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Post by trotnixon7 on Aug 25, 2024 10:40:33 GMT -5
I see Teel as more likely to be a 2.5 - 3 WAR player than Campbell...but I think Campbell has a better chance to be a 5+ WAR player than Teel. That leads me to currently see Campbell as slightly above Teel, but I certainly don't think it's wrong to think otherwise. Very excited to have them both in the system and close to the majors. RE: Campbell, you just don't see seasons like he's had very often. I'm likely overrating it due to the superficial similarity to Mookie's breakout year, and he's only recently passed Teel in my mind, but it's pretty hard not to be excited. Not that I'm a WAR "hater" but I don't think it always perfectly encapsulates everything either. WAR imo does a worse job with catchers than any other position bc certain things they do can't be quantified. Comparing a non catcher to a catcher using WAR imo makes it even more clear. For ex (I'll use bwar), they have david hamilton at 2.5 across 302 pas while they have adley at 2.9 across 516 PAs. So they have adley as slightly more overall in total but hamilton much more value on a per PA basis. BUT using your head/common sense..who actually makes a bigger impact on the baseball field?
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Post by bettsonmookie on Aug 25, 2024 10:45:37 GMT -5
Campbell's at a 188 wRC+, among minor leaguers with 400+ PAs this year the next highest is at 167. The gap between Campbell and #2 is as big as the gap between #2 and #14. Overall for his minor league career among players with at least 400 PAs Campbell has the third highest wRC+ since 2006 behind only Juan Soto and Kyle Schwarber. I think this guy is gonna hit. 1. This stat is mind-boggling on so many levels 2. Soto/Schwarber do not have nearly the same upside on base and in the field compared to KC The sky is the limit until he proves to be human.
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Post by dcb26 on Aug 25, 2024 11:01:00 GMT -5
I see Teel as more likely to be a 2.5 - 3 WAR player than Campbell...but I think Campbell has a better chance to be a 5+ WAR player than Teel. That leads me to currently see Campbell as slightly above Teel, but I certainly don't think it's wrong to think otherwise. Very excited to have them both in the system and close to the majors. RE: Campbell, you just don't see seasons like he's had very often. I'm likely overrating it due to the superficial similarity to Mookie's breakout year, and he's only recently passed Teel in my mind, but it's pretty hard not to be excited. Not that I'm a WAR "hater" but I don't think it always perfectly encapsulates everything either. WAR imo does a worse job with catchers than any other position bc certain things they do can't be quantified. Comparing a non catcher to a catcher using WAR imo makes it even more clear. For ex (I'll use bwar), they have david hamilton at 2.5 across 302 pas while they have adley at 2.9 across 516 PAs. So they have adley as slightly more overall in total but hamilton much more value on a per PA basis. BUT using your head/common sense..who actually makes a bigger impact on the baseball field? I agree with all of this - I actually don't like WAR (any version) all that much and feel like people use it incorrectly pretty often (and don't get me started on my questions on the accuracy of its defensive metrics and catcher framing etc.) - but all of that said it makes it really easy to shorthand something like I wrote in my first post, so I'm guilty of misusing it too I think. I used WAR here rather than some variation of "floor/ceiling" because I feel like the discussion about what floor and ceiling mean is even more diluted. As it relates to these two prospects, I feel like Campbell has a better chance of being a star (or better) but Teel has a better chance of being an above-average regular.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Aug 25, 2024 11:16:49 GMT -5
I see Teel as more likely to be a 2.5 - 3 WAR player than Campbell...but I think Campbell has a better chance to be a 5+ WAR player than Teel. That leads me to currently see Campbell as slightly above Teel, but I certainly don't think it's wrong to think otherwise. Very excited to have them both in the system and close to the majors. RE: Campbell, you just don't see seasons like he's had very often. I'm likely overrating it due to the superficial similarity to Mookie's breakout year, and he's only recently passed Teel in my mind, but it's pretty hard not to be excited. Not that I'm a WAR "hater" but I don't think it always perfectly encapsulates everything either. WAR imo does a worse job with catchers than any other position bc certain things they do can't be quantified. Comparing a non catcher to a