NFL worst line.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 3, 2024 11:55:09 GMT -5
BOB leading BC to a big win against FSU in his first game Good for him, not good for my Notre Dame team, FSU was the third rank team on their schedule and now are unlikely to be. Always said he was a better coach than OC, unreal hire for BC. UMass needs someone like him and quickly. No better way for Josh McDaniels to change the narrative on his head coaching abilities than UMass. He really needs it if he really wants to become an NFL HC again. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 3, 2024 14:49:03 GMT -5
The Patriots do have a ton of LBers on 53 man roster and practice squad. You get the two pass rushers on practice squad, I don't get the rest though, especially with another one on Pup to start the year. Kinda surprised they didn't go after another pass rushing Edge, like KJ Henry or someone like him. It seems rather clear they want to play younger players to see what they have over going after veterans. Which is the right play if they can get the OL halfway decent, but we haven't seen that yet. Not even close. Cole Strange timeline was basically him missing 4 to 8 games, half a season was the high mark listed when he had surgery. Given the practice time he'll need and zero reports on him being close, mid-season is looking like the date. Which just sucks, this is the type of system where he could flourish. They didn't go after Connor Williams, who can play OG/OC at a high level and zero of the veteran OT. Let's hope this doesn't led to Maye playing before he should on the NFL worst line. For the practice squad, other than a couple pieces for depth, I’d rather the rest of the spots just go to the best talent to develop regardless of their position. Of course we could just be experiencing Mayo being biased for LBs as a former one. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 3, 2024 18:22:45 GMT -5
The Patriots do have a ton of LBers on 53 man roster and practice squad. You get the two pass rushers on practice squad, I don't get the rest though, especially with another one on Pup to start the year. Kinda surprised they didn't go after another pass rushing Edge, like KJ Henry or someone like him. It seems rather clear they want to play younger players to see what they have over going after veterans. Which is the right play if they can get the OL halfway decent, but we haven't seen that yet. Not even close. Cole Strange timeline was basically him missing 4 to 8 games, half a season was the high mark listed when he had surgery. Given the practice time he'll need and zero reports on him being close, mid-season is looking like the date. Which just sucks, this is the type of system where he could flourish. They didn't go after Connor Williams, who can play OG/OC at a high level and zero of the veteran OT. Let's hope this doesn't led to Maye playing before he should on the NFL worst line. For the practice squad, other than a couple pieces for depth, I’d rather the rest of the spots just go to the best talent to develop regardless of their position. Of course we could just be experiencing Mayo being biased for LBs as a former one. In that case Eliot Wolf, who has the final roster decision-making authority, would have to be the one with the "bias" (which seems a silly thing to claim) you allude to. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 3, 2024 18:37:14 GMT -5
For the practice squad, other than a couple pieces for depth, I’d rather the rest of the spots just go to the best talent to develop regardless of their position. Of course we could just be experiencing Mayo being biased for LBs as a former one. In that case Eliot Wolf, who has the final roster decision-making authority, would have to be the one with the "bias" (which seems a silly thing to claim) you allude to. This is a fair point and my brain is probably still on the coach and GM being the same person. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 3, 2024 19:04:33 GMT -5
I wasn't even thinking about Mayo being a LB, that's legit. GM and coach work together, one might have final say, but if Wolf isn't taking Mayo input seriously, we have big issues.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 3, 2024 20:07:54 GMT -5
www.si.com/nfl/takeaways-brandon-aiyuk-49ers-negotiations"Had the New England Patriots done a deal with the Niners for Aiyuk, and they were trying, the package was expected to be for a 2025 second-round pick, a ’26 fourth-rounder, and a player—the Niners asked for Kendrick Bourne, who played for San Francisco from 2017–20 and is still making his way back from a torn ACL. New England put two contract proposals in front of Aiyuk. One averaged $30 million over three years, and the other exceeded $32 million per year over four years." That would have been a good deal for the Pats. But Aiyuk didn't really want to leave SF. Understandable. That is a very good team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 4, 2024 13:25:31 GMT -5
This whole thing is crazy because he literally took the deal 49ers offered months ago.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 4, 2024 13:51:39 GMT -5
K'Lavon Chaisson was released, he'd be a good edge player for practice squad. I don't know if this current coaching staff can maximize players strengths and minimize their weaknesses like Bill could, but I'd like to see if they can.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 4, 2024 17:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by rasimon on Sept 4, 2024 17:35:05 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 4, 2024 17:42:38 GMT -5
For a rebuilding team that frankly probably won't be very good either way Farley is maybe worth a flier. His potential coming out of college was sky high, if he can somehow stay healthy and get some reps under his belt you never know.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2024 12:35:58 GMT -5
If Farley looks good sign him to the practice squad. I'm not very hopeful given basically a 100 snaps played since 2019. But it's very low risk.
Caleb Jones worries me,first adding even more OL guys isn't good and 2nd reports from Packers aren't very good. They gave him a lot of time to develop and he didn't. But whatever, it's the practice squad and you should be shuffling through a bunch of players.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2024 12:45:52 GMT -5
Anyone catch the Felger and Mazz clip about Patriots tanking?
