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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2024 21:50:51 GMT -5
Nick Ramirez on waivers if they want a lefty that can get lefties. He is a true LOOGY
Edit: although last year with the Yanks he had reverse splits. Interesting. LHH 1-14 off him this year
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 30, 2024 22:54:51 GMT -5
Nick Ramirez on waivers if they want a lefty that can get lefties. He is a true LOOGY Edit: although last year with the Yanks he had reverse splits. Interesting. LHH 1-14 off him this year I was looking at the O’s DFAing Cole Irvin tonight and wondering if he’s worth a shot as a LOOGY (three batter minimum… LTOGY?) Primarily a starter throughout his career but also got time in the pen in each of his two years in Baltimore.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 30, 2024 23:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 30, 2024 23:10:58 GMT -5
We traded a lot of prospect volume for slight upgrades and the only guy we control beyond this year is Priester. I'd have been more satisfied if some of these arms were under control at least another year. Mark Leiter Jr is having a much better season than anyone that we acquired for the bullpen and the Yankees gave up less and control him until 2027. We likely would have lost more than 1 of the gents we traded to the Rule5 draft anyways. There was no way to protect them all might as well clear them out while they still have value. Despite being lower ranked than Lugo / Paulino I think Portes was probably the biggest loss (Yorke more valuable but we got an equivalent pitcher in return) but I’ll take the dependable RP over the lottery ticket DSL arm
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 30, 2024 23:26:14 GMT -5
We traded a lot of prospect volume for slight upgrades and the only guy we control beyond this year is Priester. I'd have been more satisfied if some of these arms were under control at least another year. Mark Leiter Jr is having a much better season than anyone that we acquired for the bullpen and the Yankees gave up less and control him until 2027. We likely would have lost more than 1 of the gents we traded to the Rule5 draft anyways. There was no way to protect them all might as well clear them out while they still have value. Despite being lower ranked than Lugo / Paulino I think Portes was probably the biggest loss (Yorke more valuable but we got an equivalent pitcher in return) but I’ll take the dependable RP over the lottery ticket DSL arm To piggyback on rule 5 considerations - it’s not just about whether we would/should have protected e.g. Lugo or Zeferjahn. Using the 40-man spot is an opportunity cost. “Would I rather protect Justin Slaten or Matthew Lugo?” That hypothetical offers the benefit of hindsight, but maybe this group feels pretty good about its ability to hit on a mid lev/setup type more years than it doesn’t. If that’s the case, it would be less inclined to protect as many borderline guys as it could plausibly make room for. There was lots of consternation over the decision to not protect Drohan, and before him, Thad Ward, and the reasonable point usually being made was, like, those prospects could have been moved for something before you got to this decision point. That’s valid, but then it’s also a problem when the org turns its rule 5 eligibles into something? Can’t have it both ways at once
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2024 1:42:13 GMT -5
For me, the Sandlin trade gives me the most faith in Breslow's judgement.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 31, 2024 2:04:06 GMT -5
My biggest issue isnt the players we lost it's that we filled a few holes, maybe that helps us stop hemorrhaging runs/wins a bit, but it seems like all the teams surrounding us in the standings really added and got a lot better.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 31, 2024 4:39:35 GMT -5
Very classy of the Yankees to leak this a few hours later: CYA Cashman IMO lesser pitchers went for more. Yankees probably saw this and got pissed. It’s amazing to me how Friedman can acquire anyone he wants and give up minimal. He never gives a lot and his trades work out. Yankees just being petty here.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2024 4:46:52 GMT -5
My biggest issue isnt the players we lost it's that we filled a few holes, maybe that helps us stop hemorrhaging runs/wins a bit, but it seems like all the teams surrounding us in the standings really added and got a lot better. How many of those teams have the volume of players coming off the IL that we do ? Casas is a major upgrade to Dom Smith. Grissom (a right handed bat) should balance the batting order and can't be as bad defensively as what we've had. Slaton, Martin, Hendricks
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2024 4:52:53 GMT -5
Very classy of the Yankees to leak this a few hours later: CYA Cashman IMO lesser pitchers went for more. Yankees probably saw this and got pissed. It’s amazing to me how Friedman can acquire anyone he wants and give up minimal. He never gives a lot and his trades work out. Yankees just being petty here. I doubt it. A tweet I saw said the Yankees and Dodgers both saw the medicals. The difference here is that if something goes wrong, the Dodgers are in a better position to absorb it. I found it interesting the the Yankees didn't get starting pitching and instead elected to invest in Chissom (SP). That's strange to me because Dominquez has been hitting well after TJ. I'm wondering now if the arm recovery isn't going well. It's been several years that his arm strength has been declining. This wasn't an all of a sudden thing.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 31, 2024 6:12:19 GMT -5
