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Post by texs31 on Sept 13, 2024 5:57:55 GMT -5
It happens every year so the timing isn't that concerning by itself.
Obviously, until he signs there is always a chance of a problem. And maybe it IS a thing. Just saying RFA signings often linger very late into the offseason.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 17, 2024 7:41:03 GMT -5
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 20, 2024 18:18:40 GMT -5
And this is why Swayman should have been signed before Ullmark was traded. They could have structured the deal so it did not kick in until this year. They had some leverage with Ullmark while he was still in-house and they have none now, and well here we are. I call that common sense. We can go from having 2 top 6 goalies or so in the league to a best one top 20 and I think I'm being WAY to generous. No matter how you slice it that's bad negotiations by management. If they had a gentleman agreement and Swayman broke that, that would be the only way this is acceptable from the perspective of the Bruins management.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 21, 2024 14:48:25 GMT -5
I know you didn't love the return on the Ullmark trade. It would have been drastically worse (ie Bruins having to add a sweetener to move his deal) if they had tried to sign Sway 1st.
Cap compliance is the ultimate leverage.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Sept 22, 2024 9:53:46 GMT -5
Is Jeremy Swayman and his agent Lewis Gross reading the room. The Bruins value players who put the team first and respect their 100 year culture. Swayman is an excellent goalie with a tremendous future however he is not at the top of the list yet. Prove it first before you ask for the moon. The longer this drags on the better chance the Bruins trade Swayman. This is the same agent Torey Krug had in 2020 and we know what happened to Torey... A good deal for both sides is in the 7x4 year range.
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Post by cdj on Sept 23, 2024 7:38:13 GMT -5
Wotherspoon won a fight so he is no longer my worst fighter in the league. Good for him. Dude hit him late earlier in the game so he dummied him later on
Really liked Kastelic’s game. Kuntar too. They’ll be very physical and annoying to play against. Need more from Lysell if he wants to win a spot on the team, though he did have a good back check at the end
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 23, 2024 17:15:09 GMT -5
I know you didn't love the return on the Ullmark trade. It would have been drastically worse (ie Bruins having to add a sweetener to move his deal) if they had tried to sign Sway 1st. Cap compliance is the ultimate leverage. Well the Ulmark trade was a season to late. He would have commanded a lot more after winning the Vezina and with another year on his existing contract AND I said this before-hand not after, hindsight criticism are not worth anything. Also like I said in my last post they could have negotiated the deal so that it had no cap implications until this season kicked in. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 23, 2024 17:17:47 GMT -5
Is Jeremy Swayman and his agent Lewis Gross reading the room. The Bruins value players who put the team first and respect their 100 year culture. Swayman is an excellent goalie with a tremendous future however he is not at the top of the list yet. Prove it first before you ask for the moon. The longer this drags on the better chance the Bruins trade Swayman. This is the same agent Torey Krug had in 2020 and we know what happened to Torey... A good deal for both sides is in the 7x4 year range. Oh come on with the the Bruins value, putting the team first, all teams due and that translates directly to willing to sign below the market value. He may never have the leverage he has now and he is one of the best players at his position in the league stop cheaping out and pay him his market value, high 8's per year. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 23, 2024 17:29:36 GMT -5
I heardthe Bruins offered him 6m a year. I dont know why this wasnt already figured out before Sweeney made the goalie trade. By the way I dont know about that deal.
Can we put Sweeney on the hot seat this year.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2024 10:51:44 GMT -5
Sure sounds like Boston has a 64M dollar offer on the table (8x8 as many suggested) to Swayman. Makes me think a couple of things:
1. The B's had every reason to believe this would/could get done quicker and/or
2. This isn't about overall contract value. Maybe Swayman wants a shorter deal so he can hit FA again as the cap goes up. OR it's something else (NTC/NMC).
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2024 11:46:04 GMT -5
I may need to recall the post since other comments made suggest that Swayman IS looking for more (saying he was "surprised" by Swayman's ask).
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Post by cdj on Sept 30, 2024 14:05:11 GMT -5
Yeah if there’s an 8x8 offer and that’s not enough then Swayman needs to fire his agent. I wouldn’t budge on that, he has no leverage and that’s more than fair considering he hasn’t ever even been “the guy” yet
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2024 14:35:25 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of tweets about his agent, Lewis Gross. Looks like he's been involved in some highly contentious negotiations and William Nylander, for one, had some comments that suggested he wished he had been more involved from the start.
After Neely's comments, @bruinscapspace wondered whether Sway knows that that offer is on the table. Gross' history suggests he might not.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2024 20:24:28 GMT -5
The troubling part is Bruins GM saying they are still far apart, that's crazy if an 8 year at 8 million offer is on the table. Yeah I'd dig in also if I was the GM.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2024 20:25:01 GMT -5
So Gross is calling Neely a liar which is absurd.
Either Neely is telling the truth or he just VERY publicly upped their offer.
Feels like Gross needs to explain to Sway why he a) hasn't heard if this before or b)shouldn't sign it now.