Felger not surprisingly thinks they are tanking and this is year two of it.
Mazz more in middle, maybe not full on tanking but making yourself so bad you tank without fully tanking. Brings up the Judon trade right before the season.
So what are your thoughts? Are they tanking? Or semi tanking due to things like Judon trade or not tanking at all, just rebuilding.
I'm in the middle, semi tank/ rebuilding. I think they'll try to win games, but struggle to do it given talent level.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 5, 2024 12:50:34 GMT -5
Anyone catch the Felger and Mazz clip about Patriots tanking? Felger not surprisingly thinks they are tanking and this is year two of it. Mazz more in middle, maybe not full on tanking but making yourself so bad you tank without fully tanking. Brings up the Judon trade right before the season. So what are your thoughts? Are they tanking? Or semi tanking due to things like Judon trade or not tanking at all, just rebuilding. I'm in the middle, semi tank/ rebuilding. I think they'll try to win games, but struggle to do it given talent level. Probably just being realistic more than anything, sure they have a lot of cap space but generally you're not going to build a competitive roster out of just FAs and if you manage it won't be one that lasts that long. I think it's a rebuild that yes they are probably in year two or three of. I don't believe anyone in the NFL actively tanks. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 5, 2024 16:38:44 GMT -5
Anyone catch the Felger and Mazz clip about Patriots tanking? Felger not surprisingly thinks they are tanking and this is year two of it. Mazz more in middle, maybe not full on tanking but making yourself so bad you tank without fully tanking. Brings up the Judon trade right before the season. So what are your thoughts? Are they tanking? Or semi tanking due to things like Judon trade or not tanking at all, just rebuilding. I'm in the middle, semi tank/ rebuilding. I think they'll try to win games, but struggle to do it given talent level. I think you should only tank in the NFL until you got the QB you want. You can get talent everywhere in the draft, but QB you might need a high pick. They got the franchise QB, so I don’t think a full tank is in the plans. Maybe just be bad enough to get an elite OT next draft. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 5, 2024 17:10:28 GMT -5
Anyone catch the Felger and Mazz clip about Patriots tanking? Felger not surprisingly thinks they are tanking and this is year two of it. Mazz more in middle, maybe not full on tanking but making yourself so bad you tank without fully tanking. Brings up the Judon trade right before the season. So what are your thoughts? Are they tanking? Or semi tanking due to things like Judon trade or not tanking at all, just rebuilding. I'm in the middle, semi tank/ rebuilding. I think they'll try to win games, but struggle to do it given talent level. I think you should only tank in the NFL until you got the QB you want. You can get talent everywhere in the draft, but QB you might need a high pick. They got the franchise QB, so I don’t think a full tank is in the plans. Maybe just be bad enough to get an elite OT next draft. Actually, if there is another elite QB prospect in this draft it would give you incredible options if you tanked. If you are worried about Maye's progression or think this kid is that much better you get to try again right away. If you believe in Maye and he looks good, you can trade that pick for a kings ransom and in all liklihood still get a top LT in the draft. I think a tank would set up the Patriots very nicely. With that said, if they fully embraced the tank, Zappe would be the QB. I'm kind of more with Mazz. I think they're not trying to win and seeing what young guys work while developing Maye. I think they'll have pick 1 or 2 and that's their expectation, but they're not purposefully throwing games. It's a developmental year. Trading Judon does not help this year. I love the value in return because I didn't think he was part of their future. The Patriots agreed, but were content with him playing out his contract and he wanted an extension. So, as to not poison the locker room, they moved him. I thought they should have moved him just to move him, but the outcome is agreeable. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 5, 2024 17:33:21 GMT -5
Re: Tanking:
The owner is 83 and has not recently shown an affinity for delayed gratification (he got busted in a massage parlor, of all places!).
NFL careers are short -- how do you "build a culture" while telling your core players you're okay discarding a year of their career?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2024 17:34:04 GMT -5
I don't think the Patriots tanked last year, switch to Zappe got you two more wins. You are rebuilding though.
I'd say Washington clearly tanked last year, traded top two DE and kept playing Howell the last 7 games when his QB rating was 52.2. If they weren't tanking you switch to Brissett who was playing very well and a lot of people wanted them to do that. That's the thing about tanking in the NFL, it usually not a full year thing.
I do think Patriots are semi tanking/rebuilding. Trading Judon after Barmore injury is a tanking move, even if you can justify it.
I don't think Mayo is trying to tank, almost no coach does that. It's the GM.
