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Post by nonothing on Sept 2, 2024 21:35:21 GMT -5
This was a sample of the 2024 scouting report and has been updated throughout the season (the report specifically mentions his performance in 2024). That isn't to say that some parts of the report aren't left as they were at the beginning of the year, either because the take was unchanged or simply wasn't updated. It's fine to argue that their take is wrong, but their take is their take. If you lookup the top prospects on Baseball Savant it shows past reports. Mayer, for instance, has 5 reports (2021-2024 and a pre-draft report), with the most recent (2024) specifically mentioning his season-ending injury. It's nice that they keep these at it provides a snapshot of the player, or scout's take on the player, changing over the years. The part about his defense is unchanged entirely or barely changed. I have read it many, many times... waiting for it to be updated. Questioning what I wrote. Maybe it has changed? But it sounds roughly the same (and maybe it roughly is), but it also doesn't jibe with what people who have seen him are saying about him maybe being a possible better than avg 2B, if not an exceptional SS or CF.
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Post by adamgregory81 on Sept 3, 2024 12:48:43 GMT -5
I could see ranking Campbell anywhere between 1 and 4 depending on how you weight pedigree/track record, position, age, etc. I do think age matters quite a bit for hitters, especially once you’ve proven you can hit at AA - so Anthony’s ceiling feels the highest to me (e.g., if he spent 2 more years in Worcester, he’d undoubtedly be putting up video game numbers), and agree with the (much smarter) guys ranking on the site that he’s #1 - but very intelligent people disagree (I think every national outlet has Mayer higher, and generally Mayer is much higher). I’m more curious where everyone think Campbell will ultimately fall on national lists at the end of the year. We clearly have a bias here, but is it possible that we have 3 of the top 10 prospects in baseball? (And 4 of the top 25?) I asked earlier in the thread, but let’s update for continued dominance… Would you trade Campbell for… (1) Coby Mayo? (2) Jason Dominguez? (3) Emmanuel Rodriguez? (4) Max Clark? (5) Jordan Lawlar? (6) Spencer Jones (haha- couldn’t resist)? My guess is that although he will probably land very close to Teel at the back of the 20s; those of us who have paid close attention all year long would be hesitant to trade him for anything less than top 10 value. He’s been so consistently dominant, despite playing across 3 levels, continually tweaking his approach, and playing all over the field; it’s feeling like he could very much be underrated. …so 3 of the top 10 prospects in baseball was a little optimistic, but looks like BA agrees on 4 of the top 25!
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 3, 2024 18:42:08 GMT -5
Questioning what I wrote. Maybe it has changed? But it sounds roughly the same (and maybe it roughly is), but it also doesn't jibe with what people who have seen him are saying about him maybe being a possible better than avg 2B, if not an exceptional SS or CF. I've only ever seen reports (Fangraphs/BA/Pipeline) listing him as below-average to average for field/arm while noting his speed and athleticism. Mid-year reports on fielding (most reports on fielding in general) never seem to be the best, especially for players who play multiple positions, so I'd be happy to read a more positive outlook - do you have any links you could share?
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Post by nonothing on Sept 4, 2024 7:39:04 GMT -5
Questioning what I wrote. Maybe it has changed? But it sounds roughly the same (and maybe it roughly is), but it also doesn't jibe with what people who have seen him are saying about him maybe being a possible better than avg 2B, if not an exceptional SS or CF. I've only ever seen reports (Fangraphs/BA/Pipeline) listing him as below-average to average for field/arm while noting his speed and athleticism. Mid-year reports on fielding (most reports on fielding in general) never seem to be the best, especially for players who play multiple positions, so I'd be happy to read a more positive outlook - do you have any links you could share? I have seen same as you. Below avg to maybe avg field/arm, except from postings through a small number of threads on SP from people who have seen him and thought his fielding was better than that. He also, I believe, has made very few errors, despite playing multiple positions. From Fangraphs: "Campbell played second base at Tech but has also played a lot of center field so far this year. He’s a plus runner who has the wheels for it, but he needs reps to improve his feel. His athleticism has bailed him out of some bad reads; Campbell will get twisted around out there and still find a crazy way to make the play, which is pretty exciting given the context of his development..." But nobody I have read outside of SP seems to comment much on his play in the infield, where I would think he would play for the Red Sox in an ideal world. Very much looking forward to the SP guys updating their scouting report for Campbell because I think they will be the most diligent about getting the defense/arm read right for OF, 2B and SS.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 8, 2024 9:52:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation. I'm embarrassed to admit I must have seen the rankings wrong and looked at the likely projection rather than the ceiling and reviewing it now, it makes a lot more sense. All apologies. BTW I like that Campbell is now ranked @ #3 and Teel's recent SSS struggles are reflected too. I stand by my assertion several weeks back that Campbell is the first called up at second base, Anthony closer to the deadline, Teel is a September call up and Mayer makes his debut in 2026, with the assumption he and Story are both healthy next year. If I can pick a nit, "Teel's SSS struggles" are not reflected anywhere. This was 100% Campbell's rise (which, btw, may not be done yet...). You guys must have some opinions about Campbell's defense, then, which it would be interesting to hear.
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 8, 2024 9:55:32 GMT -5
If I can pick a nit, "Teel's SSS struggles" are not reflected anywhere. This was 100% Campbell's rise (which, btw, may not be done yet...). You guys must have some opinions about Campbell's defense, then, which it would be interesting to hear. FYI - I moved this over from the Roman Anthony thread
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Post by fenwaydouble on Sept 8, 2024 10:15:07 GMT -5
If I can pick a nit, "Teel's SSS struggles" are not reflected anywhere. This was 100% Campbell's rise (which, btw, may not be done yet...). You guys must have some opinions about Campbell's defense, then, which it would be interesting to hear. Discussed on the latest pod - they think he’ll be best at 2B and will basically be in the neighborhood of average give or take.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Sept 9, 2024 8:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 9, 2024 9:03:23 GMT -5
Well that is a write-up that is near drool worthy. Love it. What a gem Campbell has turned out to be.
