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6/4-6/5 Red Sox vs. Braves Series Thread
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 5, 2024 15:53:40 GMT -5
This will be something I am interested to see, I'm not sure what type of contract he might get if he has the QO attached to him which he almost certainly will unless he is dealt. It doesn't seem to me that guys like him have been doing all that well in FA recently. Feels like he should be signable for something reasonable. The thing about signing Pivetta is, who do you send to the bullpen once they sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? They've already got Houck, Bello, Crawford, and Giolito locked into the rotation.
(Personally I'd be happy with a 6-man rotation, which becomes a 5-man rotation whenever someone's hurt - which would be much of or all the time - but I'm not expecting that approach from Breslow.)
On what basis do you think the Red Sox could sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? I see nothing in the recent past to indicate the Red Sox are going to sign any top end free agents. - especially ones from other teams. Also, how are you sure Giolito will be ask good next year s Pivetta? I doubt he will be.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 5, 2024 15:53:42 GMT -5
Well and heck, I forgot about Whitlock. I realize he's no guarantee to last in the rotation but Pivetta (on top of Burnes/Fried/Sasaki) would give them 7 starters. Not to mention 3.9 ERA 3.6 FIP Cooper Criswell
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 5, 2024 15:54:26 GMT -5
The thing about signing Pivetta is, who do you send to the bullpen once they sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? They've already got Houck, Bello, Crawford, and Giolito locked into the rotation.
(Personally I'd be happy with a 6-man rotation, which becomes a 5-man rotation whenever someone's hurt - which would be much of or all the time - but I'm not expecting that approach from Breslow.)
On what basis do you think the Red Sox could sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? I see nothing in the recent past to indicate the Red Sox are going to sign any top end free agents. - especially ones from other teams. Also, how are you sure Giolito will be ask good next year s Pivetta? I doubt he will be. yeah it’s not like in the recent past the Red Sox have given out a $300 million dollar contract to a guy who hit two home runs today or anything
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 5, 2024 15:57:05 GMT -5
Jordan Montgomery (6.41 ERA) and Snell (12 ERA) doing yeoman work to reign in the FA pitching market for next year. Cooper Criswell gonna finish the season with more WAR than Snell and Montgomery combined lmao
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Post by incandenza on Jun 5, 2024 16:03:00 GMT -5
The thing about signing Pivetta is, who do you send to the bullpen once they sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? They've already got Houck, Bello, Crawford, and Giolito locked into the rotation.
(Personally I'd be happy with a 6-man rotation, which becomes a 5-man rotation whenever someone's hurt - which would be much of or all the time - but I'm not expecting that approach from Breslow.)
On what basis do you think the Red Sox could sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? I see nothing in the recent past to indicate the Red Sox are going to sign any top end free agents. - especially ones from other teams. Also, how are you sure Giolito will be ask good next year s Pivetta? I doubt he will be. People keep saying they want to extend Pivetta. I'm pointing out that it's tough to sign up for Pivetta unless you also want to give up hopes of signing a pitcher better than Pivetta. If you want to be sad about how the Red Sox (who clearly wanted to sign Yamamoto) would never sign a top-tier pitcher and you won't allow your hopes to get any higher than Pivetta, then by all means go ahead and do that.
As for Giolito, they committed $20 million/year to him so I'm pretty sure he's going to get one of the starting slots. Whether Pivetta is better or worse than him doesn't really matter for this discussion; the question is whether Pivetta is the best addition they can make for next year's roster.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 5, 2024 16:09:03 GMT -5
LOLOL
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Post by asm18 on Jun 5, 2024 16:23:23 GMT -5
Rob Refsnyder is hitting .337/.409/.510 in 111 plate appearances, good for a 158 wRC+. He’s currently hitting both righties and lefties well. His batted ball data has been great during this stretch. He’s playing basically every day now with all the injuries - so it’ll be interesting to see to what extent this can keep up
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Post by cdj on Jun 5, 2024 16:28:12 GMT -5
Rob Refsnyder is hitting .337/.409/.510 in 111 plate appearances, good for a 158 wRC+. He’s currently hitting both righties and lefties well. His batted ball data has been great during this stretch. He’s playing basically every day now with all the injuries - so it’ll be interesting to see to what extent this can keep up .286/.380/.417 since joining the org Professional hitter
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 5, 2024 16:58:04 GMT -5
Jordan Montgomery (6.41 ERA) and Snell (12 ERA) doing yeoman work to reign in the FA pitching market for next year. Cooper Criswell gonna finish the season with more WAR than Snell and Montgomery combined lmao Breslin, Bailey and company have been awesome with pitching staff. I want to give them as much young talent as possible. May not have to spend big bucks and trade elite prospects for established pitchers. Not talking just now. Thinking 3-4 years ahead
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 5, 2024 17:00:20 GMT -5
Pleasant surprise. I will gladly take it.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 5, 2024 17:01:14 GMT -5
Bernandino truly has become a native New Englander in less than a year — love it.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 5, 2024 17:02:10 GMT -5
Pivetta only at 80 pitches - with a 6-0 lead do you pull him early? 6 innings, 1 hit, 2 BB, 8 k’s. He now has a 3.48 ERA I would quietly gage the trade market for him. I feel like they would be selling high on him.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 5, 2024 17:09:40 GMT -5
Pivetta only at 80 pitches - with a 6-0 lead do you pull him early? 6 innings, 1 hit, 2 BB, 8 k’s. He now has a 3.48 ERA I would quietly gage the trade market for him. I feel like they would be selling high on him. If the team is at or under .500 by late next month and Penrod shoves his next 5+ starts, I wouldn’t hate a Pivetta trade.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 5, 2024 19:26:40 GMT -5
Maybe instead of fatalistically waiting to trade everyone we can go win some games - 2.5 back tonight of the Twins after the Yankees beat them
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Post by ephus on Jun 5, 2024 20:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by cheers on Jun 5, 2024 20:22:55 GMT -5
Watching the replay, and the Casas interview. For his age, he's very poised. I'd like to see him around here for a long time. We haven't had a better interview since Mikey Lowell was around.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 5, 2024 22:02:20 GMT -5
The thing about signing Pivetta is, who do you send to the bullpen once they sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? They've already got Houck, Bello, Crawford, and Giolito locked into the rotation.
