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Post by ephus on Jul 8, 2024 16:50:23 GMT -5
What if Campbell is who people want Christian Moore to be? I don't think it changes the draft strategy, but might it just a little? The obvious counter... what if Christian Moore is who people want Campbell to be? But Kristian is already Mr. Helium so that would have to mean..... Welcome Mr. Hydrogen!
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Post by adamgregory81 on Jul 8, 2024 17:57:18 GMT -5
Campbell’s defense would keep me out of the tier personally. Mayer and Anthony have a shot to stick up the middle, mayer more so based on recent reporting, but at a minimum should be very good at the corners. Teel should stick at catcher and at least be average if not better. I have no idea where Campbell will play or what he projects grade wise. I’m hoping we get more reports on his defense in the future. To this point - does anyone have a sense of his speed tool? I was under the impression that speed was a carrying tool, but haven’t seen it discussed much this year as he’s been too busy mashing. (Obviously, speed alone will not make a + CF, but it’s a good start).
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Post by adamgregory81 on Jul 8, 2024 18:10:26 GMT -5
An idea for soxprospects clickbait, poll the masses on the following AL east prospects:
(1) Kristian (teddy, “don’t call me Mookie”) Campbell; (2) Spencer Jones; (3) Keston Kjerstad; or (4) Orelvis Martinez.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 8, 2024 18:15:23 GMT -5
An idea for soxprospects clickbait, poll the masses on the following AL east prospects: (1) Kristian (teddy, “don’t call me Mookie”) Campbell; (2) Spencer Jones; (3) Keston Kjerstad; or (4) Orelvis Martinez. An invitation to check in on Spencer Jones, you say? Well all right!
A 46.7% K rate since June 15th, is how he's doing. 37% for the year, as a 23 year old in AA.
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Post by patford on Jul 8, 2024 18:18:04 GMT -5
Campbell’s defense would keep me out of the tier personally. Mayer and Anthony have a shot to stick up the middle, mayer more so based on recent reporting, but at a minimum should be very good at the corners. Teel should stick at catcher and at least be average if not better. I have no idea where Campbell will play or what he projects grade wise. I’m hoping we get more reports on his defense in the future. To this point - does anyone have a sense of his speed tool? I was under the impression that speed was a carrying tool, but haven’t seen it discussed much this year as he’s been too busy mashing. (Obviously, speed alone will not make a + CF, but it’s a good start). Hard to say. His Sox Prospects scouting report says he has "plus speed." www.soxprospects.com/players/campbell-kristian.htmOn the new pod Ian said there are scouts saying "Campbell may end up not being even an average runner." That is a huge variance and very confusing as it's not like he's an 18 year old kid who is still growing and it's not been reported there are concerns about his conditioning him showing up carrying a lot of extra weight.
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jul 9, 2024 22:13:46 GMT -5
Another strong performance for K-Camp tonight, both at bat and in the field. What is the fastest we could possibly see him move on from Portland if he sustains anything close to this pace? The sample size is increasing and he does not appear challenged by AA.
