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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2024 6:51:35 GMT -5
I read somewhere yesterday that their expectation is to extend, White and Hauser. I’m not sure how they are going to navigate this stuff but they do have a unique opportunity here. There are some older guys who are starting to age out and the younger generation is still ascending while our guys just hit their primes. Can they take advantage of this little “window”?
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Post by mobaz on Jun 19, 2024 9:53:23 GMT -5
Lol, Pistons signed Monty Williams to richest coaching contract then fired him a year later. He's owed 55 million or so. Not sure how that org has fallen so far.
In other East news, Siakam will stick with the Pacers on a 4 year/189M Max
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2024 10:20:25 GMT -5
Lol, Pistons signed Monty Williams to richest coaching contract then fired him a year later. He's owed 55 million or so. Not sure how that org has fallen so far. In other East news, Siakam will stick with the Pacers on a 4 year/189M Max Do NBA coaches contracts have offset language? |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 19, 2024 11:59:12 GMT -5
We are about to find out how true this is: Grousbeck bought the team in 2002 by rounding up a large group of investors. In his pitch to his potential partners, however, Grousbeck wanted to make it abundantly clear that as long as he was in charge, winning titles was the priority. Not making a profit—to the extent that Grousbeck declared his ownership group should be prepared to get paid in a different sort of currency. "I don’t want your lunch money or your college fund," Grousbeck said, per Leung. "You’re all very well-to-do people. I want a small percentage of your net worth. You put it into the Celtics and alongside me, I will run it. But I will treat you all like partners. But this is not about a percentage return or anything like that. This is about winning championships... so we will be paid in enjoyment. "We will be paid in parades.” Fwiw, becoming the best franchise in the league over the next 7 years will also pay off in a significant increase in valuation. But I love that Wyc is thinking about the bottom line: winning over the long term. Feels quite different than the Patriots and Red Sox. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 19, 2024 12:07:52 GMT -5
So now that Brad has shown some of the best instincts for talent within the league, his next challenge will be to sustain depth without having player exceptions (ie. nail the draft).
Some base hit draft picks within striking range of 30:
Edey
Holmes
Carrington
Kolek
Schierman
Brad’s recent track record indicates this is going to be AJ Johnson or something; a top prep recruit with all of the hard skills and none of the soft ones (Davison, Walsh).
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jun 19, 2024 23:02:44 GMT -5
I just don't think Filipowski has any chance to come close to that level of defense. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2024 5:40:33 GMT -5
I just don't think Filipowski has any chance to come close to that level of defense. Probably not, but at 30 you take that chance all day long with what he can do offensively. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2024 10:09:13 GMT -5
I think Filipowski can be better defensively than Kornet. He needs to add muscle and I see no reason he can't. Don't over look averaging 1 steal and 1 block from a big. Not a great run jump athlete, has T-Rex arms, but he can move his feet. Think Hauser like as a big, but maybe better. He's just crazy skilled.
AJ Johnson has a great height and length, very quick and athletic but needs to add 30 to 40 pounds of muscle. His whole game is driving and he won't do that in NBA at 6'6" at 165. Classic two years from being two years away guy. Flowers would be a much better swing for the fences guy. Both guys should fire agents who advised them to go to a pro league. It almost never works for high school kids.
Went and looked at Pacome Dadiet and Juan Nunez. Dadiet is a raw wing that shows scoring potential, needs work on everything else. I'm not high on him at 30. Juan Nunez is a passing PG with good size, that can make unreal flashy euro type passes. I like his shot even if the numbers don't look good. He's just not a good athlete.
Jamal Shead 6' with 6'3" wingspan 200 pound PG. Lightening quick and a very good athlete, takes crazy hard shots and is a very good passer. He's also a great defender. He's like Avery Bradley on ball D, but much more physical because he's 200 pounds. His tape was great and I do believe his shoot is fine when he takes easier looks. If he was 4 inches taller he might be in conversation for the lottery. Definitely some one to look at with out 2nd round pick, mainly because our switch everything system will hurt him and likely put him in a Pritchard type roll, but he's a lot better defender and athlete than Pritchard.
