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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2024 12:34:39 GMT -5
The fact that Campbell is doing what he's doing shows he listens to his coaches. There's no reason to think that he isn't. Let's get off of that because it's nonsense.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2024 22:13:05 GMT -5
Even with an aggressive swing, Campbell has showcased strong plate discipline in Portland — with his strikeout rate of 14.8 percent standing as the 13th-best in Double-A, as noted by The Boston Globe’s Sarah Barber.
Despite showcasing a high contact rate during his collegiate career, the Red Sox have make a concerted effort to harness more power out of Campbell’s swing — with the results speaking for themselves so far this summer. . . . “A credit to him he came in, and it was kind of a new style of hitting for what he came from at Georgia Tech, I think, and he was willing to learn and he grinded all offseason. He was there every day in Florida when we were there,” Anthony said. “Every day at spring training. He’s constantly grinding. So it’s not by accident. But we’re hoping to see him here soon because he’s a stud.” www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2024/08/14/kristian-campbell-red-sox-prospects-roman-anthony-worcester-red-soxEnd of nonsense....
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Post by bishop on Aug 18, 2024 16:15:10 GMT -5
Searched the deep web to find a video showing some aggressive swings from him - www.instagram.com/soxprospects/reel/C-ZDCJVunkX/He loads up on every pitch and that 3rd pitch swing looks really really ugly, but you know else swings out of his shoes and looks really really ugly when he is occasionally fooled? Rafael Devers. It's certainly unorthodox (I think someone here said it's not the most violent swing they've ever seen, but he has the most violent takes, almost like it's a last second check swing every time), and it takes an athlete with elite balance, pitch recognition, and hand eye coordination to pull it off without striking out or making weak contact a lot... but we've seen guys do that in MLB history. Hunter Pence had one of the most unique but also ugliest swings ever, Vlad Guerrero was the best bad ball hitter I've ever seen, even someone like Cedanne Rafaela who genuinely has a pretty bad approach but makes up for it enough with elite hand eye coordination (and elite skills elsewhere) was being thrown under the bus here by some when his BABIP sucked and he was adjusting to MLB pitching, but his minor league stats held true. If Campbell was showing elite stats, or exit velocities, or a high walk rate, or a low K rate I'd be more skeptical of the swing. But if he's doing all of them at once? I couldn't be more excited to see where he goes as a prospect. (Please please have it be in Boston! )
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2024 16:22:44 GMT -5
Searched the deep web to find a video showing some aggressive swings from him - www.instagram.com/soxprospects/reel/C-ZDCJVunkX/He loads up on every pitch and that 3rd pitch swing looks really really ugly, but you know else swings out of his shoes and looks really really ugly when he is occasionally fooled? Rafael Devers. It's certainly unorthodox (I think someone here said it's not the most violent swing they've ever seen, but he has the most violent takes, almost like it's a last second check swing every time), and it takes an athlete with elite balance, pitch recognition, and hand eye coordination to pull it off without striking out or making weak contact a lot... but we've seen guys do that in MLB history. Hunter Pence had one of the most unique but also ugliest swings ever, Vlad Guerrero was the best bad ball hitter I've ever seen, even someone like Cedanne Rafaela who genuinely has a pretty bad approach but makes up for it enough with elite hand eye coordination (and elite skills elsewhere) was being thrown under the bus here by some when his BABIP sucked and he was adjusting to MLB pitching, but his minor league stats held true. If Campbell was showing elite stats, or exit velocities, or a high walk rate, or a low K rate I'd be more skeptical of the swing. But if he's doing all of them at once? I couldn't be more excited to see where he goes as a prospect. (Please please have it be in Boston! ) I remember Todd Benzinger having a pretty textbook swing (I think Ted Williams liked it). Of course most people under the age of 50 have no idea who he was, but that's kind of the point. Pretty swing. Meh results. But he'll always have that game winning HR during the Morgan Magic streak in 1988, and he did catch the last out of the 1990 World Series as a Reds 1b (hit by former Red Sox 3b Carney Lansford). I get the swing concerns, but it's what you do with the swing rather than how it looks that really matters.
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Post by bishop on Aug 18, 2024 16:47:51 GMT -5
Btw the 4th pitch/2nd swing there where he gets the hit also shows part of why I'm not worried any more than a more conventional hitting prospect. Despite all the loading he does going towards the pitcher to generate extra power that pitch is down and in and his bat is darn near vertically pointed at the ground when he barrels it back up the middle. If he can get to that pitch he's covering the whole plate, there's no clear hole to exploit AA guys might just not be good enough to do.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 18, 2024 16:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 18, 2024 17:01:51 GMT -5
Don't shoot me for this but Campbell's rise kind of has some mookie in it. Just rakes all the way up. It's really impressive what he's been doing and he's not done yet.
