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cdj
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Post by cdj on Jun 23, 2024 20:08:46 GMT -5
Brissett has declined his player option. Not overly surprised but a bit disappointed. Jordan Walsh szn Brissett could conceivably come back though, probably just wants to see if he can get more than minimum |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2024 20:35:10 GMT -5
The hope with Brissett was his 3 point shot bounced back, instead it got worse, along with his FT shooting. If you want D and rebounding, I'd like to see Walsh get minutes. Otherwise you should have given him a two-way contract.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2024 20:38:24 GMT -5
Fair point, but you certainly would hate not using that $2 million option with around a $15 million increase over 2nd tax level from last year, maybe more. Then things set to explode next year So what do you offer him? I honestly have no clue, I’m not comfortable enough with this new CBA to know what even makes sense or where our owners are willing to go. That being said, structure wise, I’ve seen some say a declining salary type deal could make sense for future cap years. I’m truly at a loss for what can and should be done. It’s a weird feeling. As a fan, I just hope they keep these guys together considering their ages and the window they have. I’ll worry about the 2030s later. We are heading down luxury tax hell for years, it's basically how much is the owner willing to stomach. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 24, 2024 12:58:12 GMT -5
Ok, the best thing just happened for next year’s team. Now we can watch in complete peace knowing they are champions. We can enjoy the ride without doubt. just as I have for the past 3. Right. I guess I consume sports differently than many of y'all -- I don't need validation of a team's worth for me to enjoy their performances. When they play good team basketball, win or lose, I enjoy watching. I enjoy it more when they win because as Herm Edwards says, That's why they play. Plus I assume that's meaningful for the players, and they just entertained me for 2 1/2 hours, so let them enjoy a meaningful win. Ditto for winning a title. My life changes exactly zero. I neither gain nor lose. But I am happy for the players on my chosen team -- I assume their life improves in some meaningful way, so good for them. It feels good that strangers who I have come to admire & like receive rewards for their efforts that I have enjoyed watching. Good for them. Beyond that, I don't get the fuss. Truly. I heard a guy (celebrity caller who calls all the shows) on SiriusXM call in the Tuesday morning after the Celtics won the title and pronounce, "I am a champion!" The hosts indulged him; I'm not sure why. He's a dude living in Chicago that best I can guess never even attended a game -- what hand did he have in the Celtics winning? What makes him a champion? I guess I need listen to less of that sort of thing or maybe just think less about it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2024 14:45:51 GMT -5
Fun fact of the day, last 7 NBA drafts have seen 2nd round international picks do basically nothing! 2016 Zubac 39.6 WS, 2015 Osman 12.5 WS and Hernangomez 16.3 WS and 2014 Jokic the best 2nd round pick ever 111.6 WS. I'm not counting American players that skipped college and went overseas for a year.
The majority don't even come to NBA, those that do and struggle take off quickly back to international teams. I believe Jokic has made teams take similar type in the first and thus the 2nd round is basically nothing. Yet for 7 years teams continue to use a ton of picks on international players, while getting nothing in return. Maybe it's just some fluke, but it was eye opening. Especially considering the amount of talent to come out of the 2nd round and undrafted guys the last ten years.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2024 17:36:42 GMT -5
With two days to go, looking at recent mocks, everyone shows us being able to draft one of 3 players Baylor Scheierman, Terrence Shannon Jr. or Jaylon Tyson. That would be rather amazing if it actually happens.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 24, 2024 18:47:29 GMT -5
With two days to go, looking at recent mocks, everyone shows us being able to draft one of 3 players Baylor Scheierman, Terrence Shannon Jr. or Jaylon Tyson. That would be rather amazing if it actually happens. The most likely scenario will be a trade back, unfortunately. Givony was on Lowe’s podcast explaining the benefits of numerous second round picks for teams over the second apron. open.spotify.com/episode/1qjEyNoVuTYQf8Uh2XyDZD?si=1svKaCv6TSe4NLpoqluNuQ |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 24, 2024 19:32:06 GMT -5
With two days to go, looking at recent mocks, everyone shows us being able to draft one of 3 players Baylor Scheierman, Terrence Shannon Jr. or Jaylon Tyson. That would be rather amazing if it actually happens. I kinda like Cam Christie too |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2024 21:32:08 GMT -5
With two days to go, looking at recent mocks, everyone shows us being able to draft one of 3 players Baylor Scheierman, Terrence Shannon Jr. or Jaylon Tyson. That would be rather amazing if it actually happens. The most likely scenario will be a trade back, unfortunately. Givony was on Lowe’s podcast explaining the benefits of numerous second round picks for teams over the second apron. open.spotify.com/episode/1qjEyNoVuTYQf8Uh2XyDZD?si=1svKaCv6TSe4NLpoqluNuQYeah for the Suns, who need to fill out a roster and have no upcoming picks. Stevens just did that last year and we have 6 firsts and 6 2nd round picks over the next 6 years. I won't say it's impossible if they want to take a raw guy it could make sense, I dont see it as most likely if one of those 3 guys is available. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 24, 2024 21:36:23 GMT -5
