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Post by soxinsf on Aug 27, 2024 0:43:40 GMT -5
I like prospects, especially interesting ones. It was not so long ago that we were debating whether Campbell should be included with Mayer, Teel and Anthony as part of a big four.
Now, just weeks later, some are suggesting that he might be first of that group to arrive. But now or a year from now I hope he is the long/term answer at 2B.
Let’s assume, for a moment, that neither Grissom nor Story is the absolution. And that Campbell is a better CF than 2B. Does Rafaela become a live option. Not a prediction, but an off the wall idea that stuck its head up.
Finally, Campbell’s swing may have a serious hole that MLB pitchers exploit. His awesome numbers suggest otherwise, but having watched him on MLB’s minor league feed, his approach does merit the concerns noted in this thread.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Aug 27, 2024 1:22:27 GMT -5
If Campbell finishes the year in Worcester the way it has gone the rest of the season, he should absolutely be in Spring Training to try to win the second base job. We need more athleticism and more right handed pop. He seems perfect.
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Post by nonothing on Aug 27, 2024 8:35:33 GMT -5
What positions did you see him play, and how was his defense in each that makes you say 2B if you don't mind pls? I have seen 2 games at SS and 1 in CF I have seen a very athletic player that has plus speed. he could profile in CF but I prefer Rafaela in that spot. uneven route to fly balls but speed makes up for poor reads. gets to everything in the of. good not great arm has me thinking 2B not SS nor OF. his bat is the difference for him being the starting 2B although his defense will be above average. when I mentioned starting 2B, I meant during the course of the season, perhaps not game 1 Ty so much for posting this. Nice to see some takes.from people.who have seen him on D. Many videos online of his hitting, but not D. Above avg D at 2B is exactly what the Sox need. Next to Casas, who appears to me like he will never be a good fielder. He picks throws well. But he will likely never move well, have great hands or range. While Casas' stick makes up for that, having an above avg athlete at 2B with range would be huge for pitching staff/team in future -- especially if the same guy can rake.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 27, 2024 8:59:19 GMT -5
It's fine to stress versatility among prospects. But one of the drawbacks is that a prospect doesn't get to learn all the defensive nuances of a particular position. IF Campbell forces his way onto the major league roster with his bat sooner rather than later, and let's say he sticks at 2B, in the early years of his career his defense will be inevitably behind his offense.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 27, 2024 11:39:29 GMT -5
BA Team discusses Campbell on their latest Fantasy Baseball podcast.
“...Really good second baseman, could be the Red Sox answer there."
"...squarely in the mix for next season...his story is really tremendous."
redcircle.com/shows/baseball-america/ep/a57f95a7-06a3-4ddd-ac1c-435cdd794472
Kristian Campbell ~25:00
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Post by trotnixon7 on Aug 27, 2024 11:54:29 GMT -5
I believe it's FG that uses UZR, not sure what BR uses. But that's another reason i don't take WAR as 100%, even the 2 major platforms wildly disagree. I look at WAR for what I think it is, a very rough estimate. It's a system, and any system whether one agrees with it or not in the very least compares one player to another using it's criteria. So in essence it is good at comparing one to another based on the criteria it uses, in the same way any stat works. They all have value but to often people don't understand what it actually tells you or misinterpret what it tells you. People often say numbers lie, that's never true read the previous sentence to explain that away. Sure but most stats are more irrefutable/ cut and dry. Obviously the numbers don't lie however the validity of the formula which is really the whole purpose of having a stat like "WAR" is what's being questioned. And again, I'm not anti WAR...I just think some use it as if it's 100% accurate. So I guess sure in a way a big chunk of my issue is with how people use it.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 27, 2024 12:17:38 GMT -5
Simmons was at 15.1 fWAR from 15-18. Ortiz was 21.7 fwar from 04-07. bbreference assigns too much value to certain fielders. Though they both hate Manny. I believe it's FG that uses UZR, not sure what BR uses. But that's another reason i don't take WAR as 100%, even the 2 major platforms wildly disagree. I look at WAR for what I think it is, a very rough estimate. Just for posterity - neither uses UZR. FG uses OAA and Bref uses DRS.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 27, 2024 12:22:52 GMT -5
Rosters expand this Sunday. Call me delusional, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Campbell is the position player who gets the call.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 27, 2024 12:32:15 GMT -5
Rosters expand this Sunday. Call me delusional, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Campbell is the position player who gets the call. You're delusional. But so am I! FIRE IT UP, BRING HIM UP!!!! SPARKPLUG!
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 27, 2024 12:47:07 GMT -5
Maybe they are in love with him and really value letting him get his feet wet before next year, but I wouldn’t love losing a 40 man roster spot over the offseason to call him up for a month.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 27, 2024 12:48:50 GMT -5
Maybe they are in love with him and really value letting him get his feet wet before next year, but I wouldn’t love losing a 40 man roster spot over the offseason to call him up for a month. I got two words for you: Bobby Dalbec.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Aug 27, 2024 13:23:08 GMT -5
I think it would be foolish bringing any of the top kids up until mid April of next season (whatever date gives you that extra year).
I understand some would find it exciting or would want that extra pick for them making the opening day roster next season etc but it's not worth the risk of losing a full season of control imo for what's a relatively small chance at a comp pick.
And honestly mayer likely will end this season with 0 AAA pas and the others with very small amount..it won't even look "bad".
