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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 1, 2024 8:43:42 GMT -5
2 questions I have: - Is the general consensus that the Red Sox won't be seriously competitive until Teel, Anthony and Mayer are up? - Which free agent pitcher do people want? It's just Burnes and Fried this offseason I think. The Big 3 being up doesn’t make us contenders. If/when they become good players, we will become contenders. Good chance they succeed. But, no guarantee. Seems like Burnes or Fried are the fa’s. Doubt if Burnes hits the market. Trade for one. Breslin/Bailey and Tek seem to have a great pitching program. Here’s a novel thought. Draft some GD pitchers early!!! Sign a big time international one too. I would be very surprised if Burnes did not hit the market, he's an FA and we're halfway through the season. If he was going to sign an extension with Baltimore he'd probably have done it already. If he plays out the year with no extension he's almost guaranteed to hit the market. Not saying he couldn't re-sign with Baltimore at that point but it wouldn't make much sense to me to not hit the open market and have a bidding war over his services.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 1, 2024 8:50:36 GMT -5
Ken knows ball. (I’m probably in the minority, but I largely agree with Ken’s suggestions, minus some of the handwringing about Henry. That’s just beating a dead horse at this point.) Also, as much as it pains me this is probably true: “if the Sox are serious about contending, they should not trust Liam Hendriks, coming off Tommy John surgery, to close.” As with all of this stuff, we’ll see where the standings are in 3-4 weeks Ha well we’ll see what happens but I pretty much disagree with all his suggestions. I mean I don’t really care if we keep Cora or not, slightly prefer we do but I generally think managers are highly replaceable. Prefer to buy and sell at the deadline. I guess I’d trade Kenley for a starter but I’m not sure what that trade is and I’m also fine if they trade him for prospects. Mostly the article felt like an excuse to score on an open net by hammering John Henry again. Yeah I pretty much disagree with all 3 too. I don't want them to give Counsell money to Cora, that's a waste. What's the point of a rental shortstop at this point? You'd just lose a ton of versatility for almost zero return. And if you're trading Jansen it needs to be for prospects not a rental SP.
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Post by patford on Jul 1, 2024 8:53:27 GMT -5
Anyone thinking Crochet is a sleeper flying under the radar who can be had for a package of Nathan Hickey, Nick Sogard, