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Post by bluechip on Jul 28, 2024 8:15:23 GMT -5
If Grissom comes back and establishes himself there could be a scenario when Campbell plays 2b and Grissom winds up at 3b with Devers getting DH ABs. Thought I feel Devers has actually been a lot better at 3b this year than in years past, and yes, who knows if Grissom can handle 3b? I think that's less likely, but possible. More likely one of them winds up at 2b and the other is traded...or both wind up gone if they feel Yorke is the guy at 2b. At some point soon theyll have to make a decision as to who they see as their 2b of the future and trade the others away. The other option is that Campbell eventually replaces O'Neill, whom I dont think will be back after this year. In a perfect world he accepts a QO, but I think he can do better than that and will be gone. That could open up some OF ABs but even that's a bit of a stretch as Rafaela sooner or later will wind up in CF. Whether its Story until he breaks down or Mayer emerging, eventually SS will be spoken for and Rafaela will wind up in CF with Duran in LF. Grissom and Kampbell could both end up in the outfield (left field likely). That’s where the Braves saw Grissom. Campbell has been playing the outfield in the minors. I am not sure I see them as blocking each other.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 8:23:36 GMT -5
If Grissom comes back and establishes himself there could be a scenario when Campbell plays 2b and Grissom winds up at 3b with Devers getting DH ABs. Thought I feel Devers has actually been a lot better at 3b this year than in years past, and yes, who knows if Grissom can handle 3b? I think that's less likely, but possible. More likely one of them winds up at 2b and the other is traded...or both wind up gone if they feel Yorke is the guy at 2b. At some point soon theyll have to make a decision as to who they see as their 2b of the future and trade the others away. The other option is that Campbell eventually replaces O'Neill, whom I dont think will be back after this year. In a perfect world he accepts a QO, but I think he can do better than that and will be gone. That could open up some OF ABs but even that's a bit of a stretch as Rafaela sooner or later will wind up in CF. Whether its Story until he breaks down or Mayer emerging, eventually SS will be spoken for and Rafaela will wind up in CF with Duran in LF. Grissom and Kampbell could both end up in the outfield (left field likely). That’s where the Braves saw Grissom. Campbell has been playing the outfield in the minors. I am not sure I see them as blocking each other. Maybe in 2025 if O'Neill is gone, Story is injured, and Mayer isnt ready so Rafaela is needed for SS and Duran is needed for CF, that could open up LF a bit and the other could play 2b, providing that Hamilton isnt the preferred option and Yourke has been dealt away. Or there's the wild card of perhaps Breslow somehow succeeds in trading Yoshida and opening up DH ABs. I think there's a lot of scenarios that need to play out in which both arent competing for 2b and the presence of all of Hamilton, Yorke, and Valdez complicates the matter. I think Breslow will be trading away 2b this offseason, whittling down his options, and then will go with whoever they decide to keep. I think Valdez will go. Hamilton will be in a super utility insurance role, and then one or even two of Yorke, Grissom, and Campbell will be gone in a trade for pitching or a RH bat (I would guess pitching).
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Post by okin15 on Jul 30, 2024 15:56:17 GMT -5
With Yorke gone, there's a little more room in AAA, but given comments by SP brass, I don't expect KC is jumping up right away even though I dream-want him in Boston like yesterday.
Regardless, despite all the high minors depth at 2B, it seems that only Grissom, Campbell or Hamilton are likely to be MLB average or better at 2B, and possibly the latter is more suited to a utility role. Valdez and Meidroth could be better than replacement level, but would need a lot of development to play the position at an impact level. Of course there are guys coming up behind them that could one day be counted on, but it's pretty soon to be putting Romero, Arias and Cespedes in this conversation, and the scouting report (and age) for Reimer both have him more as a Meidroth-type at the moment -- though anything can happen!