I also went back and looked at Ryan Dunn. I do wonder if he can add 30 pounds and play small ball center.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2024 12:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2024 12:26:53 GMT -5
Anyone else hear that the luxury tax tiers grow at same rate as the cap going forward? If that's true, that will be our saving grace and maybe the most important factor of the new CBA no one is talking about.
If true, instead of just being $5 million then increased tax rate, 5 years at NBA max 10% rate could have them at $8 million in 5 years.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 21, 2024 6:42:51 GMT -5
The biggest threat to a Celtics dynasty just traded Josh Giddey for Alex Caruso. So that kind of sucks.
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Post by cdj on Jun 21, 2024 7:42:22 GMT -5
The biggest threat to a Celtics dynasty just traded Josh Giddey for Alex Caruso. So that kind of sucks. Still too young rn imo, I’m thinking the year after next they’re in the finals |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2024 10:23:33 GMT -5
Going back and looking at guys after basically watching some tape on almost every player likely to be drafted. Have to watch the Syracuse PG we just worked out.
Baylor Scheierman, my biggest worry was D, along with the fact he doesn't basically jump while shooting. His speed and agility test scores are almost exactly the same as Derrick White. He's not the jumper White is, but he's also bigger, weighs more and has a bigger wingspan. That's some impressive stuff, for example Whites 3/4 sprint of 3.08 was 97th percentage, Scheierman was 3.09. I'd have a hard time passing on him if he's there at pick 30
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Post by philarhody on Jun 21, 2024 11:10:31 GMT -5
The biggest threat to a Celtics dynasty just traded Josh Giddey for Alex Caruso. So that kind of sucks. Still too young rn imo, I’m thinking the year after next they’re in the finals You’re probably right. I hope you’re right. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 21, 2024 11:12:31 GMT -5
Going back and looking at guys after basically watching some tape on almost every player likely to be drafted. Have to watch the Syracuse PG we just worked out. Baylor Scheierman, my biggest worry was D, along with the fact he doesn't basically jump while shooting. His speed and agility test scores are almost exactly the same as Derrick White. He's not the jumper White is, but he's also bigger, weighs more and has a bigger wingspan. That's some impressive stuff, for example Whites 3/4 sprint of 3.08 was 97th percentage, Scheierman was 3.09. I'd have a hard time passing on him if he's there at pick 30 I would be shocked if he was there at 30. Feels like he has some real helium. I wonder if Enrique Freeman could shoot 40% from the corners. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2024 11:37:12 GMT -5
The biggest threat to a Celtics dynasty just traded Josh Giddey for Alex Caruso. So that kind of sucks. ONLY if they get Lauri Legend. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 21, 2024 13:15:33 GMT -5
I thought Giddey + Picks might have brought a bigger fish, so though I fully get Caruso's value, they need Chet and J-DUB to take a leap that Tatum/Brown didn't take until... this year... for me to be really scared.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2024 13:58:39 GMT -5
I thought Giddey + Picks might have brought a bigger fish, so though I fully get Caruso's value, they need Chet and J-DUB to take a leap that Tatum/Brown didn't take until... this year... for me to be really scared. They need another big and they just lost their second best rebounder. Granted it’s not some HUGE piece that is missing, but until they can control the boards better they are not making it out of the West. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2024 16:57:49 GMT -5
Going back and looking at guys after basically watching some tape on almost every player likely to be drafted. Have to watch the Syracuse PG we just worked out. Baylor Scheierman, my biggest worry was D, along with the fact he doesn't basically jump while shooting. His speed and agility test scores are almost exactly the same as Derrick White. He's not the jumper White is, but he's also bigger, weighs more and has a bigger wingspan. That's some impressive stuff, for example Whites 3/4 sprint of 3.08 was 97th percentage, Scheierman was 3.09. I'd have a hard time passing on him if he's there at pick 30 I would be shocked if he was there at 30. Feels like he has some real helium. I wonder if Enrique Freeman could shoot 40% from the corners. I would agree he’s one of the safer picks to be a starting caliber player in the draft, yet recent mocks a week out still have him available. NBA teams seem to absolutely hate upperclassmen and he's a 5 year guy. I think Dalton Knecht should be higher, Holmes, Scheierman, etc. He might be able to do that, he's also 212 pounds as a 5th year senior. Not on my board for pick 30, maybe if you trade down. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2024 17:06:09 GMT -5
If I was a Thunder fan I'd be upset, that team is years away. It's not trading him that would bother me, it's who they traded him for. Sure he's a very good role player, but he's a role player. You have their best player ready to make runs and the rest of the team years away.