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Post by LoneStarSox on Aug 18, 2024 17:12:59 GMT -5
very curious. Could this portend a cup o coffee for the stretch run?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 18, 2024 17:15:22 GMT -5
Don't shoot me for this but Campbell's rise kind of has some mookie in it. Just rakes all the way up. It's really impressive what he's been doing and he's not done yet. The responsible thing to do would be to tamp down the Mookie comparisons.
What I'm going to do instead is say that he really has been awfully reminiscent of Mookie ever since he cut down his K rate. In his last 100 PAs in Portand:
14% BB rate, 10% K rate, .316/.419/.541 and 170 wRC+ on a .325 BABIP
Compare to Mookie in AA:
14% BB rate, 8% K rate, .355/.443/.551 and 177 wRC+ on a .366 BABIP
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Post by mobaz on Aug 18, 2024 17:51:23 GMT -5
Don't shoot me for this but Campbell's rise kind of has some mookie in it. Just rakes all the way up. It's really impressive what he's been doing and he's not done yet. The responsible thing to do would be to tamp down the Mookie comparisons.
What I'm going to do instead is say that he really has been awfully reminiscent of Mookie ever since he cut down his K rate. In his last 100 PAs in Portand:
14% BB rate, 10% K rate, .316/.419/.541 and 170 wRC+ on a .325 BABIP
Compare to Mookie in AA:
14% BB rate, 8% K rate, .355/.443/.551 and 177 wRC+ on a .366 BABIP
How's his Right Field?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2024 18:01:36 GMT -5
Don't shoot me for this but Campbell's rise kind of has some mookie in it. Just rakes all the way up. It's really impressive what he's been doing and he's not done yet. Better make him an offer of better than 300 million over 10 years, then, lol. I can see a bit of the parallel, but Mookie was great at everything, a gold glover no matter where he goes and an excellent baserunner with speed as well. I don't know if Campbell has that or if he's capable of batting .346 in the majors, so I would hold off on the Mookie comparisons because Mookie was such a once in a lifetime type player. But I'm happy Campbell has been promoted and hope the Sox hang on to him (along with the big 3). While not expecting Mookie, I'm hoping for a guy who can hit .280 plus with at least 15 - 20 HR power who can play multiple positions. I think he can might be better than that, but even if he isn't, he looks like a good player. I wonder if he can be truly great? Put it like this - I won't bet against it. I'm really excited to see what he can do. The Sox need a really good RH bat among all the lefties they have. I like to think at some point he can replace O'Neill as the main RH bat, but I wouldn't mind O'Neill coming back for one more season but even with a QO, I don't think that will happen. He might be a main RH bat candidate by 2026 or even mid 2025 but they'll need that bat until he's ready. I'm guessing we'll see Campbell by July 1 next year if not sooner. Worcester is a great place to hit, so I don't foresee his numbers taking too big a dip over the rest of this year/next season. It's just how long will it take him to acclimate to the majors?
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Post by bishop on Aug 18, 2024 18:02:14 GMT -5
very curious. Could this portend a cup o coffee for the stretch run? Nah, even I won't get my hopes THAT high, if he was on that radar there's even less reason Mayer would have been promoted ahead of him. And I assume a promotion to Boston for someone else is coming otherwise that MI logjam in Pawtucket is too much. Will be interesting to see where he plays, was splitting every other game between SS and DH up in Portland the last week without Marcelo.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2024 18:03:37 GMT -5
very curious. Could this portend a cup o coffee for the stretch run? Too soon.
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Post by ephus on Aug 18, 2024 18:08:39 GMT -5
Hmmm. Is Grissom getting recalled? Is Marcelo more injured than we know? Very happy for Mr. Helium but this one is curious.
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Post by pd on Aug 18, 2024 19:08:06 GMT -5
Don't shoot me for this but Campbell's rise kind of has some mookie in it. Just rakes all the way up. It's really impressive what he's been doing and he's not done yet. The responsible thing to do would be to tamp down the Mookie comparisons.
What I'm going to do instead is say that he really has been awfully reminiscent of Mookie ever since he cut down his K rate. In his last 100 PAs in Portand:
14% BB rate, 10% K rate, .316/.419/.541 and 170 wRC+ on a .325 BABIP
Compare to Mookie in AA:
14% BB rate, 8% K rate, .355/.443/.551 and 177 wRC+ on a .366 BABIP
I fully endorse your irresponsibility.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 18, 2024 19:29:30 GMT -5
Four of the big five now knocking on the big league door. The roster decisions in spring training will be very interesting. I would imagine they all start in AAA but who gets the first call up? Wild guess is Story either gets injured or doesn't hit and Mayer is up by the beginning of summer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2024 19:31:26 GMT -5
Hmmm. Is Grissom getting recalled? Is Marcelo more injured than we know? Very happy for Mr. Helium but this one is curious. On one hand, you could be right - I hope not - I hope Marcelo is alright. I don't think they want to recall Grissom to be the short half of a platoon. I'm not sure they're ready to bench Hamilton against righties, unless the plan is to play him at SS with Rafaela in CF and O'Neill sitting against righties - I don't think they go that route? It's possible it could be that he's hitting .362 with pop and there's not much left there to challenge him. As an aside, I came across an old baseball card of LaVel Freeman. I mention him because I have to laugh at how things can change. Can you imagine a player in today's game, defensively challenged or otherwise, hitting .322 with an .877 OPS in AA at age 23 over a full season and then having to repeat the level and staying there all year two collect 208 hits in 626 ABs for a batting average of .395 and an OPS of 1.094 with 26 HRs and 70 BB - without getting promoted?! Granted, he was a DH with limited power playing in a hitter's league in a hitter's ballpark (El Paso in the Texas League in a hitters' year in 1987). And when he was promoted the following year he fell off to .318 with 5 HRs and a mid .800 OPS. I think he must have gotten injured after that - he got 3 hitless ABs in the majors with Milwaukee, was traded to Detroit and played in AAA Toledo, hit .214 there in AAA and was done at age 27. I assume he was injured and he never really recovered. But I bring him up because can you imagine following a guy in today's age having the season he had at age 24, flirting with .400 for the full season displaying power and walks, and not even getting a call up to AAA?
