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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 31, 2024 10:07:35 GMT -5
My biggest issue isnt the players we lost it's that we filled a few holes, maybe that helps us stop hemorrhaging runs/wins a bit, but it seems like all the teams surrounding us in the standings really added and got a lot better. How many of those teams have the volume of players coming off the IL that we do ? Casas is a major upgrade to Dom Smith. Grissom (a right handed bat) should balance the batting order and can't be as bad defensively as what we've had.
Slaton, Martin, Hendricks Eh, balancing the batting order is one thing but Hamilton is probably a significantly better defender at 2B than Grissom is. He should be better than Valdez was at least though.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 31, 2024 10:11:39 GMT -5
What do you give the Sox as a post trade deadline grade?
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Post by vaulter on Jul 31, 2024 10:23:03 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but not one player on BA's top 100 prospects was traded this deadline
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Post by ephus on Jul 31, 2024 10:24:19 GMT -5
What do you give the Sox as a post trade deadline grade? Solid B. Did not make a blockbuster that cost a top-10 prospect, added rotation depth, bullpen help. Added a very intriguing cost-controlled pitcher to the system.It should not be understated that that they also cleared up a lot of Rule 5 questions and opportunities to continue system advancement for their top prospects. Oh, and they signed all of their draft picks. Had a plan, executed. I'm not mad.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2024 10:37:55 GMT -5
For me, the Sandlin trade gives me the most faith in Breslow's judgement. Im not doubting Priester yet or anything but if the Sandlin trade gives you faith shouldn’t the Fitts trade give you pause? I mean so far he’s acquired two prospect pitchers, one has trended up the other down. I don’t think we can make anything either way on his particular eye for talent yet. I guess if you were against the trade at the time, fine, but I saw it as getting three pitching prospects for one year of a guy who was redundant and not helping the team off the field. I was glad that it opened playing time for Abreu, Duran, and Rafaela (none of whom were considered locks as starting-caliber OFs by many on this board at the time). Fitts appeared to be the most promising of the three prospects coming back but that trade was not about going out and getting Fitts in the way that the Sandlin trade was about getting him.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 31, 2024 10:46:09 GMT -5
You're saying that Dom Smith is a major upgrade to Dom Smith? I’m saying I’d be really happy with either of those lines from Casas after a long layoff and short rehab. I think it’s unlikely that 2024 Casas is going to have a better month than Smith just did. And I’m also suggesting that we have moved past the point of it being all but certain that Smith is getting cut once Casas is back. I think I’d rather just carry 2 of the Hamilton/Romy/Grissom group and have this bat available on the bench.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 31, 2024 10:53:14 GMT -5
Im not doubting Priester yet or anything but if the Sandlin trade gives you faith shouldn’t the Fitts trade give you pause? I mean so far he’s acquired two prospect pitchers, one has trended up the other down. I don’t think we can make anything either way on his particular eye for talent yet. I guess if you were against the trade at the time, fine, but I saw it as getting three pitching prospects for one year of a guy who was redundant and not helping the team off the field. I was glad that it opened playing time for Abreu, Duran, and Rafaela (none of whom were considered locks as starting-caliber OFs by many on this board at the time). Fitts appeared to be the most promising of the three prospects coming back but that trade was not about going out and getting Fitts in the way that the Sandlin trade was about getting him. I'm not trashing the trade at all. It was fine and is fine. I agree with the mindset that you acquire guys with potential and some of them will work out and some of them won't, and that's okay (and to be fair, it is still too early to say Fitts won't). My point is very simply that it is too early to know if Breslow is an excellent evaluator of other teams' talent (or the Red Sox own prospects, for that matter).