(Personally I'd be happy with a 6-man rotation, which becomes a 5-man rotation whenever someone's hurt - which would be much of or all the time - but I'm not expecting that approach from Breslow.)
On what basis do you think the Red Sox could sign Burnes, Fried, or Sasaki? I see nothing in the recent past to indicate the Red Sox are going to sign any top end free agents. - especially ones from other teams. Also, how are you sure Giolito will be ask good next year s Pivetta? I doubt he will be. I highly dout the sox sign any outside FAs of note. That said id say we can expect a starter and A RH OF through trade. Aroizarena, Robert come to mind. And maybe a LH starter , crochett or Garrett??
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Post by pd on Jun 5, 2024 22:22:10 GMT -5
Well and heck, I forgot about Whitlock. I realize he's no guarantee to last in the rotation but Pivetta (on top of Burnes/Fried/Sasaki) would give them 7 starters. Not to mention 3.9 ERA 3.6 FIP Cooper Criswell And Perales. And Penrod. I'm not sure they really need a top of the rotation FA starter.
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Post by gerry on Jun 6, 2024 3:07:47 GMT -5
We don’t know yet how well Perales, Penrod, Fitts, others might succeed in the Show. Possibly better even than we expect, a Deja vu of 2o24 breakouts n this new pitching system?
Can we even hope for continuing development in 2025 from the existing seven surprising starters (lol, that came out like a Red Sox Christmas carol.)
This past mid season and off-season I prayed for established SP stars and was frustrated both times. This year outside additions are just not in my prayers, though I wouldn’t complain.
We won’t know what is needed for 1.5 and 4 months respectively but 10 talented, well coached SP from Fitts to Houck is probably enough to be a serious contender.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 6, 2024 7:44:52 GMT -5
Rob Refsnyder is hitting .337/.409/.510 in 111 plate appearances, good for a 158 wRC+. He’s currently hitting both righties and lefties well. His batted ball data has been great during this stretch. He’s playing basically every day now with all the injuries - so it’ll be interesting to see to what extent this can keep up In his time with the Red Sox he's 11th in the majors in OBP, min. 500 PAs. The guys above him: Judge, Soto, Freeman, Alvarez, Yandy Diaz, Ohtani, Harper, Acuna, Arraez, Betts. Basically a bunch of MVPs and then Rob.
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Post by carl4sox on Jun 6, 2024 9:34:58 GMT -5
I know the name of this site is Sox Prospects. We all love prospects.
But, please -- they need to extend Nick Pivetta. He's been the leader of this pitching staff, and is one of only a few proven veterans on this pitching staff.
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Post by wvusox on Jun 6, 2024 10:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2024 11:23:12 GMT -5
Maybe instead of fatalistically waiting to trade everyone we can go win some games - 2.5 back tonight of the Twins after the Yankees beat them Also, I think he's top 10 this year in the Stuff+ rankings, FWIW.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 6, 2024 11:34:27 GMT -5
Could the sox aim higher and go after burnes instead of signing Pivetta? Yea they could but on the flipside they could do a hell of a lot worse than Pivetta. I'd gladly take pivetta back next year.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jun 6, 2024 12:02:46 GMT -5
Agreed! I think some are undervaluing Nick because he was frustratingly mediocre in 21 and 22. But for the past year, with the much-discussed changes to his arsenal, he's been getting way more whiffs and chases. He's a different pitcher than he was two years ago and is now a bona fide #2. I'd be happy to have him back.
What do you all think a low-ball but not insulting initial offer looks like? 3/$50M?
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