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Post by mobaz on Aug 18, 2024 19:32:11 GMT -5
The responsible thing to do would be to tamp down the Mookie comparisons.
What I'm going to do instead is say that he really has been awfully reminiscent of Mookie ever since he cut down his K rate. In his last 100 PAs in Portand:
14% BB rate, 10% K rate, .316/.419/.541 and 170 wRC+ on a .325 BABIP
Compare to Mookie in AA:
14% BB rate, 8% K rate, .355/.443/.551 and 177 wRC+ on a .366 BABIP
How's his Right Field? How's his bowling scores?
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Post by nonothing on Aug 18, 2024 22:16:07 GMT -5
I saw a clip of his HR maybe yesterday or day before and noticed the swing looked more smooth and baseball typical. I imagine they had asked him to work on some things, and he became more contact oriented in this process, and then they went back toward unleashing his power with his improved swing.
I am very excited for this kid and his work ethic and humility to go far.
I think Jhosty will start to make for Big 6 talk soon enough. Legit RH-power coming to Fenway from Campbell and Garcia by end 2025/2026.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 19, 2024 2:25:42 GMT -5
When Sogard was sent down, Cora intimated that he would be a September callup. It would be unusual for both callups to be position players.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2024 11:25:25 GMT -5
When Sogard was sent down, Cora intimated that he would be a September callup. It would be unusual for both callups to be position players. Yeah that's not happening.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 19, 2024 12:25:58 GMT -5
A few observations and questions on Campbell:
1: that is a premier looking athlete, and looks like there is still some filling out to do. 2: the swing isn't pretty as a lot of people reported, but I think it works because even though he starts with a closed stance he opens up on his stride and it allows him to get his hands through, it isn't the way I'd teach a little kid to swing, but I believe it can work (in MLB). He has toned down the amount that he is up on his frontside, and I think if he continues that eventually his swing will be quite similar to most big leaguers. 3: if he is part of a big 4 or 5 (Montgomery), I'd say he is possibly the most important since he is the only RH hitter (since Montgomery is better LH) and this team will need at least 1 really good RHH to balance out the top half of the lineup. 4: for those who have had eyes on him, how has his work in the OF come along? Does he profile as above average or plus defensively at any position at this point in his development? 5: while I know it is extremely unlikely, if he doesn't miss a beat moving up to AAA, just continues to rake like he has all year long, it would have to be tempting to see if he could do it in Boston for a playoff push. Probably not going to happen even if he rakes, but would be cool if it did (in my best Matthew McConaughey).
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 19, 2024 12:38:28 GMT -5
I think he’s going to play 2n for us. If, we don’t trade him. I think Story moves to 2n once Marcelo is ready. Hopefully, Trev has a good year in 25. So, we can trade him.
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Post by soxinsf on Aug 20, 2024 1:33:55 GMT -5
So now we have a real big four. Time will see their potential career trajectories in clearer light. Love to have all four succeed, and, given my druthers, the next year sees the Sox sort out their MIF with two reliable, consistent choices for the long/term. Hope its Mayer and Campbell.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 20, 2024 6:55:59 GMT -5
So now we have a real big four. Time will see their potential career trajectories in clearer light. Love to have all four succeed, and, given my druthers, the next year sees the Sox sort out their MIF with two reliable, consistent choices for the long/term. Hope its Mayer and Campbell. You can hope all you want, but Mayer's injury issues are really starting to become an issue. Shortstops with back problems is sort of an oxymoron, and the latest "day to day" situation has gone on for 3 weeks now. I very much doubt that Story is going to play SS next season. He's getting to an age where that isn't going to be more than an occasional option. If anything, he holds down 2B and the Sox have to sort out SS in the short term while they figure out exactly what they have or don't have in Mayer. It doesn't look as though Mayer is going to get any significant PT in Worcester this season, so he may need most of next year to show himself to be ready for the Show, IF the injury bug doesn't bite him again.
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