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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 19, 2024 8:58:33 GMT -5
Fascinating stuff. As well as he’s hitting, he doesn’t seem like a guy you want to rush. He’s not even Rule 5 eligible until Dec. 2026. Maybe see how he does in a couple hundred ABs against AAA pitching (indeed, he has <150 PAs in Portland) before starting his clock…
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jul 19, 2024 9:24:26 GMT -5
One thing is he just started his new swing this year, right? He's already improved dramatically month to month, first with the overall numbers and then improving his in zone when he moved to Portland. Considering the dramatic improvement already I'd be pretty confident in him figuring out the rest of the kinks in the swing.
The aggressive takes was still a thing when he was in college, right? That's probably my biggest concern, similar to Anthony's "predetermine" takes, interested for what it means as they climb the ladder whether they can still make good swing decisions against better stuff.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 19, 2024 14:30:34 GMT -5
Has anyone had a chance to see how he looks defensively at shortstop?
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 20, 2024 13:05:59 GMT -5
Has anyone had a chance to see how he looks defensively at shortstop? I got to see Kristian play short for 4 days in Hartford when Marcelo was in Texas. He filled in nicely, making plays to each side and was very good on popups. He didn't have any highlight reel plays on grounders but was solid. I thought the arm was average or close to it (Just like in his SP profile). That was the 4 day look I got. I believe the only error I saw him make was Tuesday playing 2nd when he made a nice play on a grounder up the middle but really had no chance to get the runner and threw the ball away.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 20, 2024 22:28:29 GMT -5
Didn't he only play SS as a fill-in? I don't think there are any plans to play him there regularly, has anyone heard that?
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Post by nonothing on Jul 21, 2024 8:06:51 GMT -5
Didn't he only play SS as a fill-in? I don't think there are any plans to play him there regularly, has anyone heard that? I have not. You probably know he was SS in college. I imagine they would love if he could at least be an injury replacement SS option in a game at the MLB level. And at this point, he does seem to be developing a utility player skill set, playing a lot of spots. I have never heard anyone say they think he is likely to be a primary SS at the MLB level, though suspect they wanted to get a look when it didn't cost Mayer reps. Has anyone heard more about whether they prefer him as OF vs 2B (if position need weren't the determining factor)? Or if they see him as potentially more than a Utility SS?
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Post by costpet on Jul 21, 2024 10:48:31 GMT -5
I think we're pretty much covered at SS. We only have about 40 of them. On the other hand, we drafted 14 pitchers. Hope there's a couple of good ones there.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 21, 2024 11:30:46 GMT -5
Didn't he only play SS as a fill-in? I don't think there are any plans to play him there regularly, has anyone heard that? I have not. You probably know he was SS in college. I imagine they would love if he could at least be an injury replacement SS option in a game at the MLB level. And at this point, he does seem to be developing a utility player skill set, playing a lot of spots. I have never heard anyone say they think he is likely to be a primary SS at the MLB level, though suspect they wanted to get a look when it didn't cost Mayer reps. Has anyone heard more about whether they prefer him as OF vs 2B (if position need weren't the determining factor)? Or if they see him as potentially more than a Utility SS? I agree. I think the team wants him in a similar mold of Ceddanne though obviously doesn’t have the GG tools that Ceddanne has. If anything has taught us the last few years, the team likes to prioritize multi-position flexibility.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 27, 2024 10:35:58 GMT -5
This guy is getting harder to ignore by the day. Is playing short again with Mayer out. Now hiring .390 at AA. I know there is a log jam at wooster of middle infielders, but I am not sure Campbell has anything left to prove at AA. Is it too early to promote him again?