catcher using WAR imo makes it even more clear. For ex (I'll use bwar), they have david hamilton at 2.5 across 302 pas while they have adley at 2.9 across 516 PAs. So they have adley as slightly more overall in total but hamilton much more value on a per PA basis. BUT using your head/common sense..who actually makes a bigger impact on the baseball field? fWAR has Adley at 2.9 and Hamilton at 1.6. Seems about right to me, even considering playing time. Also, Adley has played 36 games as the DH which will impact his total WAR. His 2.9 WAR is 3rd among "Catchers." But if you go by time played at C, his WAR is 1.5 and places him 21st amongst catchers in the MLB. That's in large part because as a catcher, he's hit .233/.298/.360 in 362 PA. As a DH, he's slashing .338/.404/.574 in 151 PA. If Adley played all 119 games at catcher and was slashing .265/.329/.423, his WAR would be considerably higher than 2.9. But he didn't, and it's not. He's done all his hitting as a DH and 30% of his playing time has been at DH.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Aug 25, 2024 11:17:41 GMT -5
Not that I'm a WAR "hater" but I don't think it always perfectly encapsulates everything either. WAR imo does a worse job with catchers than any other position bc certain things they do can't be quantified. Comparing a non catcher to a catcher using WAR imo makes it even more clear. For ex (I'll use bwar), they have david hamilton at 2.5 across 302 pas while they have adley at 2.9 across 516 PAs. So they have adley as slightly more overall in total but hamilton much more value on a per PA basis. BUT using your head/common sense..who actually makes a bigger impact on the baseball field? I agree with all of this - I actually don't like WAR (any version) all that much and feel like people use it incorrectly pretty often (and don't get me started on my questions on the accuracy of its defensive metrics and catcher framing etc.) - but all of that said it makes it really easy to shorthand something like I wrote in my first post, so I'm guilty of misusing it too I think. I used WAR here rather than some variation of "floor/ceiling" because I feel like the discussion about what floor and ceiling mean is even more diluted. As it relates to these two prospects, I feel like Campbell has a better chance of being a star (or better) but Teel has a better chance of being an above-average regular. I think it's a nice stat that at least ATTEMPTS to quantify everything but doing that obviously has it's flaws. Sometimes I think WAR underrates impact/middle of the order difference makers when they don't offer much else. Like duran this season has surpassed any season manny had in Boston and I'm sorry, I'm taking peak Manny over duran..not to say duran hasn't been excellent.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 25, 2024 11:19:14 GMT -5
Not that I'm a WAR "hater" but I don't think it always perfectly encapsulates everything either. WAR imo does a worse job with catchers than any other position bc certain things they do can't be quantified. Comparing a non catcher to a catcher using WAR imo makes it even more clear. For ex (I'll use bwar), they have david hamilton at 2.5 across 302 pas while they have adley at 2.9 across 516 PAs. So they have adley as slightly more overall in total but hamilton much more value on a per PA basis. BUT using your head/common sense..who actually makes a bigger impact on the baseball field? fWAR has Adley at 2.9 and Hamilton at 1.6. Seems about right to me, even considering playing time. Also, Adley has played 36 games as the DH which will impact his total WAR. His 2.9 WAR is 3rd among "Catchers." But if you go by time played at C, his WAR is 1.5 and places him 21st amongst catchers in the MLB. That's in large part because as a catcher, he's hit .233/.298/.360 in 362 PA. As a DH, he's slashing .338/.404/.574 in 151 PA. IF Adley played all 119 games at catcher and was slashing .265/.329/.423, his WAR would be considerably higher than 2.9. But he didn't, and it's not. Those slash numbers as a DH kind of make you wonder if they shouldn't move him off of C? As a C his numbers are OK but at DH they're MVP level. Not a huge sample size but 151 PA is enough to take a look at and wonder.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Aug 25, 2024 11:30:35 GMT -5