IMO lesser pitchers went for more. Yankees probably saw this and got pissed. It’s amazing to me how Friedman can acquire anyone he wants and give up minimal. He never gives a lot and his trades work out. Yankees just being petty here. I doubt it. A tweet I saw said the Yankees and Dodgers both saw the medicals. The difference here is that if something goes wrong, the Dodgers are in a better position to absorb it. I found it interesting the the Yankees didn't get starting pitching and instead elected to invest in Chissom (SP). That's strange to me because Dominquez has been hitting well after TJ. I'm wondering now if the arm recovery isn't going well. It's been several years that his arm strength has been declining. This wasn't an all of a sudden thing. Well yes it feels like the Dodgers have a 60 man roster. I think they are looking to keep him coming along at a slow pace and he should be good to go next year. Teams did ask about the Martian. Yankees really like him.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 31, 2024 6:23:34 GMT -5
For me, the Sandlin trade gives me the most faith in Breslow's judgement. Im not doubting Priester yet or anything but if the Sandlin trade gives you faith shouldn’t the Fitts trade give you pause? I mean so far he’s acquired two prospect pitchers, one has trended up the other down. I don’t think we can make anything either way on his particular eye for talent yet.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2024 6:27:19 GMT -5
For me, the Sandlin trade gives me the most faith in Breslow's judgement. Im not doubting Priester yet or anything but if the Sandlin trade gives you faith shouldn’t the Fitts trade give you pause? I mean so far he’s acquired two prospect pitchers, one has trended up the other down. I don’t think we can make anything either way on his particular eye for talent yet. Verdugo is a Yankee. Case closed.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2024 6:30:52 GMT -5
I doubt it. A tweet I saw said the Yankees and Dodgers both saw the medicals. The difference here is that if something goes wrong, the Dodgers are in a better position to absorb it. I found it interesting the the Yankees didn't get starting pitching and instead elected to invest in Chissom (SP). That's strange to me because Dominquez has been hitting well after TJ. I'm wondering now if the arm recovery isn't going well. It's been several years that his arm strength has been declining. This wasn't an all of a sudden thing. Well yes it feels like the Dodgers have a 60 man roster. I think they are looking to keep him coming along at a slow pace and he should be good to go next year. Teams did ask about the Martian. Yankees really like him. Then why spend assets on Chisholm instead of just calling him up ?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 31, 2024 7:12:39 GMT -5
Looking over the deadline deals the one I’m most salty about not doing is the Eflin trade. Signed through next year and he didn’t go for all that much.
A rough Red Sox equivalent looks maybe like Castro, Monegro, and some back end top 60 guy. Maybe sub Romero for Castro if the Rule 5 thing is a big problem.
Though I do get being scared to send prospects to the Rays.
The Fedde return seems similarly light but I don’t know what the Tommy Edman equivalent would’ve been for us, and Fedde has less of a track record.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 31, 2024 7:19:34 GMT -5
For me, the Sandlin trade gives me the most faith in Breslow's judgement. Im not doubting Priester yet or anything but if the Sandlin trade gives you faith shouldn’t the Fitts trade give you pause? I mean so far he’s acquired two prospect pitchers, one has trended up the other down. I don’t think we can make anything either way on his particular eye for talent yet. No one is a genius when it comes to picking the right pitching prospect. Nobody thought Pivetta was the prize when we traded for him and another guy. The goal is to have enough promising prospects that some of them turn out to be good. A 50% success rate is pretty good.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 31, 2024 7:29:35 GMT -5
Im not doubting Priester yet or anything but if the Sandlin trade gives you faith shouldn’t the Fitts trade give you pause? I mean so far he’s acquired two prospect pitchers, one has trended up the other down. I don’t think we can make anything either way on his particular eye for talent yet. No one is a genius when it comes to picking the right pitching prospect. Nobody thought Pivetta was the prize when we traded for him and another guy. The goal is to have enough promising prospects that some of them turn out to be good. A 50% success rate is pretty good. I mean I pretty much agree with this I was pushing back on a poster saying we should trust that Breslow has some special eye for pitching prospects because Sandlin is doing well so far.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 31, 2024 7:39:15 GMT -5
Maybe this has been discussed but does anyone else find it weird that the deadline is July 30th and not the last day of the month, July 31st?
