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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2024 5:29:53 GMT -5
How do we figure that team is years away and even if they were adding a guy like Caruso to help the young team grow and compete at a high level is a great add. Caruso is just 30, one of the best defenders in the league and a knock down 3 point shooter. I’d want my young guys learning from guys like him. We just saw our team young studs grow and mature while having a team to compete at a high level and great vets like Al to learn from. Even having a guy like Marcus that helped set the tone on defense and stress that importance was big. Giddy is young but he’s a bad and lazy defender despite his size and he’s a pretty lousy shooter. There’s hope he gets better as his FT% is pretty good. This team also has cap space. Add another good veteran, they could be the favorite to come out of the west next year. They don’t give up picks in this deal, they gave up a young guy they had 3 years to evaluate to know he’s not in their long-term plans. Who has won a championship with its 2nd and 3rd best players being early 20s? Nevermind a team with the majority of the roster on rookie contracts. I don't have a problem with Caruso, he's a high-end role player. It's the cost, I would have traded a 1st and been happy with that. They have way too many picks and don't need more young players. Like what was said above if you wanted to move Giddy add some picks and get a better player. His 3 point shooting, FT shooting, win shares and win shares per 48 have improved for 3 straight years. It's like we forget age 21 Jaylen Brown I find it funny Boston is being praised for not trading it's young players and showing patience, this is the opposite of that. Like who? Who do you sign that has them winning the West? I just want to make sure i have the trade right; it was Giddy straight up for Caruso and no picks included right? Also, It is pretty ironic you and I are at opposite side of this argument as I’m a firm believer that young guys don’t win in the NBA. Their best player is 26 so Shai is entering his prime. They have Shai, Chet, Williams, Dort and Wallace as their young core. Giddy is in the last year of his deal; they cashed him in before having to pay him. Caruso will be good for the young guys and remember this squad still has cap space this year and assets. The more big games those young guys play in the better for their development. I guess it boils down to the fact that I don’t believe in Giddy.
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Post by cdj on Jun 22, 2024 8:03:57 GMT -5
Giddey had a tough season, I actually feel kinda bad for him. I’m sure the outside noise weighed on him but coming into the year he was looked at as a very high end young player
For the record the ppl that say he should be in jail and call him a pedophile have zero clue what they’re talking about. He took a girl home from a night club, she probably got in with a fake ID. It got investigated and he was fully cleared but still people give him the worst label you could possibly give somebody. Pretty unfair for a kid to have to go through that- he would be a college junior. It’s probably good for him to get a change of scenery
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Post by jmei on Jun 22, 2024 10:59:54 GMT -5
Giddey just isn’t very good. He can’t shoot and can’t consistently score at the rim, which means he won’t have the ball in his hands often enough to activate his passing. He’s not a good defender on top of that. He’s young and all of that can improve, but no guarantees it will and he just doesn’t contribute enough to winning today for a team with legitimate championship aspirations.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 22, 2024 11:44:39 GMT -5
I love how this is a Red Sox prospect website but I feel like the NBA conversations on here are some of the most interesting ones haha.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2024 11:50:07 GMT -5
Who has won a championship with its 2nd and 3rd best players being early 20s? Nevermind a team with the majority of the roster on rookie contracts. I don't have a problem with Caruso, he's a high-end role player. It's the cost, I would have traded a 1st and been happy with that. They have way too many picks and don't need more young players. Like what was said above if you wanted to move Giddy add some picks and get a better player. His 3 point shooting, FT shooting, win shares and win shares per 48 have improved for 3 straight years. It's like we forget age 21 Jaylen Brown I find it funny Boston is being praised for not trading it's young players and showing patience, this is the opposite of that. Like who? Who do you sign that has them winning the West? I just want to make sure i have the trade right; it was Giddy straight up for Caruso and no picks included right? Also, It is pretty ironic you and I are at opposite side of this argument as I’m a firm believer that young guys don’t win in the NBA. Their best player is 26 so Shai is entering his prime. They have Shai, Chet, Williams, Dort and Wallace as