fWAR has Adley at 2.9 and Hamilton at 1.6. Seems about right to me, even considering playing time. Also, Adley has played 36 games as the DH which will impact his total WAR. His 2.9 WAR is 3rd among "Catchers." But if you go by time played at C, his WAR is 1.5 and places him 21st amongst catchers in the MLB. That's in large part because as a catcher, he's hit .233/.298/.360 in 362 PA. As a DH, he's slashing .338/.404/.574 in 151 PA. IF Adley played all 119 games at catcher and was slashing .265/.329/.423, his WAR would be considerably higher than 2.9. But he didn't, and it's not. Those slash numbers as a DH kind of make you wonder if they shouldn't move him off of C? As a C his numbers are OK but at DH they're MVP level. Not a huge sample size but 151 PA is enough to take a look at and wonder. His career numbers C: .254/.346/.404 in 1209 PA DH: .304/.388/.514 in 451 PA. I'd guess an above average hitting catcher who can field the position is more valuable than a DH who can mash but has no position. I guess it would really depend on the composition of the team. The Orioles already have a solid DH in O'hearn while Adley is quite a bit better than McCann.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 25, 2024 12:03:36 GMT -5
I agree with all of this - I actually don't like WAR (any version) all that much and feel like people use it incorrectly pretty often (and don't get me started on my questions on the accuracy of its defensive metrics and catcher framing etc.) - but all of that said it makes it really easy to shorthand something like I wrote in my first post, so I'm guilty of misusing it too I think. I used WAR here rather than some variation of "floor/ceiling" because I feel like the discussion about what floor and ceiling mean is even more diluted. As it relates to these two prospects, I feel like Campbell has a better chance of being a star (or better) but Teel has a better chance of being an above-average regular. I think it's a nice stat that at least ATTEMPTS to quantify everything but doing that obviously has it's flaws. Sometimes I think WAR underrates impact/middle of the order difference makers when they don't offer much else. Like duran this season has surpassed any season manny had in Boston and I'm sorry, I'm taking peak Manny over duran..not to say duran hasn't been excellent. But why? Manny was atrocious on defense and he was an atrocious runner; Duran is elite at both. In his time in Boston he had a 156 wRC+ which is only about 20 points higher than Duran's this season. I would be pretty suspicious of a stat that said Duran's MASSIVE advantage in other aspects of the game didn't make up for a 20 point gap in wRC+.
It would be silly to take WAR as gospel (especially for catchers). But a catch-all statistic for what a player contributes overall to a team's success is really useful, and while WAR has some weaknesses I think it makes sense at the very least as a sort of default mode for our judgments.
(People do treat it with a kind of false precision though; we should probably think of WAR numbers as approximations and not act like there's some great significance in the difference between, say, 3.5 and 4.0 WAR.)
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 25, 2024 12:16:34 GMT -5
Those slash numbers as a DH kind of make you wonder if they shouldn't move him off of C? As a C his numbers are OK but at DH they're MVP level. Not a huge sample size but 151 PA is enough to take a look at and wonder. His career numbers C: .254/.346/.404 in 1209 PA DH: .304/.388/.514 in 451 PA. I'd guess an above average hitting catcher who can field the position is more valuable than a DH who can mash but has no position. I guess it would really depend on the composition of the team. The Orioles already have a solid DH in O'hearn while Adley is quite a bit better than McCann. Could move him to 1st base but was just a thought I had looking at the #s that were thrown out.
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Post by dcb26 on Aug 25, 2024 12:47:25 GMT -5
I think it's a nice stat that at least ATTEMPTS to quantify everything but doing that obviously has it's flaws. Sometimes I think WAR underrates impact/middle of the order difference makers when they don't offer much else. Like duran this season has surpassed any season manny had in Boston and I'm sorry, I'm taking peak Manny over duran..not to say duran hasn't been excellent. But why? Manny was atrocious on defense and he was an atrocious runner; Duran is elite at both. In his time in Boston he had a 156 wRC+ which is only about 20 points higher than Duran's this season. I would be pretty suspicious of a stat that said Duran's MASSIVE advantage in other aspects of the game didn't make up for a 20 point gap in wRC+. It would be silly to take WAR as gospel (especially for catchers). But a catch-all statistic for what a player contributes overall to a team's success is really useful, and while WAR has some weaknesses I think it makes sense at the very least as a sort of default mode for our judgments. (People do treat it with a kind of false precision though; we should probably think of WAR numbers as approximations and not act like there's some great significance in the difference between, say, 3.5 and 4.0 WAR.)