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Post by patford on Jul 10, 2024 9:06:40 GMT -5
Another strong performance for K-Camp tonight, both at bat and in the field. What is the fastest we could possibly see him move on from Portland if he sustains anything close to this pace? The sample size is increasing and he does not appear challenged by AA. The perceived problem is his very unconventional swing. As that likely isn't something which can be fixed (if the Sox thought it needed to be fixed wouldn't that be happening now?) he probably should be promoted very aggressively to find out if he's a unicorn. The sooner the Sox find out the better as he is a college graduate and not a 17 year old in the DSL.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 10, 2024 9:10:09 GMT -5
Another strong performance for K-Camp tonight, both at bat and in the field. What is the fastest we could possibly see him move on from Portland if he sustains anything close to this pace? The sample size is increasing and he does not appear challenged by AA. Looking back, Yoan Moncada and Tacoby Bellsbury are the only prospects I can find with a comparable amount of time in Portland (though still over 200 compared to Campbell's 177). Devers, Benintendi, Casas, Pedroia, Betts and Bogaerts had between 250 and 350. Middlebrooks and Rizzo had more. That said, Moncada, Ellsbury, and Benintendi all made jumps from A+ to AA to MLB in the same year -- all skipping AAA if iirc -- and plenty of prospects go AA to MLB (often through AAA) in the same year. To finish the thought, I guess I'd be surprised if they rushed him up right after the ASB, but a call-up to AAA or even MLB isn't out of the question for some point in August. He'd also be a very good candidate for playing in the AFL.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 10, 2024 9:34:54 GMT -5
Another strong performance for K-Camp tonight, both at bat and in the field. What is the fastest we could possibly see him move on from Portland if he sustains anything close to this pace? The sample size is increasing and he does not appear challenged by AA. Looking back, Yoan Moncada and Tacoby Bellsbury are the only prospects I can find with a comparable amount of time in Portland (though still over 200 compared to Campbell's 177). Devers, Benintendi, Casas, Pedroia, Betts and Bogaerts had between 250 and 350. Middlebrooks and Rizzo had more. That said, Moncada, Ellsbury, and Benintendi all made jumps from A+ to AA to MLB in the same year -- all skipping AAA if iirc -- and plenty of prospects go AA to MLB (often through AAA) in the same year. To finish the thought, I guess I'd be surprised if they rushed him up right after the ASB, but a call-up to AAA or even MLB isn't out of the question for some point in August. He'd also be a very good candidate for playing in the AFL.
A call up to MLB in August is very much out of the question. There is no non-zero chance of this, it’s zero.
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Post by seamus on Jul 10, 2024 10:38:43 GMT -5
I could see a promotion to AAA if it helps clear room in Portland when the promotion train starts this month, with the idea being he starts getting comfortable with the level he'd start at next year, but there's no rush in my mind when he has stuff to work on defensively.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2024 11:47:33 GMT -5
If Campbell gets a bump to AAA it's going to be in like, late August to give him a taste of the level.
There's no need to move him to make room in Portland.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jul 10, 2024 13:07:16 GMT -5
He's clearly excelling in Portland, including his K/BB percentages, but that Bonds-ian triple slash is seriously inflated by a ton of batted ball luck.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jul 10, 2024 13:32:17 GMT -5
He's clearly excelling in Portland, including his K/BB percentages, but that Bonds-ian triple slash is seriously inflated by a ton of batted ball luck. To be fair, it's pretty much impossible to have that type of slash without a combination of being great and having luck.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jul 10, 2024 14:03:05 GMT -5
For sure. Just trying throw a little cold water on the "he's obviously too good for AA, and maybe also AAA" sentiment. But even if you knock .150 off his BABIP, his line is still really good.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 10, 2024 16:06:32 GMT -5
Looking back, Yoan Moncada and Tacoby Bellsbury are the only prospects I can find with a comparable amount of time in Portland (though still over 200 compared to Campbell's 177). Devers, Benintendi, Casas, Pedroia, Betts and Bogaerts had between 250 and 350. Middlebrooks and Rizzo had more. That said, Moncada, Ellsbury, and Benintendi all made jumps from A+ to AA to MLB in the same year -- all skipping AAA if iirc -- and plenty of prospects go AA to MLB (often through AAA) in the same year. To finish the thought, I guess I'd be surprised if they rushed him up right after the ASB, but a call-up to AAA or even MLB isn't out of the question for some point in August. He'd also be a very good candidate for playing in the AFL.