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2024 15:58:36 GMT -5
With Yorke gone, there's a little more room in AAA, but given comments by SP brass, I don't expect KC is jumping up right away even though I dream-want him in Boston like yesterday. Regardless, despite all the depth at 2B, the likelihood is that only Grissom, Campbell or Hamilton are real candidates to be MLB average at 2B, and it seems to me like the latter is really more suited to a utility role. Sure Valdez and Meidroth could be better than replacement level, but would need a lot of development to play the position at an impact level. Of course there are guys coming up behind them that could one day be counted on, but pretty soon to be putting Romero, Arias and Cespedes in this conversation, and the scouting report (and age) for Reimer both have him more as a Meidroth-type at the moment -- though anything can happen! If the rumors of Mayer being promoted sooner than later, that Grissom could be demoted after his rehab and already Meidroth at AAA there isn't really room for Campbell in AAA at the moment it would seem. He can play some OF too but Anthony is also said to be getting a promotion soon enough too.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 30, 2024 18:32:36 GMT -5
A Grissom and Hamilton tandem at 2B seems pretty good to me considering both of their skill sets. But then again I may be higher on Hamilton than most.
Is there any incentive, team-control wise, to keep Grissom at AAA?
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Post by kman22 on Jul 30, 2024 18:44:52 GMT -5
A Grissom and Hamilton tandem at 2B seems pretty good to me considering both of their skill sets. But then again I may be higher on Hamilton than most. Is there any incentive, team-control wise, to keep Grissom at AAA? Build confidence and rhythm after a season that's been derailed by multiple health issues.
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Post by orion09 on Jul 31, 2024 2:08:05 GMT -5
A Grissom and Hamilton tandem at 2B seems pretty good to me considering both of their skill sets. But then again I may be higher on Hamilton than most. Is there any incentive, team-control wise, to keep Grissom at AAA? Too lazy to go back and count exactly, but he was at 94 days of service time coming into the year and he’s been on the MLB IL all season, so he should be well over 1 year of service time by now. So unless he spends significant amounts of time at AAA next year (in which case he might gain an extra year), there isn’t any service time benefit to keeping him down right now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 31, 2024 5:43:32 GMT -5
One year is 172. He was at 94 and there have been 125 days, so he's at 1.047?
Yeah I can't imagine how service time chicanery would work there.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 5, 2024 10:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2024 11:06:34 GMT -5
In the BA link, to be clear, the intro says it's about members of the top 100 who have "caught their eyes," not that these are guys who will keep rising in the top 100. Confusing wording.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Aug 5, 2024 16:52:07 GMT -5
I just noticed he walked more times in July than he struck out. 12bb/10k in 92 PA.
K% April: 31.1% (A+) 61 PA May: 23.4% (A+) 107 PA June: 19.8% (3k/9PA in A+ ball, in AA 18.6%) 106 PA July: 10.9%% (AA) 92 PA
He also hasn't hit a HR in his last 26 games, 116 PA. During that stretch he's slashing .330/.440/.443, .402 BAbip. 15bb/16k. 10sb/3cs.
For the year, his K% is 20.5%. At A+, it's 26.6% (177 PA). At AA, it's 15.2% (198 PA). That's pretty remarkable.
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Post by bishop on Aug 7, 2024 16:27:37 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Aug 7, 2024 17:25:04 GMT -5
With his dramatic decrease in Whiff and K, has come a dramatic decrease in hard contact overall, not just his lack of home runs. He's talked multiple times about trying to find the right balance of his offense abilities, so I assume this is just an ebb and flow.
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Post by christianarroyossock on Aug 7, 2024 19:00:07 GMT -5
With his dramatic decrease in Whiff and K, has come a dramatic decrease in hard contact overall, not just his lack of home runs. He's talked multiple times about trying to find the right balance of his offense abilities, so I assume this is just an ebb and flow. pretty remarkable that he can just switch between being Barry bonds and ichiro but I think I’d prefer Barry.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 7, 2024 20:49:20 GMT -5
With his dramatic decrease in Whiff and K, has come a dramatic decrease in hard contact overall, not just his lack of home runs. He's talked multiple times about trying to find the right balance of his offense abilities, so I assume this is just an ebb and flow. pretty remarkable that he can just switch between being Barry bonds and ichiro but I think I’d prefer Barry. As a fan, I prefer "keep the line moving" offense to "three true outcomes" offense.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 7, 2024 22:14:29 GMT -5
Barry's three true outcomes were homers, walks, and intentional walks.
