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Post by art on Aug 31, 2024 7:29:42 GMT -5
On the radio broadcast Thursday after the conclusion of the game both Merloni & Flemming advocated bringing him up right away.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 31, 2024 14:49:52 GMT -5
Yes that the only thing that makes sense to me
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Post by finaliz3d on Aug 31, 2024 16:34:18 GMT -5
As much as I like what Campbell and Anthony are doing, and really want to see them in Boston, I can't in good faith advocate for that right now. If you're going to bring them up, they should be playing every day. You can't do that with Anthony, and while I get the argument for Campbell that with no Hamilton you have a hole at 2B being filled by Romy/Sogard, for this to work you basically need Campbell to succeed right away. If he falters even a little, then you can't justify playing him every day because we're in a playoff push.
It becomes much more feasible to do so if the Red Sox go on a huge losing streak the next week and are out of the playoff run, but by the time that happens, presumably Story is back and then it becomes harder to find a place for Campbell to play.
If he rakes in camp, they give him a shot in the early season probably, but right now it seems unlikely he sniffs the bigs this September.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 1, 2024 8:03:12 GMT -5
Now that Campbell has finally slowed down a bit the past few games, maybe the clamor to bring him up will die down a bit.
Give him a little time to marinate in AAA. Then, when Story inevitably goes down again sometime in the first half of the 2025 season, maybe he'll be fully ready.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 1, 2024 8:40:57 GMT -5
Now that Campbell has finally slowed down a bit the past few games, maybe the clamor to bring him up will die down a bit. Give him a little time to marinate in AAA. Then, when Story inevitably goes down again sometime in the first half of the 2025 season, maybe he'll be fully ready. He has a .982 OPS in the last four games despite a .200 BABIP and a 5:2 walk:strikeout ratio? I suppose that might count as slowing down by his standards.
Not that I'm in a rush to bring him up. And/but if he keeps it up and has a good spring training I don't see why he couldn't make the opening day roster in 2025. (Except that his defense remains a highly classified national security issue so I don't even know what position(s) he'd fill on the roster.)
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Post by patford on Sept 1, 2024 9:01:47 GMT -5
Now that Campbell has finally slowed down a bit the past few games, maybe the clamor to bring him up will die down a bit. Give him a little time to marinate in AAA. Then, when Story inevitably goes down again sometime in the first half of the 2025 season, maybe he'll be fully ready. He has a .982 OPS in the last four games despite a .200 BABIP and a 5:2 walk:strikeout ratio? I suppose that might count as slowing down by his standards.
Not that I'm in a rush to bring him up. And/but if he keeps it up and has a good spring training I don't see why he couldn't make the opening day roster in 2025. (Except that his defense remains a highly classified national security issue so I don't even know what position(s) he'd fill on the roster.)
He's 22. I don't see any downside in bringing him up. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of arguments concerning having to add him to the roster, starting the clock, destroying his confidence etc. I just don't buy those arguments given his age. The only thing working against bringing him up is the Red Sox have no shot at winning the WS so they might as well wait until next year. The fact they haven't brought him up and are instead playing Mickey Gasper at 2B suggests to me management believes the team is not a legitimate post season contender.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 1, 2024 9:12:16 GMT -5
He has a .982 OPS in the last four games despite a .200 BABIP and a 5:2 walk:strikeout ratio? I suppose that might count as slowing down by his standards.
Not that I'm in a rush to bring him up. And/but if he keeps it up and has a good spring training I don't see why he couldn't make the opening day roster in 2025. (Except that his defense remains a highly classified national security issue so I don't even know what position(s) he'd fill on the roster.)
He's 22. I don't see any downside in bringing him up. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of arguments concerning having to add him to the roster, starting the clock, destroying his confidence etc. I just don't buy those arguments given his age. The only thing working against bringing him up is the Red Sox have no shot at winning the WS so they might as well wait until next year. The fact they haven't brought him up and are instead playing Mickey Gasper at 2B suggests to me management believes the team is not a legitimate post season contender. He has played 9 games at AAA. You don't need bank-shot theories to explain why they haven't called him up to the major leagues yet.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 1, 2024 9:39:04 GMT -5
He has a .982 OPS in the last four games despite a .200 BABIP and a 5:2 walk:strikeout ratio? I suppose that might count as slowing down by his standards.
Not that I'm in a rush to bring him up. And/but if he keeps it up and has a good spring training I don't see why he couldn't make the opening day roster in 2025. (Except that his defense remains a highly classified national security issue so I don't even know what position(s) he'd fill on the roster.)
He's 22. I don't see any downside in bringing him up. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of arguments concerning having to add him to the roster, starting the clock, destroying his confidence etc. I just don't buy those arguments given his age. The only thing working against bringing him up is the Red Sox have no shot at winning the WS so they might as well wait until next year. The fact they haven't brought him up and are instead playing Mickey Gasper at 2B suggests to me management believes the team is not a legitimate post season contender. Why exactly is it that you think he’s immune to any of those concerns simply because it’s young? That’s not how it works.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Sept 1, 2024 10:09:23 GMT -5
I really don't see the rush, start bringing the kids up after the manipulation date next season..maybe even mid may or so..
