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Post by nomar on Jun 25, 2024 7:53:25 GMT -5
Not too interested in Rengifo. The roster doesn't really need another mediocre MI option. I don't see Rengifo being any better than Romy. I swear these writers just think the Red Sox suck and don't bother paying any attention to them and when they do have to write about them just pull stuff from who knows where based off their feelings from before the season even started. It’s funny that the ownership’s lack of spending has driven the narrative more than the play on the field, which has been remarkable considering the hand they’ve been dealt. Everyone is sleeping on the Sox
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Post by incandenza on Jun 25, 2024 8:03:50 GMT -5
Jeff Passana’s latest trade deadline has the Red Sox targeting infield versatility in the form of Luis Rengifo. He’s hitting well and can play all over the infield but is mainly a MI. His contract runs through 25. Seems like it’s crowding the existing depth More evidence that the roster is unimprovable, if this is the best addition Passan could come up with. Rengifo is bad defensively, has a .290 xwOBA this season, and has a 95 wRC+ for his career. If this guy takes away playing time from Hamilton or Romy he'd be actively making the team worse. And the logic totally dissolves once Grissom is healthy again.
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Post by patford on Jun 25, 2024 8:05:23 GMT -5
Not too interested in Rengifo. The roster doesn't really need another mediocre MI option. I don't see Rengifo being any better than Romy. I swear these writers just think the Red Sox suck and don't bother paying any attention to them and when they do have to write about them just pull stuff from who knows where based off their feelings from before the season even started. A large percentage of the national sports media hate Boston teams. They don't even try to hide it.
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Post by kwodes on Jun 25, 2024 8:15:11 GMT -5
Just something to consider in terms of roster crunches for additions at the deadline... as the season gets closer to the end, the need for bulk inning guys becomes less and less. Do they add someone and use the keller/Anderson spot? Even on a Justin Turner/RHH/SS acquisition?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 25, 2024 8:18:05 GMT -5
Jeff Passana’s latest trade deadline has the Red Sox targeting infield versatility in the form of Luis Rengifo. He’s hitting well and can play all over the infield but is mainly a MI. His contract runs through 25. Seems like it’s crowding the existing depth More evidence that the roster is unimprovable, if this is the best addition Passan could come up with. Rengifo is bad defensively, has a .290 xwOBA this season, and has a 95 wRC+ for his career. If this guy takes away playing time from Hamilton or Romy he'd be actively making the team worse. And the logic totally dissolves once Grissom is healthy again.
I'm slowly coming around to this line of thinking, I will stop short of saying it's unimprovable. However looking at the current teams one might peg as deadline sellers, it's slim pickings. There doesn't really seem to be any true impact players that are going to come from those teams at the deadline. Maybe Crochet but I have my doubts on how much an impact he will actually have in the 2nd half of the season due to his previous career high in IP. So the question becomes is it going to be worth it to pay a potential premium to maybe slightly improve the roster? I'm starting to have my doubts. I do have to believe they will make some sort of trade or two probably small ones just to show the guys there that hey we're doing something. I feel like even that would at least help morale, since last year there were a lot of stories of grumbling in the clubhouse when they did nothing at the deadline.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 25, 2024 8:19:25 GMT -5
Not too interested in Rengifo. The roster doesn't really need another mediocre MI option. I don't see Rengifo being any better than Romy. I swear these writers just think the Red Sox suck and don't bother paying any attention to them and when they do have to write about them just pull stuff from who knows where based off their feelings from before the season even started. I would argue half the Boston writers/media guys/podcasters are in the same boat. It’s one thing to regurgitate to “John Henry is a cheap weirdo* - last place team!” over and over in Spring Training or April. We are now halfway through the season and the team is good. (*which admittedly is probably true)