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Post by cdj on Jul 31, 2024 8:28:59 GMT -5
Im not doubting Priester yet or anything but if the Sandlin trade gives you faith shouldn’t the Fitts trade give you pause? I mean so far he’s acquired two prospect pitchers, one has trended up the other down. I don’t think we can make anything either way on his particular eye for talent yet. No one is a genius when it comes to picking the right pitching prospect. Nobody thought Pivetta was the prize when we traded for him and another guy. The goal is to have enough promising prospects that some of them turn out to be good. A 50% success rate is pretty good. And even then Fitts hasn’t been *that* bad, it’ll just be about him holding velo. He’s playing in Polar Park after all. Sometimes his arm is having a good day and he is in the mid 90s and he does well, sometimes he’s more low 90s and gets smacked around. IIRC I think they’ve publicly identified velo as the key for him. I bet he’d be a solid reliever worst case scenario
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Post by patford on Jul 31, 2024 8:36:48 GMT -5
Not pleased about trading Portes and Vargas but other than that I'm relieved. Not that I know anything about Portes and Vargas other than they are young and intriguing.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 31, 2024 8:38:22 GMT -5
Well yes it feels like the Dodgers have a 60 man roster. I think they are looking to keep him coming along at a slow pace and he should be good to go next year. Teams did ask about the Martian. Yankees really like him. Then why spend assets on Chisholm instead of just calling him up ? They’re going to play Chisholm it 3b I believe. He played there last night.
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Post by nomar on Jul 31, 2024 8:55:48 GMT -5
Looking over the deadline deals the one I’m most salty about not doing is the Eflin trade. Signed through next year and he didn’t go for all that much. A rough Red Sox equivalent looks maybe like Castro, Monegro, and some back end top 60 guy. Maybe sub Romero for Castro if the Rule 5 thing is a big problem. Though I do get being scared to send prospects to the Rays. The Fedde return seems similarly light but I don’t know what the Tommy Edman equivalent would’ve been for us, and Fedde has less of a track record. I’m sure this will look stupid in a few years, but I’ll say it anyway. The Rays did not get good returns this deadline. Rarely do I not see their vision, but that Eflin trade stunk and I didn’t love the Paredes trade either.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 31, 2024 9:07:43 GMT -5
The list of nutty deals:
Padres acquire LHP Tanner Scott and RHP Bryan Hoeing from Marlins for LHP Robby Snelling, RHP Adam Mazur, INF Graham Pauley and INF Jay Beshears
Braves acquire OF Jorge Soler and RHP Luke Jackson from Giants for LHP Tyler Matzek and INF Sabin Ceballos (No way I want to be on the hook for Soler's coming age 33-34 seasons)
Astros acquire LHP Yusei Kikuchi from Blue Jays for 3 prospects
Phillies acquire RHP Carlos Estévez from Angels for LHP Samuel Aldegheri and RHP George Klassen
Everything else ended up being pretty reasonable I think
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 31, 2024 10:02:40 GMT -5
My biggest issue isnt the players we lost it's that we filled a few holes, maybe that helps us stop hemorrhaging runs/wins a bit, but it seems like all the teams surrounding us in the standings really added and got a lot better. How many of those teams have the volume of players coming off the IL that we do ? Casas is a major upgrade to Dom Smith. Grissom (a right handed bat) should balance the batting order and can't be as bad defensively as what we've had. Slaton, Martin, Hendricks Dom Smith since May 31: .271/.362/.481 (132 wRC+) in 152 PA Dom Smith since Jun 29: .292/.354/.556 (147 wRC+) in 79 PA
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Post by 0ap0 on Jul 31, 2024 10:05:53 GMT -5
You're saying that Dom Smith is a major upgrade to Dom Smith?
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