Given his history, I'm now even more convinced Sway didn't know. He does now and the agent is likely trying to not get fired.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Oct 1, 2024 11:41:56 GMT -5
Now that the offer is 8X8 as reported by Cam Neely in yesterday's press conference, the ball is in Swayman's court. If Swayman wants to play for the Bruins, then he needs to compromise (against his agent's wishes) and sign the Bruins offer. If not, then be prepared to sit out the year or get traded to another team whereby there is no guarantee that the new team will meet his salary demands.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 1, 2024 13:24:37 GMT -5
I'm questioning whether HE would think it's a compromise. If we found out this is the first he's hearing of an offer anywhere close to that, I wouldn't be stunned.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 1, 2024 14:01:56 GMT -5
Let's remember that same press conference were Cam dropped the 64 million offer, he also said he was trying to reset the market at goalie. Carey Price hasn't played in years, so next one would me over 10 million a season. The problem is, you don't get reset the market deals with zero full seasons being the GUY! He could have taken a one year deal through arbitration and then had the whole league bidding, he turned that down.
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Post by bishop on Oct 1, 2024 14:06:30 GMT -5
So Gross is calling Neely a liar which is absurd. Either Neely is telling the truth or he just VERY publicly upped their offer. Feels like Gross needs to explain to Sway why he a) hasn't heard if this before or b)shouldn't sign it now. Given his history, I'm now even more convinced Sway didn't know. He does now and the agent is likely trying to not get fired. Is it absurd? I know some players stay far away from negotiations (I believe Jordan Montgomery for one said as much after last winter's saga) but I find it hard to believe Swayman had no idea 8x8 was on the table if it really was, or the team couldn't just include him on a group text or get that message to him if they thought the agent was hiding things from his client. I don't trust either side at this point, and negotiating through the media is a really bad look. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 1, 2024 14:19:29 GMT -5
Walk me through the "Neely is lying" scenario and explain to me how it makes sense?
He's either telling the truth or the agent just got a concession from the team on video/audio. It doesn't serve Neely any purpose to lie.
You can find it hard to believe but William Nylander basically admitted that Gross has done it before so . . . (supposedly Gaudreau also had to step in to get a deal done bc it wasn't working with team/agent).
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Post by texs31 on Oct 1, 2024 14:25:35 GMT -5
By the way, I'm done with "bad looks". Millions and millions of dollars are at stake in sports. Our opinions about good and bad looks should mean absolutely squat.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 2, 2024 16:06:54 GMT -5
I was hoping Lysell would make team but I have feeling he is coming up this year sooner or later. The thing with Offensive talented players they always lack defensive skill to some point. I believe to clean up there defensive shortcomings is always at the pro level because the minors only take you so far. Plus they learn playing with the veterans . My opinion. Not to make a comparision but Pasta knock was also defensive shortcomings I believe players like Bergeron helped him get better. I know Julien could not stand that part of his short comings.
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Post by finaliz3d on Oct 5, 2024 19:41:46 GMT -5
So, with preseason over, who makes the team?
For me, assuming Swayman is still unsigned and Poitras is healthy day one:
Zacha-Lindholm-Pastrnak
Marchand-Coyle-Poitras
Frederic-Beecher-Brazeau
Koepke-Johnson-Geekie
Kastelic
Tufte
Zadorov-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Lohrei-Peeke
Wotherspoon
Korpisalo
Bussi
Depth is a bit weak, but I like how Tufte, Koepeke, Johnson, and Poitras when he was healthy, played. Lysell played well, honestly better than Geekie, but you're not going to call Lysell up to play him on the 4th line. I think Lysell will get a shot and will stick with this team eventually.
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Post by cdj on Oct 5, 2024 20:10:53 GMT -5
So, with preseason over, who makes the team? For me, assuming Swayman is still unsigned and Poitras is healthy day one: Zacha-Lindholm-Pastrnak Marchand-Coyle-Poitras Frederic-Beecher-Brazeau Koepke-Johnson-Geekie Kastelic Tufte Zadorov-McAvoy Lindholm-Carlo Lohrei-Peeke Wotherspoon Korpisalo Bussi Depth is a bit weak, but I like how Tufte, Koepeke, Johnson, and Poitras when he was healthy, played. Lysell played well, honestly better than Geekie, but you're not going to call Lysell up to play him on the 4th line. I think Lysell will get a shot and will stick with this team eventually. I don’t think you’ll see Johnson at center, he didn’t really play much center in Chicago his first two years there and last year he only kinda played it here and there. I’d much prefer Kastelic in that 4C spot, good faceoff guy whereas Johnson is not (and is undersized without much physicality) |
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Post by finaliz3d on Oct 5, 2024 20:20:31 GMT -5
So, with preseason over, who makes the team? For me, assuming Swayman is still unsigned and Poitras is healthy day one: Zacha-Lindholm-Pastrnak Marchand-Coyle-Poitras Frederic-Beecher-Brazeau Koepke-Johnson-Geekie Kastelic Tufte Zadorov-McAvoy Lindholm-Carlo Lohrei-Peeke Wotherspoon Korpisalo Bussi Depth is a bit weak, but I like how Tufte, Koepeke, Johnson, and Poitras when he was healthy, played. Lysell played well, honestly better than Geekie, but you're not going to call Lysell up to play him on the 4th line. I think Lysell will get a shot and will stick with this team eventually. I don’t think you’ll see Johnson at center, he didn’t really play much center in Chicago his first two years there and last year he only kinda played it here and there. I’d much prefer Kastelic in that 4C spot, good faceoff guy whereas Johnson is not (and is undersized without much physicality) Definitely possible, I just know they've really liked Johnson, so I think he's going to get a lineup spot, and Johnson probably isn't getting a RW spot unless Poitras is indeed the 3C and Geekie is the 2RW (yuck) |
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