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Post by cdj on Jun 25, 2024 8:54:28 GMT -5
Jeff Passana’s latest trade deadline has the Red Sox targeting infield versatility in the form of Luis Rengifo. He’s hitting well and can play all over the infield but is mainly a MI. His contract runs through 25. Seems like it’s crowding the existing depth Another guy that can run
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Post by incandenza on Jun 25, 2024 8:55:36 GMT -5
Not too interested in Rengifo. The roster doesn't really need another mediocre MI option. I don't see Rengifo being any better than Romy. I swear these writers just think the Red Sox suck and don't bother paying any attention to them and when they do have to write about them just pull stuff from who knows where based off their feelings from before the season even started. It’s funny that the ownership’s lack of spending has driven the narrative more than the play on the field, which has been remarkable considering the hand they’ve been dealt. Everyone is sleeping on the Sox If one single media person had wanted to buck the consensus, there was an interesting story to tell coming into this season about how the Red Sox had a good young pre-arb or extended player at literally every position and in most of the rotation and bullpen. Now halfway through the season one of those guys is 8th in the majors in positional WAR, another is 1st in the majors in pitching WAR, another is in the ROY conversation, another might be the best defensive outfielder in the game, another has 1.9 WAR and 144 wRC+ at C, another is on a 4 WAR/600 and 70 SB pace... And there are significant contributors I haven't even mentioned, including Casas who's been hurt but is the best hitter of the bunch!
Yet still I have scarcely seen anyone pick up on this angle of what's going on with the team. Just a few days ago I heard a generally sharp national sportswriter say that the Red Sox "probably won't be good for a while."
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Post by trotman on Jun 25, 2024 9:41:47 GMT -5
Not too interested in Rengifo. The roster doesn't really need another mediocre MI option. I don't see Rengifo being any better than Romy. I swear these writers just think the Red Sox suck and don't bother paying any attention to them and when they do have to write about them just pull stuff from who knows where based off their feelings from before the season even started. A large percentage of the national sports media hate Boston teams. They don't even try to hide it. The Athletic has a similar trade deadline precursor article where they've identified the Red Sox top need as SS and SP. As everyone above as pointed out, unless its a star player, trading for MI doesn't make sense. Fixing the DH hole is the biggest room for improvement. I hope Yoshida starts to hit but with him off the roster the DH spot would change daily based on matchup and rest. Sure the Polar Bear would be nice there but the versatility would help.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jun 25, 2024 9:50:02 GMT -5
It’s more not that the roster can’t be improved but improved and worth the cost
For instance would I trade Grissom and Wikelman for Eovaldi?
If that got it done Yeah I would for sure. Nate would really stabilize the rotation and those specific pieces are expendable
Robert JR only makes sense if the package isn’t a killer and Yoshida is traded away
Other than specific trades like that it’s hard to find real fits to upgrade and trade partners that will be selling
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 25, 2024 9:58:08 GMT -5
A large percentage of the national sports media hate Boston teams. They don't even try to hide it. The Athletic has a similar trade deadline precursor article where they've identified the Red Sox top need as SS and SP. As everyone above as pointed out, unless its a star player, trading for MI doesn't make sense. Fixing the DH hole is the biggest room for improvement. I hope Yoshida starts to hit but with him off the roster the DH spot would change daily based on matchup and rest. Sure the Polar Bear would be nice there but the versatility would help.Might just be because I watched the game last night and saw Vlad Jr launch one into Cambridge but I would really love to get that guy for the DH spot. Probably wishful thinking and I'm sure the Jays would want a premium to deal him in division but he'd be a nice fit in between Devers and Casas the next year and a half if they pulled it off.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 25, 2024 10:18:20 GMT -5