A call up to MLB in August is very much out of the question. There is no non-zero chance of this, it’s zero. Does he have to be up in August to be on the playoff roster, or can he get a September call, and then slide in based on a 60-man IL player's spot? I'm not saying this is likely, but his current pace is nearly unprecedented. Sure he doesn't have the pedigree of Benintendi, Moncada and Ellsbury, but Georgia Tech and 4th round isn't a bad place to start from. I just think that if the right guys (Romy, Grissom, Refsnyder) struggle or are injured, he might be a potential late-season call-up, and even considered for the playoffs. Again, lots of specific things would have to go right AND wrong for that to happen.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 10, 2024 16:37:12 GMT -5
A call up to MLB in August is very much out of the question. There is no non-zero chance of this, it’s zero. Does he have to be up in August to be on the playoff roster, or can he get a September call, and then slide in based on a 60-man IL player's spot? I'm not saying this is likely, but his current pace is nearly unprecedented. Sure he doesn't have the pedigree of Benintendi, Moncada and Ellsbury, but Georgia Tech and 4th round isn't a bad place to start from. I just think that if the right guys (Romy, Grissom, Refsnyder) struggle or are injured, he might be a potential late-season call-up, and even considered for the playoffs. Again, lots of specific things would have to go right AND wrong for that to happen. No, he doesn't have to be on the roster in August. Just certain conditions need to be met. www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/postseason-roster-rules-eligibility
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 18, 2024 17:45:54 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 18, 2024 20:04:44 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 18, 2024 20:21:01 GMT -5
Kris Bryant in 2014 is the only player with 140 PAs in AA and a higher wRC+ than Campbell (220 vs 219). The next season Bryant put up 6.1 WAR in MLB
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 18, 2024 20:46:15 GMT -5
Kris Bryant in 2014 is the only player with 140 PAs in AA and a higher wRC+ than Campbell (220 vs 219). The next season Bryant put up 6.1 WAR in MLB I like the idea of including Campbell in a Fab Four grouping, but he does not need to be on the same track as the other three. By mid-August, he should have another 80+ ABs. If he is still raking by then, the argument to move him up will be compelling.
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Post by cmax on Jul 19, 2024 5:55:33 GMT -5
Heard Paul Toboni mention recently that Campbell gained 15 pounds in the off-season and that his body fat percentage actually went down.
Now something like an athletic 6'3" 210 with more physical upside, Campbell apparently has a great attitude, works extremely hard, is highly coachable and eager to learn.
His father Kenneth Campbell is listed online at 6'2" 229 lb from his time as a college running back for the Tennessee Volunteers from 1990-92; though he didn't star on those teams, he obviously must have been a terrific athlete as he played and they were an AP top 10 or 15 team each of those years.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 19, 2024 6:24:59 GMT -5
A day or two ago I was of the mindset that if a true impact player, most likely P could be acquired for Campbell I'd be alright with him being traded. However I think I have to change that tune now and have him on my I would be upset to see them go list. That list previously was the big 3 now it is a big 4.
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Post by cmax on Jul 19, 2024 6:48:18 GMT -5
A day or two ago I was of the mindset that if a true impact player, most likely P could be acquired for Campbell I'd be alright with him being traded. However I think I have to change that tune now and have him on my I would be upset to see them go list. That list previously was the big 3 now it is a big 4. He really does seem like a great piece of the emerging core with his RHB profile, athleticism, and versatile defense that can toggle between IF and OF. Doesn't seem out of the question that in addition to being solid at 2B and all of the OF positions, he could also possibly play some 3B or 1B if needed to give Casas or Devers an occasional breather or slide over if either of them are replaced for a pinch runner.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 19, 2024 8:05:41 GMT -5
Forgive me if I’ve missed something here as I’ve floated in and out of this thread, but his batted ball data is fine, right? And the only things we’re really “concerned” about are the aesthetics and the defense?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 19, 2024 8:31:41 GMT -5
Concern about the way his lower body moves during his swing is more than simple aesthetics. Not that I don't think he can succeed with such a weird swing - quite the opposite, in fact, since I think the way he's shown his hand-eye coordination and wrist/arm strength in powering the ball on some weird-looking swings at hard-to-hit pitches is incredibly rare - but I do think it's still going to need some correction. It's not simply a Kevin Youkilis situation where his hands are doing weird stuff before he gets into hitting position and his body was kinda weird but everything was working in unison (and even still, he would get into stretches where he'd be out in front a little too often). Campbell's legs aren't just too busy, it's too often that they're not quite in sync with his hips and upper half.
I also continue to be concerned with how punchy his takes are - I'm worried that as velocity increases and secondaries are over the plate more often, if he's making his swing decisions too late then he'll have more trouble correcting and get taken advantage of more at the top levels. Maybe he's got the body control to pull it off though - again with the Youkilis comparison, that guy seemed to successfully check his swing constantly, and it may just be a similar thing that there are so many moving parts that it's a quirk of making it work.
It's weird, because it's not a traditional stats vs. tools thing, since he has all the physical tools AND he has the stats. It's almost like when you see a pitcher in the mid-minors able to put up great numbers because he's got excellent stuff but the command and delivery consistency aren't there yet. Those aren't aesthetic issues.
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