their young core. Giddy is in the last year of his deal; they cashed him in before having to pay him. Caruso will be good for the young guys and remember this squad still has cap space this year and assets. The more big games those young guys play in the better for their development. I guess it boils down to the fact that I don’t believe in Giddy. Yeah that's the trade. Sure their best player is and he like the rest of the team has won one playoff series in his career. Versus Warriors Tatum had been to 3 conference championships, Smart and Brown had been to four and you had Horford. Tatum was young at 23, but Smart was 27, Brown 25, Horford 35, White 27, R. Williams 24 and Pritchard 24. They are years away from having legit playoff experience and having the core be that old. The Celtics for their age was the most battle tested group in Modern Basketball. Caruso is also in the last year of his deal and literally just posted his first positive offensive box score of his career. First time playing in 70 games and 2,000 minutes, good for whopping 10 points a game. On a championship team he's coming off the bench, he's not White or Holiday for example. I love team ball movement Basketball and a player like Giddey can make that happen. It's not his fault the Thunder drafted a PG when they already have a franchise one. Guys going to be a walking triple double for years. Add has improved shooting for 3 straight years at age 21. Heck per 36 minutes he also averaged .9 steals and .9 blocks. Looking at free agents I see two guys that might have them as favorites to win the West next year and make the finals, LeBron James and Paul George. Again it wasn't trading him I have a problem with, it's who they traded him for.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 22, 2024 12:19:49 GMT -5
Giddey had a tough season, I actually feel kinda bad for him. I’m sure the outside noise weighed on him but coming into the year he was looked at as a very high end young player For the record the ppl that say he should be in jail and call him a pedophile have zero clue what they’re talking about. He took a girl home from a night club, she probably got in with a fake ID. It got investigated and he was fully cleared but still people give him the worst label you could possibly give somebody. Pretty unfair for a kid to have to go through that- he would be a college junior. It’s probably good for him to get a change of scenery This statement from the police ... ... does not "fully clear him." It means they were unable to gather sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute him, whether he be guilty of the wrong-doing or not. It is inconclusive. Of note: it's been reported the girl refused to be interviewed by police as did her parents, who are alleged to want the matter shut down. So maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I can't imagine vigorously defending him, or indicting him either, based on available evidence. But to repeat my mostly joking comment upthread, If I were a parent of a high school girl, I'd prefer he live in your city, not mine.
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Post by cdj on Jun 22, 2024 12:27:10 GMT -5
Giddey had a tough season, I actually feel kinda bad for him. I’m sure the outside noise weighed on him but coming into the year he was looked at as a very high end young player For the record the ppl that say he should be in jail and call him a pedophile have zero clue what they’re talking about. He took a girl home from a night club, she probably got in with a fake ID. It got investigated and he was fully cleared but still people give him the worst label you could possibly give somebody. Pretty unfair for a kid to have to go through that- he would be a college junior. It’s probably good for him to get a change of scenery This statement from the police ... ... does not "fully clear him." It means they were unable to gather sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute him, whether he be guilty of the wrong-doing or not. It is inconclusive. Of note: it's been reported the girl refused to be interviewed by police as did her parents, who are alleged to want the matter shut down. So maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I can't imagine vigorously defending him, or indicting him either, based on available evidence. But to repeat my mostly joking comment upthread, If I were a parent of a high school girl, I'd prefer he live in your city, not mine. You quoted them saying they couldn’t find any criminal activity lmao But whatever joke about stat rape if you want (what this would be), that is not my bag People compare him to Wander Franco and I just think that’s ridiculous, the discourse around him isn’t reasonable
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 22, 2024 12:37:34 GMT -5
They said they "could not corroborate." That is much different than "could not find any."
The high school girl DID post half-naked bedroom pictures of the adult NBA player to her social media account. Whether criminal activity occurred, or not, I STILL WOULD NOT WANT THAT CAT AROUND MY KIDS.
Sorry that offends you. Truly.