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Post by nonothing on Jul 31, 2024 11:21:09 GMT -5
I guess if you were against the trade at the time, fine, but I saw it as getting three pitching prospects for one year of a guy who was redundant and not helping the team off the field. I was glad that it opened playing time for Abreu, Duran, and Rafaela (none of whom were considered locks as starting-caliber OFs by many on this board at the time). Fitts appeared to be the most promising of the three prospects coming back but that trade was not about going out and getting Fitts in the way that the Sandlin trade was about getting him. I'm not trashing the trade at all. It was fine and is fine. I agree with the mindset that you acquire guys with potential and some of them will work out and some of them won't, and that's okay (and to be fair, it is still too early to say Fitts won't). My point is very simply that it is too early to know if Breslow is an excellent evaluator of other teams' talent (or the Red Sox own prospects, for that matter). Breslow turned a good (not great) middle reliever, a disgruntled duplication OF with only one yr of remaining control and a potentially solid (but not likely all star) 2B with limited defensive versatility who was unlikely to beat out our other 2B candidates for an MLB job and not a great fit as a utility player: Schreiber Verdugo Yorke and turn them into 5 pitchers: Preister Sandlin Fitts Judice Weissert One guy has already been a serviceable MLB RP for half a yr. The other 4 are potential SPs, though perhaps better RPs in MLB. The starters are all 6'3" or taller and have frames Breslow thinks are likely to hold up starting, with the potential for higher velo stuff as RP. I don't know how these shake out, but I am not sure anyone will be gnashing their teeth over the loss of a yr of Verdugo or the loss of the yrs of Schreiber. Might we miss Nick Yorke? Maybe, but not if Campbell or Grissom pan out. They have to make judgments, and the system needed pitchers with some promise. They added pitchers with promise. I don't get any complaining about these deals. Maybe they don't work out, but they absolutely make sense. If any of them gives us a few years of SP in majors, that would be great. If Fitts, Weissert and Judice combine for 3 yrs total of serviceable bullpen years, that's even ok. If Preister or Sandlin become even a #5 SP or end up as high leverage RPs, we would be ok. These were good deals.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 31, 2024 12:00:06 GMT -5
What do you give the Sox as a post trade deadline grade? C. Meh.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 31, 2024 12:22:19 GMT -5
Maybe this has been discussed but does anyone else find it weird that the deadline is July 30th and not the last day of the month, July 31st? Get away day today/ day games. MLB wanted the deadline while no games being played. On a side note i wonder if not adding any MIF is a sign that Story may just be closer that we think? Even if he dosmt hit much he should still be good on bases and premium defender
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Post by cdj on Jul 31, 2024 12:39:57 GMT -5
The list of nutty deals: Padres acquire LHP Tanner Scott and RHP Bryan Hoeing from Marlins for LHP Robby Snelling, RHP Adam Mazur, INF Graham Pauley and INF Jay Beshears Braves acquire OF Jorge Soler and RHP Luke Jackson from Giants for LHP Tyler Matzek and INF Sabin Ceballos (No way I want to be on the hook for Soler's coming age 33-34 seasons) Astros acquire LHP Yusei Kikuchi from Blue Jays for 3 prospects Phillies acquire RHP Carlos Estévez from Angels for LHP Samuel Aldegheri and RHP George Klassen Everything else ended up being pretty reasonable I think God i love AJ
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Post by jdb on Jul 31, 2024 13:08:49 GMT -5
I’d give the deadline a solid B maybe B-. I thought we needed a defensive middle infielder to help the overall D.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 31, 2024 13:13:34 GMT -5
The Red Sox paid Sale's contract Dude’s a troll, I’d ignore The IGNORE feature is a gift.
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Post by 0ap0 on Jul 31, 2024 13:14:12 GMT -5
On a side note i wonder if not adding any MIF is a sign that Story may just be closer that we think? I feel like there were plenty of reasons not to have added MIFs and that the lack of having done so tells us nothing about Story's progress.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 31, 2024 13:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 31, 2024 13:45:21 GMT -5
I believe teams asked for this but I’m also certain they would’ve accepted less given none of the relievers moved went for prospects even really close to Mayer or Anthony. Not that I’m mad they didn’t match any of the deals but this is just PR spin from the Sox
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jul 31, 2024 14:04:32 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but not one player on BA's top 100 prospects was traded this deadline I think this is the MLB wide story of the deadline. Teams have really embraced the idea that fungibility is the key to modern baseball. Water down the playoffs so a bunch of 83-87 win teams are contenders. Swaps a bunch of complementary prospects for complementary players that fit your roster better than what you have. Don't try to win 95 games because it's expensive and risky. Don't worry about 2nd and 3rd tier prospect because you can just develop more. A high quality minor league development program doesn't make individual prospects more valuable to keep, it makes them easier to trade. You'll just make more. That might be a hard paradigm shift to adjust to for fans who love the minors, but I think teams have already made that adjustment and we just better get used to it.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Jul 31, 2024 14:08:22 GMT -5
I'd give Breslow a C for the deadline. Priester was the only interesting move of the bunch. Luis Garcia is 37 and a free agent after this season so basically exactly what the team doesnt need. Already have 3 old relievers, 2 of which (Jansen and Martin) are free agents at the end of the season. Sims might be decent but certainly not a shutdown back end reliever or closer.I'm fine with not paying the crazy high prices for RP's but Breslow should have added impact players elsewhere. Flaherty went for very cheap and could have helped the team far more than Paxton/Priester this season. A bat maybe like a Bryan De La Cruz could have been had pretty cheap or even Josh Bell.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 31, 2024 14:11:26 GMT -5
What do you give the Sox as a post trade deadline grade? C+ to B- for me..