A lot of people have mentioned Seattle and Logan Gilbert. For as lousy as Settle's offense is and for as rich in hitting prospects as the Sox are, this seems like a really good matchup. I'm not sure if they could pull something off during the season since both teams are trying to compete this year, but for a guy with this season plus 3 more years of control I wouldn't be as concerned about overall cost. People do keep mentioning the idea of getting Seattle to trade away one of their very good starting pitchers, and I have never come close to understanding why Seattle would want to do that.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 25, 2024 10:34:27 GMT -5
People do keep mentioning the idea of getting Seattle to trade away one of their very good starting pitchers, and I have never come close to understanding why Seattle would want to do that. Their lineup is terrible. Dominic Smith would be a roughly average hitter on that team. They need some balance if they want to remain competitive. I don't think Seattle wants to make that trade, but I would guess that they'd be willing to for the right price and I think Boston is in a good position to pay that right price.I don't really see it, Mariners aren't likely to deal Gilbert or Kirby for prospects. So it'd probably cost Duran for one of them, I'm not dealing Duran for either one of them. Other than Duran the Sox don't really have any MLB regulars to deal.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 25, 2024 10:36:48 GMT -5
People do keep mentioning the idea of getting Seattle to trade away one of their very good starting pitchers, and I have never come close to understanding why Seattle would want to do that. Their lineup is terrible. Dominic Smith would be a roughly average hitter on that team. They need some balance if they want to remain competitive. I don't think Seattle wants to make that trade, but I would guess that they'd be willing to for the right price and I think Boston is in a good position to pay that right price. A team that's leading their division is just not going to trade away their best starting pitcher, let alone one that has 3.5 arb years to go. And their lineup is far from terrible; they have a 97 wRC+, and Julio Rodriguez hasn't even heated up yet.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 25, 2024 10:39:01 GMT -5
Their lineup is terrible. Dominic Smith would be a roughly average hitter on that team. They need some balance if they want to remain competitive. I don't think Seattle wants to make that trade, but I would guess that they'd be willing to for the right price and I think Boston is in a good position to pay that right price.I don't really see it, Mariners aren't likely to deal Gilbert or Kirby for prospects. So it'd probably cost Duran for one of them, I'm not dealing Duran for either one of them. Other than Duran the Sox don't really have any MLB regulars to deal. Wilyer Abreu is a decent trade candidate for the Sox too. He's probably worth a good amount (and I'd bet on him increasing his value further), and they've got Anthony coming down the pike in the near future. Not at all suggesting the Red Sox should trade him this year (and I do not think the Mariners would trade Gilbert or Kirby for him), but just sayin' he's an MLB regular who I think could be dealt in the next year or so.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 25, 2024 10:41:39 GMT -5
I don't really see it, Mariners aren't likely to deal Gilbert or Kirby for prospects. So it'd probably cost Duran for one of them, I'm not dealing Duran for either one of them. Other than Duran the Sox don't really have any MLB regulars to deal. Wilyer Abreu is a decent trade candidate for the Sox too. He's probably worth a good amount (and I'd bet on him increasing his value further), and they've got Anthony coming down the pike in the near future. Not at all suggesting the Red Sox should trade him this year (and I do not think the Mariners would trade Gilbert or Kirby for him), but just sayin' he's an MLB regular who I think could be dealt in the next year or so. Fair point, I was glossing over him for some reason. I do feel like at some point Abreu is likely to be the odd man out in the OF if I had to guess. Unless Breslow wants to get aggressive and deal Anthony in some blockbuster deal anyway.