They'd be even more ready/get more PAs at AAA and you get that extra season assuming they don't finish top 2 in roy.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 1, 2024 10:32:27 GMT -5
I really don't see the rush, start bringing the kids up after the manipulation date next season..maybe even mid may or so.. They'd be even more ready/get more PAs at AAA and you get that extra season assuming they don't finish top 2 in roy. Anthony is the only one you can make a strong case of being mlb ready day one next year. Everyone else you can justify starting In Worcester without any “manipulation” including Campbell
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Post by itinerantherb on Sept 1, 2024 11:52:05 GMT -5
Regarding Campbell's defense, here's the write up from baseball savant. I hadn't seen it before and have no idea how accurate it is. Apologies if this has already been posted/discussed.
Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55
While Campbell is a plus runner, he's not much of a basestealer, lacks smooth infield instincts and isn't instinctive in the outfield. He has played more second base than center field early in his pro career, though scouts think his funky throwing motion likely will push him off the dirt. He doesn't cover a lot of ground in center and may fit best in left, which would put more pressure on his bat.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 1, 2024 12:19:59 GMT -5
Regarding Campbell's defense, here's the write up from baseball savant. I hadn't seen it before and have no idea how accurate it is. Apologies if this has already been posted/discussed. Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55 While Campbell is a plus runner, he's not much of a basestealer, lacks smooth infield instincts and isn't instinctive in the outfield. He has played more second base than center field early in his pro career, though scouts think his funky throwing motion likely will push him off the dirt. He doesn't cover a lot of ground in center and may fit best in left, which would put more pressure on his bat. That's from August 12th (video date), so fairly recent (Savant copies the reports from MLB.com). www.mlb.com/redsox/video/top-prospects-kristian-campbell-2b-of-ss-red-sox
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Post by patford on Sept 1, 2024 13:31:07 GMT -5
He's 22. I don't see any downside in bringing him up. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of arguments concerning having to add him to the roster, starting the clock, destroying his confidence etc. I just don't buy those arguments given his age. The only thing working against bringing him up is the Red Sox have no shot at winning the WS so they might as well wait until next year. The fact they haven't brought him up and are instead playing Mickey Gasper at 2B suggests to me management believes the team is not a legitimate post season contender. Why exactly is it that you think he’s immune to any of those concerns simply because it’s young? That’s not how it works. I mean he's 22 with college experience as opposed to an 18 year old high school kid. He'd already be protected if he was going to be rule 5 eligible. If they still don't know what he is by the time he has six years of service time he probably isn't going to be all that good. Which is to say I don't see 22 as all that young.
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Post by nonothing on Sept 1, 2024 14:39:49 GMT -5
Regarding Campbell's defense, here's the write up from baseball savant. I hadn't seen it before and have no idea how accurate it is. Apologies if this has already been posted/discussed. Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55 While Campbell is a plus runner, he's not much of a basestealer, lacks smooth infield instincts and isn't instinctive in the outfield. He has played more second base than center field early in his pro career, though scouts think his funky throwing motion likely will push him off the dirt. He doesn't cover a lot of ground in center and may fit best in left, which would put more pressure on his bat. That's from August 12th (video date), so fairly recent (Savant copies the reports from MLB.com). www.mlb.com/redsox/video/top-prospects-kristian-campbell-2b-of-ss-red-soxThat text has been on MLB.com all year I believe, possibly even from last year if I am not mistaken. Not a new take. No more useful than looking at what they thought of his hitting/power before the season unfortunately.
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Post by capesox on Sept 1, 2024 14:58:20 GMT -5
Campbell is under 1.000 OPS in Worcester now, is that legal? The world doesn't make sense anymore! lol
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Post by 1980bornsoxfan on Sept 1, 2024 15:12:03 GMT -5
I’m not sure if this is ok to post here, if not let me know where. I’d like to get his first rookie card (special version/ autographed etc). Haven’t been into the hobby since the early 90’s so kind of lost. Any recommendations?
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Post by capesox on Sept 1, 2024 16:03:41 GMT -5
I’m not sure if this is ok to post here, if not let me know where. I’d like to get his first rookie card (special version/ autographed etc). Haven’t been into the hobby since the early 90’s so kind of lost. Any recommendations? The baseball card market is very very different then it used to be. It is all about the special insert cards these days. Got to be aware of the condition of the card also. Gem Mint is much more valuable then mint cards for example. I would go on eBay and look up his cards, but look into what the cards are going for under "Sold Items" to see what the card is selling for recently. He has a Bowmen Chrome card out that has a wide range of values based on the number made. (refractors they are called) Just do a bunch of research before you buy. Go to PSA and SCG websites also for card values and how to judge condition.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 1, 2024 16:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 1, 2024 16:29:41 GMT -5
Hm I never made that comparison in my mind with Campbell and the big hurt but after thinking about it. There are some similarities to draw in the way Campbell swings and how frank Thomas did.