Which goes back to my suspicion about WAR's defensive metrics, and defensive metrics in general re: LF in Fenway (One hill I am willing to die on is that Manny was not as bad defensively as the defensive metrics of the time made it seem.) Which then (in trying to keep things on topic) brings us back to questions about Campbell's defense...
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Post by keninten on Aug 25, 2024 12:52:52 GMT -5
Manny was really good at getting the ball back to the IF quickly. Unless he was the cutoff guy for CF. He also was a RFer in Cleveland. I always thought he was underrated as an OFer.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 25, 2024 13:21:53 GMT -5
But why? Manny was atrocious on defense and he was an atrocious runner; Duran is elite at both. In his time in Boston he had a 156 wRC+ which is only about 20 points higher than Duran's this season. I would be pretty suspicious of a stat that said Duran's MASSIVE advantage in other aspects of the game didn't make up for a 20 point gap in wRC+. It would be silly to take WAR as gospel (especially for catchers). But a catch-all statistic for what a player contributes overall to a team's success is really useful, and while WAR has some weaknesses I think it makes sense at the very least as a sort of default mode for our judgments. (People do treat it with a kind of false precision though; we should probably think of WAR numbers as approximations and not act like there's some great significance in the difference between, say, 3.5 and 4.0 WAR.)
Which goes back to my suspicion about WAR's defensive metrics, and defensive metrics in general re: LF in Fenway (One hill I am willing to die on is that Manny was not as bad defensively as the defensive metrics of the time made it seem.) Which then (in trying to keep things on topic) brings us back to questions about Campbell's defense... I could buy that the defensive stats used for WAR 20 years ago were not that great. (I still have no idea how they come up with those numbers for like the 1920s...) I think they're a lot better in the statcast era though, especially for fWAR.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Aug 25, 2024 13:21:58 GMT -5
I think it's a nice stat that at least ATTEMPTS to quantify everything but doing that obviously has it's flaws. Sometimes I think WAR underrates impact/middle of the order difference makers when they don't offer much else. Like duran this season has surpassed any season manny had in Boston and I'm sorry, I'm taking peak Manny over duran..not to say duran hasn't been excellent. But why? Manny was atrocious on defense and he was an atrocious runner; Duran is elite at both. In his time in Boston he had a 156 wRC+ which is only about 20 points higher than Duran's this season. I would be pretty suspicious of a stat that said Duran's MASSIVE advantage in other aspects of the game didn't make up for a 20 point gap in wRC+.
It would be silly to take WAR as gospel (especially for catchers). But a catch-all statistic for what a player contributes overall to a team's success is really useful, and while WAR has some weaknesses I think it makes sense at the very least as a sort of default mode for our judgments.
(People do treat it with a kind of false precision though; we should probably think of WAR numbers as approximations and not act like there's some great significance in the difference between, say, 3.5 and 4.0 WAR.)
I'll use what's a pretty extreme example to make my point. Between 15-18 simmons was worth 22.5 WAR (6.3 per 650 PAs). Ortiz between 04-08 was worth 21.6 WAR (5.1 per 650 PAs). During that stretch ortiz slashed .304-.408-.616 with an OPS+ of 159. During simmons stretch he slashed .279-.329-.388 with a OPS+ of 97. Now I'm well aware being what's pretty much an average hitter/one of the better defensive runs of all time has insane value. HOWEVER, which of those 2 players has a better chance at carrying a team in Oct? Now I understand WAR is an accumulation so obviously it doesn't take into account what I asked, so that's my big issue with it. Not that I don't see any value in such a statistic.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Aug 25, 2024 13:39:39 GMT -5
But why? Manny was atrocious on defense and he was an atrocious runner; Duran is elite at both. In his time in Boston he had a 156 wRC+ which is only about 20 points higher than Duran's this season. I would be pretty suspicious of a stat that said Duran's MASSIVE advantage in other aspects of the game didn't make up for a 20 point gap in wRC+.
It would be silly to take WAR as gospel (especially for catchers). But a catch-all statistic for what a player contributes overall to a team's success is really useful, and while WAR has some weaknesses I think it makes sense at the very least as a sort of default mode for our judgments.