It's a case study in having too many picks that you just start wasting them, while also not being patient because you did a rebuild while having one good player. Which caused this mess to begin with.
If I was a Bulls fans, it's like finally we got lucky.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2024 18:30:36 GMT -5
If I was a Thunder fan I'd be upset, that team is years away. It's not trading him that would bother me, it's who they traded him for. Sure he's a very good role player, but he's a role player. You have their best player ready to make runs and the rest of the team years away. It's a case study in having too many picks that you just start wasting them, while also not being patient because you did a rebuild while having one good player. Which caused this mess to begin with. If I was a Bulls fans, it's like finally we got lucky. How do we figure that team is years away and even if they were adding a guy like Caruso to help the young team grow and compete at a high level is a great add. Caruso is just 30, one of the best defenders in the league and a knock down 3 point shooter. I’d want my young guys learning from guys like him. We just saw our team young studs grow and mature while having a team to compete at a high level and great vets like Al to learn from. Even having a guy like Marcus that helped set the tone on defense and stress that importance was big. Giddy is young but he’s a bad and lazy defender despite his size and he’s a pretty lousy shooter. There’s hope he gets better as his FT% is pretty good. This team also has cap space. Add another good veteran, they could be the favorite to come out of the west next year. They don’t give up picks in this deal, they gave up a young guy they had 3 years to evaluate to know he’s not in their long-term plans. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 21, 2024 18:38:33 GMT -5
If I was an OKC parent with a high school-aged daughter, I'd be giddy the cradle rocker (allegedly) got traded.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2024 19:43:36 GMT -5
I bet the Sixers end up with Ingram as their big splash.
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Post by cdj on Jun 21, 2024 20:19:23 GMT -5
I wonder if we can bring in Jrue’s brother Justin at vet min
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2024 21:44:12 GMT -5
If I was a Thunder fan I'd be upset, that team is years away. It's not trading him that would bother me, it's who they traded him for. Sure he's a very good role player, but he's a role player. You have their best player ready to make runs and the rest of the team years away. It's a case study in having too many picks that you just start wasting them, while also not being patient because you did a rebuild while having one good player. Which caused this mess to begin with. If I was a Bulls fans, it's like finally we got lucky. How do we figure that team is years away and even if they were adding a guy like Caruso to help the young team grow and compete at a high level is a great add. Caruso is just 30, one of the best defenders in the league and a knock down 3 point shooter. I’d want my young guys learning from guys like him. We just saw our team young studs grow and mature while having a team to compete at a high level and great vets like Al to learn from. Even having a guy like Marcus that helped set the tone on defense and stress that importance was big. Giddy is young but he’s a bad and lazy defender despite his size and he’s a pretty lousy shooter. There’s hope he gets better as his FT% is pretty good. This team also has cap space. Add another good veteran, they could be the favorite to come out of the west next year. They don’t give up picks in this deal, they gave up a young guy they had 3 years to evaluate to know he’s not in their long-term plans. Who has won a championship with its 2nd and 3rd best players being early 20s? Nevermind a team with the majority of the roster on rookie contracts. I don't have a problem with Caruso, he's a high-end role player. It's the cost, I would have traded a 1st and been happy with that. They have way too many picks and don't need more young players. Like what was said above if you wanted to move Giddy add some picks and get a better player. His 3 point shooting, FT shooting, win shares and win shares per 48 have improved for 3 straight years. It's like we forget age 21 Jaylen Brown I find it funny Boston is being praised for not trading it's young players and showing patience, this is the opposite of that. Like who? Who do you sign that has them winning the West? |
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