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Post by nomar on Sept 9, 2024 9:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 9, 2024 9:52:05 GMT -5
He seems to have hit a wall lately. Wonder if he is getting tired. First year in organized ball and all.
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Post by tjb21 on Sept 9, 2024 10:08:21 GMT -5
Sweet Moses what a write-up.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 9, 2024 10:18:47 GMT -5
Sweet Moses what a write-up. Ironic that we see this writeup just as Campbell seems to be returning to Earth after an otherworldly summer. What do we think is the parent club's need on offense right now, with the club being somewhere between inconsistent and stuck in a funk? Is it for another bat that tends toward powerful, or is it a move-the-line kind of guy? If move-the-line, let's give Meidroth a shot at 2B. If not, let's bring up Grissom now that he seems to have awakened.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 9, 2024 15:17:34 GMT -5
Did not realize his swing% was so low.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 9, 2024 15:43:42 GMT -5
Did not realize his swing% was so low. He seems to wait for his pitch and absolutely hammer it.
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Post by ephus on Sept 9, 2024 16:09:54 GMT -5
For a year we have wondered where the RH bat comes from and this kid heard the prayers and put in the work. Just good stuff.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 9, 2024 16:39:50 GMT -5
...and he plays multiple premium positions also. If the offensive skillset translates to the next level that makes his bat as valuable a commodity as a player can have.
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Post by nonothing on Sept 9, 2024 20:46:05 GMT -5
For a year we have wondered where the RH bat comes from and this kid heard the prayers and put in the work. Just good stuff. Password may be just a bit behind
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 10, 2024 13:50:15 GMT -5
Geoff Pontes on the Sox Prospects podcast saying that within the Sox org its trending towards people thinking Campbell is #2 in the system
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Post by nonothing on Sept 10, 2024 19:44:35 GMT -5
Geoff Pontes on the Sox Prospects podcast saying that within the Sox org its trending towards people thinking Campbell is #2 in the system Was Anthony #1 or Mayer?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 10, 2024 21:09:36 GMT -5
Geoff Pontes on the Sox Prospects podcast saying that within the Sox org its trending towards people thinking Campbell is #2 in the system There was discussion here of who to have #2 this month. There certainly will be again for end-of-season. Geoff Pontes on the Sox Prospects podcast saying that within the Sox org its trending towards people thinking Campbell is #2 in the system Was Anthony #1 or Mayer? They literally have Anthony as the top prospect in baseball now that Caminero graduated tonight.
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Post by nonothing on Sept 10, 2024 22:26:50 GMT -5
Geoff Pontes on the Sox Prospects podcast saying that within the Sox org its trending towards people thinking Campbell is #2 in the system There was discussion here of who to have #2 this month. There certainly will be again for end-of-season. They literally have Anthony as the top prospect in baseball now that Caminero graduated tonight. The point made in the julianmorley post was about internal thoughts inside the Sox org. I meant to be referencing the box with the Geoff Pontes remark, so I was not asking about who Soxprospects.com has as #1 or who Baseball America or mlb.com or any other ranking sites have as #1. I was asking about who the Red Sox internally view as their #1. If you know the answer to that, I am all ears. But I am pretty sure Caminero has nothing to do with who the Red Sox internally view as their top prospect.
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Post by cdj on Sept 11, 2024 0:18:08 GMT -5
Kinda remarkable to have a top prospect you can put at 2B, SS, 3B, and CF and be relatively comfortable
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 11, 2024 8:38:38 GMT -5
There was discussion here of who to have #2 this month. There certainly will be again for end-of-season. They literally have Anthony as the top prospect in baseball now that Caminero graduated tonight. The point made in the julianmorley post was about internal thoughts inside the Sox org. I meant to be referencing the box with the Geoff Pontes remark, so I was not asking about who Soxprospects.com has as #1 or who Baseball America or mlb.com or any other ranking sites have as #1. I was asking about who the Red Sox internally view as their #1. If you know the answer to that, I am all ears. But I am pretty sure Caminero has nothing to do with who the Red Sox internally view as their top prospect. Ah, you were talking about the Pontes interview so I thought you meant BA. Makes much more sense now. I don't think the guys said that. I will tell you that I know it not to be a consensus answer.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 12, 2024 18:39:55 GMT -5
Hmmm. Is Grissom getting recalled? Is Marcelo more injured than we know? Very happy for Mr. Helium but this one is curious. Grissom is quickly turning the page on a down year riddled with injuries and has quietly reemerged onto the scene again. Woo Sox on TV tonight and they flashed his numbers for the past month plus and his OPS was around .845 with 5 homeruns including 2 yesterday. Also mentioned that Chase Meidroth (anyone remember Gary Cecchini?) leads all the minors with 102 walks the only question is is his lack of power at the majors going to have pitchers attacking him to the point where they major concern is a single, his first at bat ended with a warning track flyout appropriately enough. Anthony walked on 4 pitches and eventually was knocked in with a single by Grissom. A tangent question I'll throw out there, yes Devers has played better at third this year but he still was at best average, he'll be 28 before October is over so how many years does he realistically have at third? Two? He's likely heading eventually to DH, could he ever play first? Ideally he'd DH and back-up the corners in the IF.
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