Would hate to go out and trade half the farm system for a right handed bat and find out we had one in Campbell all the time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2024 11:59:47 GMT -5
This guy is getting harder to ignore by the day. Is playing short again with Mayer out. Now hiring .390 at AA. I know there is a log jam at wooster of middle infielders, but I am not sure Campbell has anything left to prove at AA. Is it too early to promote him again? Would hate to go out and trade half the farm system for a right handed bat and find out we had one in Campbell all the time. He has a ridiculous BABIP, but even if you let the air out of it, he's still raking. I expect he'll hammer pitchers in AAA just like Nick Yorke is doing. Just like Kavadas and Dalbec have done. Just like Rafaela. He'll either struggle or initially succeed and then struggle when he winds up in the majors, but that's normal. I dont know what to make of his weird swing mechanics but if its working there's no reason to change it unless its clearly not working which could be the case in the majors. But the 3 scenarios are it works in the majors too and the Sox have an all star. Or it could fail and he could readjust his swing to something else the coaches recommend for him as this wasnt his original swing and he has already proven that he's highly adaptable and highly coachable, which bodes well for him making successful adjustments if he struggles. Or his swing fails and he's nothing special in the majors. While all 3 scenarios are possible I just think the 3rd scenario is least likely. I could be wrong but I think the Sox have something special here in Campbell.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2024 12:09:55 GMT -5
Maybe time to revive and reinvent the Mookie Meter.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2024 13:22:34 GMT -5
I think Campbell has things he needs to work on and I cringe every time I see "Big 4" because I think there's a much larger gap between Teel and Campbell than there is between Campbell and, say, the number 8 or 9 prospect in the system, whoever you've got there (Bleis, Arias, Cespedes, Perales in some order behind him, for me).
But I also think it might be true that Campbell might need to get pushed to AAA to work on what he needs to work on. If he's still got a ~ .390/.490/.580 or so line in mid-August, moving him up has to be on the table at least. How can you really work on things hitting like that? Consider also that Worcester plays until September 22, a week longer than Portland and, honestly, late enough that promoting a guy near the end of August is actually worthwhile now (for those who don't remember, the minors all used to finish in very early September).
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Post by nomar on Jul 27, 2024 13:38:30 GMT -5
I know I’m splitting hairs here, but over the past month the real highlight for me is the 11.5% K Rate. Otherwise he’s raking on the back of BABIP (.411 in July) without hitting for power (0 HR, 8 2B, .125 ISO). The K% is still a nice W after his rough start to the year in that department, but it’s not like he’s clobbering the ball every night and needs a promotion ASAP.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 27, 2024 13:44:31 GMT -5
IMO Campbell really earned his A+ batting stats but in AA he's been super lucky. Lots of bloopers and infield hits. Don't get me wrong, he'd still have a good line even with average luck
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2024 13:45:08 GMT -5
I think Campbell has things he needs to work on and I cringe every time I see "Big 4" because I think there's a much larger gap between Teel and Campbell than there is between Campbell and, say, the number 8 or 9 prospect in the system, whoever you've got there (Bleis, Arias, Cespedes, Perales in some order behind him, for me). But I also think it might be true that Campbell might need to get pushed to AAA to work on what he needs to work on. If he's still got a ~ .390/.490/.580 or so line in mid-August, moving him up has to be on the table at least. How can you really work on things hitting like that? Consider also that Worcester plays until September 22, a week longer than Portland and, honestly, late enough that promoting a guy near the end of August is actually worthwhile now (for those who don't remember, the minors all used to finish in very early September). I probably missed it but beyond the unorthodox swing what are the things he needs to work on?
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 27, 2024 13:48:09 GMT -5
I think Campbell has things he needs to work on and I cringe every time I see "Big 4" because I think there's a much larger gap between Teel and Campbell than there is between Campbell and, say, the number 8 or 9 prospect in the system, whoever you've got there (Bleis, Arias, Cespedes, Perales in some order behind him, for me). But I also think it might be true that Campbell might need to get pushed to AAA to work on what he needs to work on. If he's still got a ~ .390/.490/.580 or so line in mid-August, moving him up has to be on the table at least. How can you really work on things hitting like that? Consider also that Worcester plays until September 22, a week longer than Portland and, honestly, late enough that promoting a guy near the end of August is actually worthwhile now (for those who don't remember, the minors all used to finish in very early September). I probably missed it but beyond the unorthodox swing what are the things he needs to work on? Get Q for the SP boys cause I can’t spot anything myself. Certainly can’t be plate discipline at this point seeing he has more walks than Ks this month.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 27, 2024 13:48:44 GMT -5
IMO Campbell really earned his A+ batting stats but in AA he's been super lucky. Lots of bloopers and infield hits. Don't get me wrong, he'd still have a good line even with average luck Sure, but wouldn’t you want to test this luck @ Worcester at this point?