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Post by cdj on Jun 22, 2024 12:49:24 GMT -5
They said they "could not corroborate." That is much different than "could not find any." The high school girl DID post half-naked bedroom pictures of the adult NBA player to her social media account. Whether criminal activity occurred, or not, I STILL WOULD NOT WANT THAT CAT AROUND MY KIDS. Sorry that offends you. Truly. Gee it’s almost like the girl had a fake ID to get into a club and didn’t want to talk to the police about something very illegal she did. Pretty sure you get charged with a felony for having a fake depending on the state- edit: just checked, it’s a misdemeanor in CA but it’s punishable by up to 6 months in jail if law enforcement is involved. Maybe would not be charged as a minor but it’s certainly a crime! There was nothing to charge him for, you conveniently left out the part of their statement where they did a thorough and exhaustive search. Pretty sure he fully cooperated. But again make your statutory rape jokes if you must. Very cool. I guess I feel for him because this could happen to any college kid at a nightclub and I feel it’s unfair for him to be painted the way he has been painted
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2024 12:51:15 GMT -5
They said they "could not corroborate." That is much different than "could not find any." The high school girl DID post half-naked bedroom pictures of the adult NBA player to her social media account. Whether criminal activity occurred, or not, I STILL WOULD NOT WANT THAT CAT AROUND MY KIDS. Sorry that offends you. Truly. I’d be more concerned about your high school daughter sneaking into night clubs
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 22, 2024 13:38:53 GMT -5
They said they "could not corroborate." That is much different than "could not find any." The high school girl DID post half-naked bedroom pictures of the adult NBA player to her social media account. Whether criminal activity occurred, or not, I STILL WOULD NOT WANT THAT CAT AROUND MY KIDS. Sorry that offends you. Truly. I’d be more concerned about your high school daughter sneaking into night clubsThat would be a thing for a parent to be concerned about. But also they need be aware that predators -- and I am not attesting this fellow is such -- lurk in many unexpected places (a prominent pastor has been in the news this past week, for instance). Vigilance is needed, no matter how smart or mature or chaste the child.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2024 13:57:58 GMT -5
The Athletic draft guide dropped today and all it did was reiterate my Quinten Post love. 1000% should take him in the second round. There’s a good chance he washes out of the NBA because he can’t play enough defense. However, he’s a perfect fit for this teams offense as a 7+ footer who can shoot great from long range, pass well, even dribble enough to blow past a lousy close out and rebound. It’s so worth a second round pick to see if you can get any resemblance of passable defense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2024 16:00:03 GMT -5
The Athletic draft guide dropped today and all it did was reiterate my Quinten Post love. 1000% should take him in the second round. There’s a good chance he washes out of the NBA because he can’t play enough defense. However, he’s a perfect fit for this teams offense as a 7+ footer who can shoot great from long range, pass well, even dribble enough to blow past a lousy close out and rebound. It’s so worth a second round pick to see if you can get any resemblance of passable defense. Any chance D White signs an extension for 4/125.888? Wonder if we add player options for years 3 and 4, at least we lock him up for 3 more seasons…
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 22, 2024 16:05:03 GMT -5
The Athletic draft guide dropped today and all it did was reiterate my Quinten Post love. 1000% should take him in the second round. There’s a good chance he washes out of the NBA because he can’t play enough defense. However, he’s a perfect fit for this teams offense as a 7+ footer who can shoot great from long range, pass well, even dribble enough to blow past a lousy close out and rebound. It’s so worth a second round pick to see if you can get any resemblance of passable defense. Any chance D White signs an extension for 4/125.888? Wonder if we add player options for years 3 and 4, at least we lock him up for 3 more seasons… Hollinger wrote on the Celtics future last week; re D White:
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 22, 2024 19:48:00 GMT -5
Do people think Springer and Walsh could potentially be useful bench pieces or is that unlikely?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2024 21:44:08 GMT -5
Do people think Springer and Walsh could potentially be useful bench pieces or is that unlikely? Yes they could be for sure
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2024 9:13:43 GMT -5
What is wrong with The Athletic? Almost zero draft crap, one mock everything else was from last year. Then days before the draft you drop a book. That should have been out right after the combine! At least the password isn't crazy.
White has to decide if he wants the security of a long-term deal now or wait a year for a bigger deal. NBA stupid 40% raise on extensions, even though you own his full bird rights. It makes zero sense. I'll be glad if he takes it though.