I'm serious, from 2001 through the end of his career he had more intentional walks than strikeouts.
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Post by keninten on Aug 7, 2024 22:42:34 GMT -5
Barry's three true outcomes were homers, walks, and intentional walks. I'm serious, from 2001 through the end of his career he had more intentional walks than strikeouts. Didn`t he get intentionally walked with the bases loaded?
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Post by cmax on Aug 7, 2024 23:18:32 GMT -5
Barry's three true outcomes were homers, walks, and intentional walks. I'm serious, from 2001 through the end of his career he had more intentional walks than strikeouts. Didn`t he get intentionally walked with the bases loaded? Yup. Arizona was up 2 in the bottom of the 9th and intentionally walked Bonds with the bases loaded to make it 8-7. Arizona then got the final out to win the game on a hard hit line drive to the right fielder. Buck Showalter was the manager who made that brave decision, although some might argue that Bonds' extraordinary ability made the decision for Showalter and it would have required more bravery to give him a hittable pitch in that situation.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Aug 8, 2024 8:39:18 GMT -5
pretty remarkable that he can just switch between being Barry bonds and ichiro but I think I’d prefer Barry. As a fan, I prefer "keep the line moving" offense to "three true outcomes" offense. I don't get this thread. Are we pretending Barry Bonds struck out a lot? That career 12.2% K% rate sure is awful. So much worse than Ichiro's 10.1%. How can anyone possibly prefer Ichiro?
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Post by LoneStarSox on Aug 8, 2024 8:52:08 GMT -5
As a fan, I prefer "keep the line moving" offense to "three true outcomes" offense. I don't get this thread. Are we pretending Barry Bonds struck out a lot? That career 12.2% K% rate sure is awful. So much worse than Ichiro's 10.1%. How can anyone possibly prefer Ichiro? as I’m sure you are aware his teammates in Portland have bequeathed the nickname “Barry Bonds”. Beyond that, it was just a poor attempt at using two HOFer’s calling cards (Power and Contact) as a response to stats empirical evidence.
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Post by hank on Aug 8, 2024 8:55:49 GMT -5
As a fan, I prefer "keep the line moving" offense to "three true outcomes" offense. I don't get this thread. Are we pretending Barry Bonds struck out a lot? That career 12.2% K% rate sure is awful. So much worse than Ichiro's 10.1%. How can anyone possibly prefer Ichiro? Personally I prefer guys that don't cheat but that's just me
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 8, 2024 8:59:26 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread focused on Kristian Campbell, please.
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Post by christianarroyossock on Aug 8, 2024 9:17:42 GMT -5
All I was trying to say is that his production was better when he was still going for power. But, if the Sox implored him to start hitting for average instead and limit strikeouts they must’ve believed that it would be more sustainable at AAA and the majors.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2024 12:17:08 GMT -5
All I was trying to say is that his production was better when he was still going for power. But, if the Sox implored him to start hitting for average instead and limit strikeouts they must’ve believed that it would be more sustainable at AAA and the majors. I mean, this clearly isn't what happened though right? Nobody was like "Kristian, you're messing with our budget for new baseballs, cut the crap with this 'home run' nonsense." If they have him working on something that is leading to what the numbers look like, that's one thing. But it's not like the thing they're working on is trying to get him to sacrifice power to raise his batting average a few points. It'd be something like trying to focus more on making contact for a while and incorporating that into his full approach including hitting bombs.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 8, 2024 12:56:49 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, then:
a) The Red Sox drafted Campbell because they thought they could unlock some power in his swing. He then proceeded to unlock a ton of power in his swing (and put up great overall numbers).
b) The Red Sox then asked him to make an adjustment that would result in more contact. He then proceeded to make a lot more contact (and continued to put up great overall numbers).
Is it fair to say that this general pattern is a really bullish sign for how well he might continue to adjust at the higher levels?
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