Should they fully tank by NFL trade deadline? That all depends on how things go, what you can get for players and frankly who's available. You can't rule out buying if the right trade is available either, even if it's unlikely. There's benefits to both sides, you just can't hurt Mayes development.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2024 17:35:05 GMT -5
I think you should only tank in the NFL until you got the QB you want. You can get talent everywhere in the draft, but QB you might need a high pick. They got the franchise QB, so I don’t think a full tank is in the plans. Maybe just be bad enough to get an elite OT next draft. Actually, if there is another elite QB prospect in this draft it would give you incredible options if you tanked. If you are worried about Maye's progression or think this kid is that much better you get to try again right away. If you believe in Maye and he looks good, you can trade that pick for a kings ransom and in all liklihood still get a top LT in the draft. I think a tank would set up the Patriots very nicely. With that said, if they fully embraced the tank, Zappe would be the QB. I'm kind of more with Mazz. I think they're not trying to win and seeing what young guys work while developing Maye. I think they'll have pick 1 or 2 and that's their expectation, but they're not purposefully throwing games. It's a developmental year. Trading Judon does not help this year. I love the value in return because I didn't think he was part of their future. The Patriots agreed, but were content with him playing out his contract and he wanted an extension. So, as to not poison the locker room, they moved him. I thought they should have moved him just to move him, but the outcome is agreeable. No, full on tanking day one is starting Milton. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 5, 2024 17:52:35 GMT -5
Actually, if there is another elite QB prospect in this draft it would give you incredible options if you tanked. If you are worried about Maye's progression or think this kid is that much better you get to try again right away. If you believe in Maye and he looks good, you can trade that pick for a kings ransom and in all liklihood still get a top LT in the draft. I think a tank would set up the Patriots very nicely. With that said, if they fully embraced the tank, Zappe would be the QB. I'm kind of more with Mazz. I think they're not trying to win and seeing what young guys work while developing Maye. I think they'll have pick 1 or 2 and that's their expectation, but they're not purposefully throwing games. It's a developmental year. Trading Judon does not help this year. I love the value in return because I didn't think he was part of their future. The Patriots agreed, but were content with him playing out his contract and he wanted an extension. So, as to not poison the locker room, they moved him. I thought they should have moved him just to move him, but the outcome is agreeable. No, full on tanking day one is starting Milton. Can't make it that obvious. |
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Post by rasimon on Sept 5, 2024 20:12:19 GMT -5
Anyone catch the Felger and Mazz clip about Patriots tanking? Felger not surprisingly thinks they are tanking and this is year two of it. Mazz more in middle, maybe not full on tanking but making yourself so bad you tank without fully tanking. Brings up the Judon trade right before the season. So what are your thoughts? Are they tanking? Or semi tanking due to things like Judon trade or not tanking at all, just rebuilding. I'm in the middle, semi tank/ rebuilding. I think they'll try to win games, but struggle to do it given talent level. I think you should only tank in the NFL until you got the QB you want. You can get talent everywhere in the draft, but QB you might need a high pick. They got the franchise QB, so I don’t think a full tank is in the plans. Maybe just be bad enough to get an elite OT next draft. What elite OT would they be targetting? It does not look like a strong group at this point. Granted its still very early, but as of right now, next years draft looks extemely D heavy. The time to tank was late last year (like vs PIT and DEN) when they were already out of the playoff hunt and the draft had a bunch of blue chippers on the O side. I doubt they are intentionally tanking from the start...they are just going to suck. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 5, 2024 20:17:05 GMT -5
I think you should only tank in the NFL until you got the QB you want. You can get talent everywhere in the draft, but QB you might need a high pick. They got the franchise QB, so I don’t think a full tank is in the plans. Maybe just be bad enough to get an elite OT next draft. What elite OT would they be targetting? It does not look like a strong group at this point. Granted its still very early, but as of right now, next years draft looks extemely D heavy. Will Campbell LSU |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 5, 2024 20:46:42 GMT -5
I think you should only tank in the NFL until you got the QB you want. You can get talent everywhere in the draft, but QB you might need a high pick. They got the franchise QB, so I don’t think a full tank is in the plans. Maybe just be bad enough to get an elite OT next draft. What elite OT would they be targetting? It does not look like a strong group at this point. Granted its still very early, but as of right now, next years draft looks extemely D heavy. The time to tank was late last year (like vs PIT and DEN) when they were already out of the playoff hunt and the draft had a bunch of blue chippers on the O side. I doubt they are intentionally tanking from the start...they are just going to suck. Everything I've read says Campbell from lsu and banks from TX have the look of franchise caliber LTs. We'll see come next draft time but I'm sure there will be plenty of options at T if they're hell bent on getting a T. |
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Post by rasimon on Sept 5, 2024 20:48:25 GMT -5
Pretty much everyone had Will Campbell or Kelvin Banks 1, 2 or 2, 1 this preseason but I wouldnt put either of them in the Alt category, at least not yet.
Campbell is 6'6, but stands very upright giving away leverage. He also has short arms - rumored to be sub 33. He does have good hand placement, he moves pretty well, and he seems to know what he is doing. PFFs last year run 84.9 pass 77.9.
Banks is a bit shorter but better arm length. He seems to be much stronger in pass protection than run blocking. PFFs last year run 68.4 pass 86.8.
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