Same with Houser, I see a bunch of talk about an Extension. You can only give him an extension starting at 40% raise, which he'd be stupid to take. His market value is likely 4-5 times that after that finals showing.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 23, 2024 9:26:36 GMT -5
Do people think Springer and Walsh could potentially be useful bench pieces or is that unlikely? I’m pretty high on Walsh’s potential as a role player. We’re hearing similar optimism from the Celtics organization that we heard about Hauser between his first and second seasons, and they ended up being spot on with those predictions. Walsh is obviously a very different player, but he has the look of someone who can fill multiple roles off the bench. I’m less familiar with Springer’s game, but the opportunity to earn minutes will be there - especially since the Celtics will probably try to manage Jrue and the Jays minutes early next season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2024 9:38:09 GMT -5
Springer and Walsh both can likely help on D right now, both need to work on 3 point shooting. Walsh shot well in the G-League, Springer hasn't. Thing is Springer is like an 80% FT shooter, that usually translates to at minimum a decent 3 point shot. Both need to spend all summer shooting a 1,000 3 pointers a day!
If they do, we'd have defense options besides just Pritchard and Hauser. Which would frankly be unreal.
The other thing is what do they do with JD Davison? Another two way contract or a regular one? Is his late season 3 point shot improvement for real or just a hot streak?
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Post by philarhody on Jun 23, 2024 12:23:36 GMT -5
Vecenie called Ryan Dunn “maybe the best defensive wing/forward he’s ever evaluated,” and also “maybe the worst offensive player he’s ever given a first round grade to.”
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2024 13:50:21 GMT -5
What is wrong with The Athletic? Almost zero draft crap, one mock everything else was from last year. Then days before the draft you drop a book. That should have been out right after the combine! At least the password isn't crazy. White has to decide if he wants the security of a long-term deal now or wait a year for a bigger deal. NBA stupid 40% raise on extensions, even though you own his full bird rights. It makes zero sense. I'll be glad if he takes it though. Same with Houser, I see a bunch of talk about an Extension. You can only give him an extension starting at 40% raise, which he'd be stupid to take. His market value is likely 4-5 times that after that finals showing. With Hauser they can decline his player option and sign him to a bigger deal if they wanted to go that route.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2024 15:16:52 GMT -5
What is wrong with The Athletic? Almost zero draft crap, one mock everything else was from last year. Then days before the draft you drop a book. That should have been out right after the combine! At least the password isn't crazy. White has to decide if he wants the security of a long-term deal now or wait a year for a bigger deal. NBA stupid 40% raise on extensions, even though you own his full bird rights. It makes zero sense. I'll be glad if he takes it though. Same with Houser, I see a bunch of talk about an Extension. You can only give him an extension starting at 40% raise, which he'd be stupid to take. His market value is likely 4-5 times that after that finals showing. With Hauser they can decline his player option and sign him to a bigger deal if they wanted to go that route. Fair point, but you certainly would hate not using that $2 million option with around a $15 million increase over 2nd tax level from last year, maybe more. Then things set to explode next year So what do you offer him?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2024 16:02:47 GMT -5
With Hauser they can decline his player option and sign him to a bigger deal if they wanted to go that route. Fair point, but you certainly would hate not using that $2 million option with around a $15 million increase over 2nd tax level from last year, maybe more. Then things set to explode next year So what do you offer him? I honestly have no clue, I’m not comfortable enough with this new CBA to know what even makes sense or where our owners are willing to go. That being said, structure wise, I’ve seen some say a declining salary type deal could make sense for future cap years. I’m truly at a loss for what can and should be done. It’s a weird feeling. As a fan, I just hope they keep these guys together considering their ages and the window they have. I’ll worry about the 2030s later.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2024 17:17:31 GMT -5
Brissett has declined his player option. Not overly surprised but a bit disappointed.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 23, 2024 20:01:21 GMT -5
Ok, the best thing just happened for next year’s team. Now we can watch in complete peace knowing they are champions. We can enjoy the ride without doubt. I believed all year just as I have for the past 3.
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