(People do treat it with a kind of false precision though; we should probably think of WAR numbers as approximations and not act like there's some great significance in the difference between, say, 3.5 and 4.0 WAR.)
I'll use what's a pretty extreme example to make my point. Between 15-18 simmons was worth 22.5 WAR (6.3 per 650 PAs). Ortiz between 04-08 was worth 21.6 WAR (5.1 per 650 PAs). During that stretch ortiz slashed .304-.408-.616 with an OPS+ of 159. During simmons stretch he slashed .279-.329-.388 with a OPS+ of 97. Now I'm well aware being what's pretty much an average hitter/one of the better defensive runs of all time has insane value. HOWEVER, which of those 2 players has a better chance at carrying a team in Oct? Now I understand WAR is an accumulation so obviously it doesn't take into account what I asked, so that's my big issue with it. Not that I don't see any value in such a statistic. Simmons was at 15.1 fWAR from 15-18. Ortiz was 21.7 fwar from 04-07. bbreference assigns too much value to certain fielders. Though they both hate Manny.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Aug 25, 2024 14:11:39 GMT -5
I'll use what's a pretty extreme example to make my point. Between 15-18 simmons was worth 22.5 WAR (6.3 per 650 PAs). Ortiz between 04-08 was worth 21.6 WAR (5.1 per 650 PAs). During that stretch ortiz slashed .304-.408-.616 with an OPS+ of 159. During simmons stretch he slashed .279-.329-.388 with a OPS+ of 97. Now I'm well aware being what's pretty much an average hitter/one of the better defensive runs of all time has insane value. HOWEVER, which of those 2 players has a better chance at carrying a team in Oct? Now I understand WAR is an accumulation so obviously it doesn't take into account what I asked, so that's my big issue with it. Not that I don't see any value in such a statistic. Simmons was at 15.1 fWAR from 15-18. Ortiz was 21.7 fwar from 04-07. bbreference assigns too much value to certain fielders. Though they both hate Manny. I believe it's FG that uses UZR, not sure what BR uses. But that's another reason i don't take WAR as 100%, even the 2 major platforms wildly disagree. I look at WAR for what I think it is, a very rough estimate.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 25, 2024 14:46:29 GMT -5
But why? Manny was atrocious on defense and he was an atrocious runner; Duran is elite at both. In his time in Boston he had a 156 wRC+ which is only about 20 points higher than Duran's this season. I would be pretty suspicious of a stat that said Duran's MASSIVE advantage in other aspects of the game didn't make up for a 20 point gap in wRC+. It would be silly to take WAR as gospel (especially for catchers). But a catch-all statistic for what a player contributes overall to a team's success is really useful, and while WAR has some weaknesses I think it makes sense at the very least as a sort of default mode for our judgments. (People do treat it with a kind of false precision though; we should probably think of WAR numbers as approximations and not act like there's some great significance in the difference between, say, 3.5 and 4.0 WAR.)
Which goes back to my suspicion about WAR's defensive metrics, and defensive metrics in general re: LF in Fenway (One hill I am willing to die on is that Manny was not as bad defensively as the defensive metrics of the time made it seem.) Which then (in trying to keep things on topic) brings us back to questions about Campbell's defense... Admittedly I know very little about the calculations that make up those types of stats but I think that those algorithms have no idea how to factor in the green monster and most Sox LF get poor ratings. Manny was no Gold Glover. He wasnt to my eyes a particularly good fielder. I think serviceable would probably describe him in LF, if the word comical doesnt cover it. I've heard nothing on Campbell's defense so I take it that hes not a gold glover anywhere but i also take it that hes not bad at 2b or in the OF. I'm guessing he is serviceable in a pinch at SS, and would assume that hes not good enough defensively to dislodge Mayer from SS. Of course these are my speculations based on a surprising lack of opinions and information on his defense. His bat, we've heard a thing ot two about, lol.
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Post by azblue on Aug 25, 2024 16:18:44 GMT -5
How many people expressing significant doubts about one or more of Boston's top prospects have watched them play in several games or more? Anyone?