With two days to go, looking at recent mocks, everyone shows us being able to draft one of 3 players Baylor Scheierman, Terrence Shannon Jr. or Jaylon Tyson. That would be rather amazing if it actually happens. Think Shannon could be a really good bench scorer for us |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2024 21:39:00 GMT -5
With two days to go, looking at recent mocks, everyone shows us being able to draft one of 3 players Baylor Scheierman, Terrence Shannon Jr. or Jaylon Tyson. That would be rather amazing if it actually happens. I kinda like Cam Christie too You certainly have a type RJP and it's shooters. I do like him, it's a nice looking shot. He's also years away and needs to work on his body, so Stevens might love him. I don't pass on those 3 for him, but I do like him. It's really what do you want, more ready guys or shoot for the moon on upside. I just worry it could take him years to get his D up to par to make an impact on this team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2024 21:41:50 GMT -5
With two days to go, looking at recent mocks, everyone shows us being able to draft one of 3 players Baylor Scheierman, Terrence Shannon Jr. or Jaylon Tyson. That would be rather amazing if it actually happens. Think Shannon could be a really good bench scorer for us I crossed him off my board and finally went back and looked at him after he was found not guilty. Slasher, scorer, shooter, defender, loves the open court. It's funny my first thought was he screamed Pacers, given how they play at much a fast pace. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 25, 2024 6:00:36 GMT -5
I kinda like Cam Christie too You certainly have a type RJP and it's shooters. I do like him, it's a nice looking shot. He's also years away and needs to work on his body, so Stevens might love him. I don't pass on those 3 for him, but I do like him. It's really what do you want, more ready guys or shoot for the moon on upside. I just worry it could take him years to get his D up to par to make an impact on this team. Shooters and I’m not a fan of undersized guards. I make an exception for Pritchard because he plays bigger. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 25, 2024 6:11:44 GMT -5
Yeah for the Suns, who need to fill out a roster and have no upcoming picks. Stevens just did that last year and we have 6 firsts and 6 2nd round picks over the next 6 years. I won't say it's impossible if they want to take a raw guy it could make sense, I dont see it as most likely if one of those 3 guys is available. I would say Schierman is a possibility at 30 if he’s there. I just read a report yesterday that teams have said Boston is looking to move back. I’ll see if I can find it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 25, 2024 10:01:28 GMT -5
Yeah for the Suns, who need to fill out a roster and have no upcoming picks. Stevens just did that last year and we have 6 firsts and 6 2nd round picks over the next 6 years. I won't say it's impossible if they want to take a raw guy it could make sense, I dont see it as most likely if one of those 3 guys is available. I would say Schierman is a possibility at 30 if he’s there. I just read a report yesterday that teams have said Boston is looking to move back. I’ll see if I can find it. Givony is the one that reported Scheierman won't fall past pick 30. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 25, 2024 10:34:22 GMT -5
You certainly have a type RJP and it's shooters. I do like him, it's a nice looking shot. He's also years away and needs to work on his body, so Stevens might love him. I don't pass on those 3 for him, but I do like him. It's really what do you want, more ready guys or shoot for the moon on upside. I just worry it could take him years to get his D up to par to make an impact on this team. Shooters and I’m not a fan of undersized guards. I make an exception for Pritchard because he plays bigger. Well if you wanted a guy to replace Pritchard so you could trade him, I do love Jamal Shead. His stats besides steals and assists might not stand out, but watch some tape. Fast, athletic and 200 pounds. Takes shots like the Jays which is why his percentage is so low. He's tiny but he'd be a better defender than Pritchard easily. He's basically a faster, more athletic shorter version of Marcus Smart, who's a true PG. Kevin McCullar Jr. is the bigger SG version, who's probably more like Smart given he has much better size. If Stevens wants to trade down because we don't get lucky or some other reason. Those are guys I'd look at. I just love those first 3 because they are basically ready now, can all shoot and drive, while playing multiple positions. Players I can see being starting level players and doing that rather quickly. Two are good defenders and I think Scheierman can get a lot better. What are your thoughts on the Gordon Hayward clone from Kansas? He's been dropping and Furphy has great size for a SG, he's also likely years away. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 25, 2024 10:51:22 GMT -5