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Post by nomar on Jun 25, 2024 10:41:55 GMT -5
I don’t think the Mariners will be looking to sell anything meaningful. They might be a team the Sox could look to pawn Yoshida off on if they try to do that at the deadline, but that feels like more of an offseason type of change to me.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 25, 2024 10:42:15 GMT -5
While it is true that there are not a lot of current sellers with arms to trade that have been definitively better than Cooper Criswell this year (it’s basically like Crochet and Fedde until some other teams enter the Seller-palooza), that the team has sent him down to Triple A to chill in Worcester for a bit because of “off-days” does not inspire a whole lot of confidence.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 25, 2024 10:47:23 GMT -5
While it is true that there are not a lot of current sellers with arms to trade that have been definitively better than Cooper Criswell this year (it’s basically like Crochet and Fedde until some other teams enter the Seller-palooza), that the team has sent him down to Triple A to chill in Worcester for a bit because of “off-days” does not inspire a whole lot of confidence. Eh I think the Blue Jays and Tigers are almost definite sellers and that makes Flaherty and Kikuchi obvious rental SP candidates. If I were the Blue Jays I'd deal Chris Bassitt too but their GM situation makes that one more questionable I think.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jun 25, 2024 11:14:53 GMT -5
The Athletic has a similar trade deadline precursor article where they've identified the Red Sox top need as SS and SP. As everyone above as pointed out, unless its a star player, trading for MI doesn't make sense. Fixing the DH hole is the biggest room for improvement. I hope Yoshida starts to hit but with him off the roster the DH spot would change daily based on matchup and rest. Sure the Polar Bear would be nice there but the versatility would help.Might just be because I watched the game last night and saw Vlad Jr launch one into Cambridge but I would really love to get that guy for the DH spot. Probably wishful thinking and I'm sure the Jays would want a premium to deal him in division but he'd be a nice fit in between Devers and Casas the next year and a half if they pulled it off. If he could lift the ball like he did in 2021, that would be solid. Can't imagine that they want to sell, and even less so to the Red Sox.
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Post by wanderingdude on Jun 25, 2024 12:01:12 GMT -5
The Gilbert conversation probably starts and ends with either Casas or Duran and i’m not moving either for a starting pitcher. I’ve always been big on TINSTAAPP and the rash of injuries this year isn’t helping make me think that’s a good idea. Also, as fun as this team is, i still don’t think they’re ready for the blockbuster trade yet. If they want to buy a backend type and maybe a right handed hitter (i don’t know where they play though), great. But i think the block buster should be coupled with free agent spending this offseason or next. That timeline also gives you a bigger sample to figure out what the kids are both in the minors and the breakout of the ones in the majors.
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Post by strike23 on Jun 25, 2024 12:05:34 GMT -5
I've seen Eovaldi and DeGrom thrown around if Texas finds themselves out of it but what about Scherzer? Last year of his deal and I think we'd stay under the tax even paying him the remaining ~20M and most other competitive teams are either getting hit with some extreme penalties on that or have payroll constraints so I can't imagine he'd be that expensive
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 25, 2024 12:11:14 GMT -5
I've seen Eovaldi and DeGrom thrown around if Texas finds themselves out of it but what about Scherzer? Last year of his deal and I think we'd stay under the tax even paying him the remaining ~20M and most other competitive teams are either getting hit with some extreme penalties on that or have payroll constraints so I can't imagine he'd be that expensive I don’t think so. With the extensions they can only take on like $13m to stay under.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 25, 2024 12:11:52 GMT -5
I've seen Eovaldi and DeGrom thrown around if Texas finds themselves out of it but what about Scherzer? Last year of his deal and I think we'd stay under the tax even paying him the remaining ~20M and most other competitive teams are either getting hit with some extreme penalties on that or have payroll constraints so I can't imagine he'd be that expensive As long as they would stay under the LT I would take Scherzer, probably wouldn't cost all that much due to the money on the contract. If the Rangers do end up selling I'd be interested in any of Scherzer, Eovaldi or Heaney.
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Post by patford on Jun 25, 2024 12:14:48 GMT -5
While it is true that there are not a lot of current sellers with arms to trade that have been definitively better than Cooper Criswell this year (it’s basically like Crochet and Fedde until some other teams enter the Seller-palooza), that the team has sent him down to Triple A to chill in Worcester for a bit because of “off-days” does not inspire a whole lot of confidence. Where is the idea the White Sox are looking to move Crochet coming from? Crochet is a 25 year old LH pitcher. Exactly the sort of player a team planing on a rebuild would want to keep. Teams looking to rebuild are generally looking to unload older players with big contracts. Fedde is 31 so he's a maybe although this is the first year where he's been good.
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