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Post by threeifbaerga on Aug 25, 2024 16:51:40 GMT -5
How many people expressing significant doubts about one or more of Boston's top prospects have watched them play in several games or more? Anyone? Brother if the only folks allowed to comment were those who regularly get to watch these guys there would be like six posters on this forum. None of us are decision makers so all of us are allowed to express opinions.
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 26, 2024 2:12:08 GMT -5
How many people expressing significant doubts about one or more of Boston's top prospects have watched them play in several games or more? Anyone? Brother if the only folks allowed to comment were those who regularly get to watch these guys there would be like six posters on this forum. None of us are decision makers so all of us are allowed to express opinions. The poster above may have meant *in person* but I encourage anyone who's interested enough to be commenting here to sign up for an milb.tv (now MLB At Bat I think) subscription which would allow you to watch the minor league broadcasts that Teel et. al. have appeared in. It's a lot more limited than an in person look (and the camera work can be... rough) but it does help speak to some of the issues being brought up. For instance, I've heard Chris and Ian on the pod mention that Teel has been a little too "happy" with his movement behind the plate, moving around too much pre and post pitch. I haven't seen too much of that in my limited recent looks this season but I'm not much of a scout. I can't, however, speak to how Teel handles a pitching staff, something that presumably requires more of an in-person look along with extended discussions with local scouts or his coaches.
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Post by rkarp on Aug 26, 2024 13:14:14 GMT -5
How many people expressing significant doubts about one or more of Boston's top prospects have watched them play in several games or more? Anyone? I have now seen Campbell play in 3 games. I believe he will be the RS starting 2B next season
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Post by nonothing on Aug 26, 2024 14:05:32 GMT -5
How many people expressing significant doubts about one or more of Boston's top prospects have watched them play in several games or more? Anyone? I have now seen Campbell play in 3 games. I believe he will be the RS starting 2B next season What positions did you see him play, and how was his defense in each that makes you say 2B if you don't mind pls?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 26, 2024 14:12:42 GMT -5
How many people expressing significant doubts about one or more of Boston's top prospects have watched them play in several games or more? Anyone? I have now seen Campbell play in 3 games. I believe he will be the RS starting 2B next season Maybe at some point. But the team will probably give Grissom tread too. Not to mention that even if Campbell goes off at Worcester, the team will probably hold him down a few weeks next year to manipulate service time. I like him, realistically unless he signs a deal before being called up it makes business sense for a team like Boston.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Aug 26, 2024 14:31:30 GMT -5
How many people expressing significant doubts about one or more of Boston's top prospects have watched them play in several games or more? Anyone? I have now seen Campbell play in 3 games. I believe he will be the RS starting 2B next season I hope no one who has seen him play in 4 games comes along and doesn’t think he’s very good. I’ve expressed doubts about Teel’s defense. I’ve seen him live a handful of times for what that’s worth.
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Post by rkarp on Aug 26, 2024 15:23:38 GMT -5
I have now seen Campbell play in 3 games. I believe he will be the RS starting 2B next season What positions did you see him play, and how was his defense in each that makes you say 2B if you don't mind pls? I have seen 2 games at SS and 1 in CF I have seen a very athletic player that has plus speed. he could profile in CF but I prefer Rafaela in that spot. uneven route to fly balls but speed makes up for poor reads. gets to everything in the of. good not great arm has me thinking 2B not SS nor OF. his bat is the difference for him being the starting 2B although his defense will be above average. when I mentioned starting 2B, I meant during the course of the season, perhaps not game 1
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Aug 26, 2024 21:52:33 GMT -5
Simmons was at 15.1 fWAR from 15-18. Ortiz was 21.7 fwar from 04-07. bbreference assigns too much value to certain fielders. Though they both hate Manny. I believe it's FG that uses UZR, not sure what BR uses. But that's another reason i don't take WAR as 100%, even the 2 major platforms wildly disagree. I look at WAR for what I think it is, a very rough estimate. It's a system, and any system whether one agrees with it or not in the very least compares one player to another using it's criteria. So in essence it is good at comparing one to another based on the criteria it uses, in the same way any stat works. They all have value but to often people don't understand what it actually tells you or misinterpret what it tells you. People often say numbers lie, that's never true read the previous sentence to explain that away.
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