Shooters and I’m not a fan of undersized guards. I make an exception for Pritchard because he plays bigger. Well if you wanted a guy to replace Pritchard so you could trade him, I do love Jamal Shead. His stats besides steals and assists might not stand out, but watch some tape. Fast, athletic and 200 pounds. Takes shots like the Jays which is why his percentage is so low. He's tiny but he'd be a better defender than Pritchard easily. He's basically a faster, more athletic shorter version of Marcus Smart, who's a true PG. Kevin McCullar Jr. is the bigger SG version, who's probably more like Smart given he has much better size. If Stevens wants to trade down because we don't get lucky or some other reason. Those are guys I'd look at. I just love those first 3 because they are basically ready now, can all shoot and drive, while playing multiple positions. Players I can see being starting level players and doing that rather quickly. Two are good defenders and I think Scheierman can get a lot better. What are your thoughts on the Gordon Hayward clone from Kansas? He's been dropping and Furphy has great size for a SG, he's also likely years away. I don’t want to trade Pritchard, we have him for 4 more years at very reasonable money. IF they extend White and one or 2 of Hauser/Tilman, then I don’t think using a first round pick on a long term project makes a lot of sense for them. That’s where the trading back makes sense. If a guy falls that they think can contribute right away, then the first round guaranteed contract makes more sense in my mind. I’m will to change my mind on that but that’s my current feeling. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 25, 2024 13:59:13 GMT -5
I don't either and it's going to be hard to find a match, but when Horford retires that's your best asset right now. Backup PG are also a lot easier to find than a big to replace Horford
Ideally for me you go experienced player with first pick that will be able to help early. Then shoot for the moon on your next pick with a young guy and stick him in G-League for two years like Davison on a two way contract. It just depends how the draft falls, I'd have a hard time passing on guys like Oso with our 2nd pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 25, 2024 14:43:42 GMT -5
I don't either and it's going to be hard to find a match, but when Horford retires that's your best asset right now. Backup PG are also a lot easier to find than a big to replace Horford Ideally for me you go experienced player with first pick that will be able to help early. Then shoot for the moon on your next pick with a young guy and stick him in G-League for two years like Davison on a two way contract. It just depends how the draft falls, I'd have a hard time passing on guys like Oso with our 2nd pick. I think they sign Tillman and hope he can be the Horford guy. They’ll probably stockpile some bigs they can try to develop. They are in a rough spot trade wise, which is ok, but the reality: Pritchards salary isn’t high enough to bring back a great player and they can’t combine salaries so they are going to need a different way to get that guy. I think that was the impetus behind Tillman deal and why I think you’ll see him signed. He also said, he can’t wait to try and go back to back. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 25, 2024 19:40:57 GMT -5
I’ve seen a couple recent mocks that have Filipowski falling out of the first round. If the Celtics have a chance to draft him and choose not to; I’ll be pretty upset about it. That being said; i fully admit that I have no basis of being upset over anything, but identifying players you like is part of being a fan.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 25, 2024 21:02:59 GMT -5
Knicks going all in on Bridges.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 26, 2024 5:46:16 GMT -5
Knicks going all in on Bridges. It’s crazy but it may work; that’s a nice team but 5 firsts (basically 6) is a WOW move for a guy who may not even be a top 30 player… |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 26, 2024 6:01:40 GMT -5
Crazy interesting deal:
Sources: The Brooklyn Nets are trading a 2025 Suns pick swap, 2027 Suns first-rounder and a first-rounder and swap in 2029 to the Houston Rockets for their own 2025 pick swap and 2026 first-round from the James Harden trade.
Now Brooklyn can tank and Houston can deal for KD or Booker.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 26, 2024 9:25:30 GMT -5
Knicks going all in on Bridges. Why on earth did the Rockets do that trade? Do they seriously think they are one past their prime superstar away from contention? Edit: sorry, meant to quote RJP above. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 26, 2024 9:37:11 GMT -5
I don't either and it's going to be hard to find a match, but when Horford retires that's your best asset right now. Backup PG are also a lot easier to find than a big to replace Horford Ideally for me you go experienced player with first pick that will be able to help early. Then shoot for the moon on your next pick with a young guy and stick him in G-League for two years like Davison on a two way contract. It just depends how the draft falls, I'd have a hard time passing on guys like Oso with our 2nd pick. I think they sign Tillman and hope he can be the Horford guy. They’ll probably stockpile some bigs they can try to develop. They are in a rough spot trade wise, which is ok, but the reality: Pritchards salary isn’t high enough to bring back a great player and they can’t combine salaries so they are going to need a different way to get that guy. I think that was the impetus behind Tillman deal and why I think you’ll see him signed. He also said, he can’t wait to try and go back to back. I need to see a healthy Tillman in our system before I say that can work. I don't think anything happens this year, but a beat writers idea for Magic was trading pick 18 for Pritchard. They are losing two guards to free agency and he wanted his shooting. I do think you're onto something, it's going to be likely a collection of players to replace Horford, unless you do something risky. Let me put this another way, next year at this time when supermax for Tatum and new deal for white kick in. What if you can only keep one of Hauser and Pritchard? I know you want both, but these are likely questions that will need to be asked. |
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