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Post by 1980bornsoxfan on Sept 1, 2024 18:01:13 GMT -5
I’m not sure if this is ok to post here, if not let me know where. I’d like to get his first rookie card (special version/ autographed etc). Haven’t been into the hobby since the early 90’s so kind of lost. Any recommendations? The baseball card market is very very different then it used to be. It is all about the special insert cards these days. Got to be aware of the condition of the card also. Gem Mint is much more valuable then mint cards for example. I would go on eBay and look up his cards, but look into what the cards are going for under "Sold Items" to see what the card is selling for recently. He has a Bowmen Chrome card out that has a wide range of values based on the number made. (refractors they are called) Just do a bunch of research before you buy. Go to PSA and SCG websites also for card values and how to judge condition. Thanks! I collected long enough to understand the Grading process, but it seems there’s a bit more to it now (Autograph grade etc.) I’m a big EBay user so “Sold items” search definitely gives me a guide line. The amount of different “refractors” colors is head spinning! I’ll check out PSA and SCG and do some research before I make any big purchases. Wanted to buy an Anthony card last year, and hoping I can get a Campbell card (Big Believer in the talent). Appreciate the feedback/Advice 👍
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 1, 2024 19:14:14 GMT -5
That text has been on MLB.com all year I believe, possibly even from last year if I am not mistaken. Not a new take. No more useful than looking at what they thought of his hitting/power before the season unfortunately. This was a sample of the 2024 scouting report and has been updated throughout the season (the report specifically mentions his performance in 2024). That isn't to say that some parts of the report aren't left as they were at the beginning of the year, either because the take was unchanged or simply wasn't updated. It's fine to argue that their take is wrong, but their take is their take. If you lookup the top prospects on Baseball Savant it shows past reports. Mayer, for instance, has 5 reports (2021-2024 and a pre-draft report), with the most recent (2024) specifically mentioning his season-ending injury. It's nice that they keep these at it provides a snapshot of the player, or scout's take on the player, changing over the years.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 1, 2024 19:19:08 GMT -5
Regarding Campbell's defense, here's the write up from baseball savant. I hadn't seen it before and have no idea how accurate it is. Apologies if this has already been posted/discussed. Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55 While Campbell is a plus runner, he's not much of a basestealer, lacks smooth infield instincts and isn't instinctive in the outfield. He has played more second base than center field early in his pro career, though scouts think his funky throwing motion likely will push him off the dirt. He doesn't cover a lot of ground in center and may fit best in left, which would put more pressure on his bat. This all makes it sound like a pretty good comp would be... Vaughn Grissom. Maybe a speedier, better hit tool Vaughn Grissom?
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 2, 2024 13:31:02 GMT -5
I was about to ask if something was wrong because no one posted anything about Campbell in 8 hours. The thought of Duran/Anthyony/Campbell/Devers/Casas in this lineup by the end of next year might be frightening a lot of people right now.....or not. Great post, sir 👏🏾 Likely not exactly however that same line-up in 27, far more likely. I hate to be the Debby downer but a PA reminder it takes about 2 years for nearly every player to find their own level and there is few exceptions to this rule even among the all-star level players.
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Post by nonothing on Sept 2, 2024 18:12:43 GMT -5
That text has been on MLB.com all year I believe, possibly even from last year if I am not mistaken. Not a new take. No more useful than looking at what they thought of his hitting/power before the season unfortunately. This was a sample of the 2024 scouting report and has been updated throughout the season (the report specifically mentions his performance in 2024). That isn't to say that some parts of the report aren't left as they were at the beginning of the year, either because the take was unchanged or simply wasn't updated. It's fine to argue that their take is wrong, but their take is their take. If you lookup the top prospects on Baseball Savant it shows past reports. Mayer, for instance, has 5 reports (2021-2024 and a pre-draft report), with the most recent (2024) specifically mentioning his season-ending injury. It's nice that they keep these at it provides a snapshot of the player, or scout's take on the player, changing over the years. The part about his defense is unchanged entirely or barely changed. I have read it many, many times... waiting for it to be updated.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 2, 2024 20:13:23 GMT -5
Now that Campbell has finally slowed down a bit the past few games, maybe the clamor to bring him up will die down a bit. Give him a little time to marinate in AAA. Then, when Story inevitably goes down again sometime in the first half of the 2025 season, maybe he'll be fully ready. I agree with this except if Story is not good enough overall to man short then I hope they don't play him just because of his annual pay. Should he not play short then I hope before the month of May is over that Campbell is ready to play second base regardless of Stories situation. In other words Story should not block the path of Campbell or in the very least I'd hope not. How Story's story goes in the next two years will have a big influence on the team for the fore-seeable future.
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