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 31, 2024 14:24:21 GMT -5
What do you give the Sox as a post trade deadline grade? B+, we lacked any sexy moves so to speak, but there wasn't a trade that I disliked. we got the bullpen help we needed, we improved at backup catcher and got a righty bat in the process, I think that Yorke for Priester is a home run and probably the second best trade he's made after the Schreiber-Sandlin trade (need to see the results for Priester and Yorke first obviously).
The thing preventing it from being an A for me is that we didn't really improve the starting pitching for this season, I don't really see the upgrade for Paxton over Criswell. It helps our depth and we gave up next to nothing so I don't mind the trade, Priester as I said I love the trade, but I don't think Priester is going to pitch much if at all for us in 2024. It makes more sense to give him the next few months in AAA, an offseason in the pitching lab and give him a shot in the rotation to start next year.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 31, 2024 14:24:46 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but not one player on BA's top 100 prospects was traded this deadline This will be good to remember when the Red Sox fall out of contention and then people spend the next three years talking about what an obvious mistake it was for the Red Sox not to trade away Jansen, Pivetta, and O'Neill.
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Post by tanker65 on Jul 31, 2024 14:31:37 GMT -5
C+ I would have liked to see another bat 2B type) and some movement with Kenley (if there was interest). I did like the Yorke trade and Lucas Sims home and away split is weird to me maybe SSS?
ERA W L SV SVOP GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB K OBA
0.83 1 0 1 2 24 0 0 21.2 12 2 2 2 8 22 .162 7.90 0 4 0 1 19 0 0 13.2 18 12 12 4 12 18 .321
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 31, 2024 14:44:02 GMT -5
What do you give the Sox as a post trade deadline grade? C+ to B- for me.. That's where I'm at. It has potential to move up a lot higher if they really hit on Priester. I like that Breslow did attempt to improve a lot of the areas that need improving. I'm relieved that the top 6, if that includes Arias, is intact. I know my heart skipped a beat when I saw Morosi's post about Roman Anthony being scratched. I feel that the upgrades were so marginal that they might not go far enough to push them past KC or Minnesota or even Seattle. Paxton was low hanging fruit to get but hes not very good these days, but he is their viable starting depth should an injury occur. Danny Jansen is not the guy I would have chosen as THE RH bat that they needed. He is an upgrade to McGuire. I might have liked to have seen Turner return it sign Josh Bell. I know Smith has hit better as of late but it would be nice to have a useful RH bat to go with him. I know Casas is supposed to to return but I'm worried that he wont be right this year. I would have liked a higher quality reliever than Sims or Garcia, but even with Sims' control issues they should be an upgrade to what theyve been using in the pen. Garcia has a longer record of respectability than I thought although hes hardly dominating. Sims is tough to hit but watching relievers walk guys in high leverage situation drives me nuts. All that said I understand the concept if the price being too high and if so then I'm fine with them not paying it, but some teams made some deals where you felt like, that wasn't THAT much. In the deals they made I dont think they gave up much of consequence but as a prospect hugger, I had to come around to losing Lugo in the Garcia deal. I thought Lugo had defensive utility as an outfielder, 3b, and 2b, but apparently hes restricted to LF and soon Campbell will be a much better option. I dont think Coffey is hopeless. The power and walk are there but the hit tool is pretty questionable and he wint be pushing Raffy out of the way anytime soon anyways. While Portes is intriguing, and I complain about Sims' control, Portes doesnt exactly have impeccable control and if it doesnt improve then maybe the best he becomes is Lucas Sims. Maybe Breslow laid down 4 bunt singles. I dont think Priester will have much value for the Sox in 2024, but if they can get him to be a top to mid rotation starter at some point in the bear future, then that would be a HR. The thinking behind the deal is sound. I believe that both of Grissom and Campbell will be as good if not better than Yorke. This is the trade that could go any way especially if Yorke develops nicely as a 2b and the Sox continue to struggle at 2b and if Priester is just a marginal back end starter. We will see on that one. The idea is good. Did they pick the right guy to spend Yorke on?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 31, 2024 14:52:44 GMT -5
Should have sold then. I would have loved to have gotten that Astros haul they gave to Toronto for Pivetta.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 31, 2024 15:01:23 GMT -5
Should have sold then. I would have loved to have gotten that Astros haul they gave to Toronto for Pivetta. If a team is 1 game out going into the trade deadline and waves the white flag then what's the point of trying to compete? Why would anybody want to play on a team or watch a team like that who gives up so damn easily. We're a whole game out. Its insurmountable! We quit!!!
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