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Post by pd on Aug 27, 2024 18:15:35 GMT -5
Maybe they are in love with him and really value letting him get his feet wet before next year, but I wouldn’t love losing a 40 man roster spot over the offseason to call him up for a month. I got two words for you: Bobby Dalbec. Bingo.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 27, 2024 18:35:14 GMT -5
I predict the offseason spreadsheets are going to say that Campbell is the third best player on the team behind Devers and Duran
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Aug 27, 2024 20:25:53 GMT -5
It's fine to stress versatility among prospects. But one of the drawbacks is that a prospect doesn't get to learn all the defensive nuances of a particular position. IF Campbell forces his way onto the major league roster with his bat sooner rather than later, and let's say he sticks at 2B, in the early years of his career his defense will be inevitably behind his offense. I think I understand what you are saying but I don't agree with the premise. You state, "in the early years of his career his defense will be inevitably behind his offense". I'd say sure but so what as it's also true of most players in general. The game is orientated towards offense in general (side note I preferred the game before the 3 outcome mantra). The exception often is the crazy athletic level players like Betts and even perhaps one athletic level below Betts too who are often terrific defensively right off the bat and reach their peak within a few years defensively.
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Post by nonothing on Aug 27, 2024 21:27:05 GMT -5
I got two words for you: Bobby Dalbec. Bingo. Dalbec will be gone regardless. The roster issue isn't the rest of the season. It's the offseason where rostering Campbell now makes you have to hold him all winter, so then you have to expose one more guy to being picked in the Rule 5 draft. Picking Campbell now could cost you keeping Guerrero. Even if you wanted him to break camp with the Sox, waiting to select him to the roster until the end of ST makes more sense than selecting him now unless you think he is going to help them win the WS this fall. Then -- maybe you lose a Guerrero type, but you feel it is worth it. But that is the analysis. Heineman and Dalbec are not blocking anyone.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 29, 2024 2:51:56 GMT -5
Dalbec will be gone regardless. The roster issue isn't the rest of the season. It's the offseason where rostering Campbell now makes you have to hold him all winter, so then you have to expose one more guy to being picked in the Rule 5 draft. Picking Campbell now could cost you keeping Guerrero. Even if you wanted him to break camp with the Sox, waiting to select him to the roster until the end of ST makes more sense than selecting him now unless you think he is going to help them win the WS this fall. Then -- maybe you lose a Guerrero type, but you feel it is worth it. But that is the analysis. Heineman and Dalbec are not blocking anyone. Bingo.
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Post by sxfan on Aug 29, 2024 10:47:36 GMT -5
I think the correct answer is the Sox wait until the WooSox season ends mid September. If the Sox are 4+ games back of the wildcard at that point, then yeah no point to promote him.
If they are within 2 games or so, then promoting Campbell makes all the sense in the world. I think the Sox rank dead last in second base production this year and Campbell is by far the best second baseman in the organization.
Protecting the last man on a 40 man roster isn't as important as looking at a real shot of the post season with 2 weeks to go.
Campbell would be promoted right around the Twins come to Fenway.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 29, 2024 10:51:40 GMT -5
I think the correct answer is the Sox wait until the WooSox season ends mid September. If the Sox are 4+ games back of the wildcard at that point, then yeah no point to promote him. If they are within 2 games or so, then promoting Campbell makes all the sense in the world. I think the Sox rank dead last in second base production this year and Campbell is by far the best second baseman in the organization. Protecting the last man on a 40 man roster isn't as important as looking at a real shot of the post season with 2 weeks to go. Campbell would be promoted right around the Twins come to Fenway. I’d be with you on this if there wasn’t the rule that Campbell would have to be on the 40 man by Sept. 1st in order to qualify for playoff play. That said, he’s either up on Sept. 1st or he finishes the season in AAA.
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Post by sxfan on Aug 29, 2024 11:04:58 GMT -5
I think the correct answer is the Sox wait until the WooSox season ends mid September. If the Sox are 4+ games back of the wildcard at that point, then yeah no point to promote him. If they are within 2 games or so, then promoting Campbell makes all the sense in the world. I think the Sox rank dead last in second base production this year and Campbell is by far the best second baseman in the organization. Protecting the last man on a 40 man roster isn't as important as looking at a real shot of the post season with 2 weeks to go. Campbell would be promoted right around the Twins come to Fenway. I’d be with you on this if there wasn’t the rule that Campbell would have to be on the 40 man by Sept. 1st in order to qualify for playoff play. That said, he’s either up on Sept. 1st or he finishes the season in AAA. I don't think that's true. He needs to be in the organization by September 1rst. He's been in the organization all year. He'd be eligible for the postseason.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 29, 2024 12:07:03 GMT -5
Barry Bonds needs his promotion
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 29, 2024 12:20:31 GMT -5
I was about to ask if something was wrong because no one posted anything about Campbell in 8 hours.
The thought of Duran/Anthyony/Campbell/Devers/Casas in this lineup by the end of next year might be frightening a lot of people right now.....or not.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 29, 2024 12:22:41 GMT -5
I was about to ask if something was wrong because no one posted anything about Campbell in 8 hours. The thought of Duran/Anthyony/Campbell/Devers/Casas in this lineup by the end of next year might be frightening a lot of people right now.....or not. Great post, sir 👏🏾
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Post by nonothing on Aug 29, 2024 13:51:59 GMT -5
I’d be with you on this if there wasn’t the rule that Campbell would have to be on the 40 man by Sept. 1st in order to qualify for playoff play. That said, he’s either up on Sept. 1st or he finishes the season in AAA. I don't think that's true. He needs to be in the organization by September 1rst. He's been in the organization all year. He'd be eligible for the postseason. You are correct. He does not need to be called up by 9/1 because he is already in org.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 31, 2024 5:56:34 GMT -5
Both his "surface" and in depth numbers have been unbelievable.
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