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 27, 2024 13:55:28 GMT -5
IMO Campbell really earned his A+ batting stats but in AA he's been super lucky. Lots of bloopers and infield hits. Don't get me wrong, he'd still have a good line even with average luck Sure, but wouldn’t you want to test this luck @ Worcester at this point? Yorke, Grissom, Valdez and Meidroth are all vying for 2B reps in AAA. Is adding Campbell to that equation really the move at this point? I say very much no. Let’s see how the AAA roster looks after the deadline.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2024 14:19:24 GMT -5
Sure, but wouldn’t you want to test this luck @ Worcester at this point? Yorke, Grissom, Valdez and Meidroth are all vying for 2B reps in AAA. Is adding Campbell to that equation really the move at this point? I say very much no. Let’s see how the AAA roster looks after the deadline. Today is day 7 of 20 for Grissom's rehab assignment. By the time moving Campbell up is a consideration he'll be in Boston most likely. Also Campbell is playing plenty of OF. They would make it work.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2024 14:24:08 GMT -5
I probably missed it but beyond the unorthodox swing what are the things he needs to work on? Get Q for the SP boys cause I can’t spot anything myself. Certainly can’t be plate discipline at this point seeing he has more walks than Ks this month. See James' post above. The aggressiveness in his approach - not necessarily swinging, but just every pitch, even his takes are aggressive. Just watch him hit. It's not just an unorthodox swing. I fear better pitching can potentially take full advantage of that. The issue is just finding out at each level if that's going to happen.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2024 14:31:17 GMT -5
IMO Campbell really earned his A+ batting stats but in AA he's been super lucky. Lots of bloopers and infield hits. Don't get me wrong, he'd still have a good line even with average luck To put rough numbers on the point, the other day I normalized his AA line to a .301 BABIP (I forget where it was that day but it's .461 today) and got .261/.381/.463 (basically removing 17 singles). The .844 OPS is basically right where Mayer and Teel are and ahead of Anthony. And note that Mayer has a .361 BABIP and Teel is at .382, so that's not a fair comparison. When you hit the ball hard your BABIP is higher. So while there's luck in there, like Julyan said, it's not like his success is driven by that luck.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 27, 2024 14:34:54 GMT -5
Curious what the latest is on Campbell’s defense at different positions? Is he plus anywhere?
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 27, 2024 22:47:19 GMT -5
Can he play 3rd? In my perfect world he can and can take over for Devers in 2 years and let Devers focus on being Big Papi and being the full time DH starting in 2026. Campbell, Mayer, Yorke, Casas, Teel infield would be awesome! We're at that point though that we have a ton of talent and not many openings to put them. It's a good problem though!
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 28, 2024 7:57:13 GMT -5
Can he play 3rd? In my perfect world he can and can take over for Devers in 2 years and let Devers focus on being Big Papi and being the full time DH starting in 2026. Campbell, Mayer, Yorke, Casas, Teel infield would be awesome! We're at that point though that we have a ton of talent and not many openings to put them. It's a good problem though! Not to mention by that time the Outfield could be Jarred Duran, Ceddanne Rafaela, Roman Anthony and Montgomery (a year away).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 8:10:19 GMT -5
If Grissom comes back and establishes himself there could be a scenario when Campbell plays 2b and Grissom winds up at 3b with Devers getting DH ABs. Thought I feel Devers has actually been a lot better at 3b this year than in years past, and yes, who knows if Grissom can handle 3b?
I think that's less likely, but possible. More likely one of them winds up at 2b and the other is traded...or both wind up gone if they feel Yorke is the guy at 2b. At some point soon theyll have to make a decision as to who they see as their 2b of the future and trade the others away. The other option is that Campbell eventually replaces O'Neill, whom I dont think will be back after this year. In a perfect world he accepts a QO, but I think he can do better than that and will be gone. That could open up some OF ABs but even that's a bit of a stretch as Rafaela sooner or later will wind up in CF. Whether its Story until he breaks down or Mayer emerging, eventually SS will be spoken for and Rafaela will wind up in CF with Duran in LF.
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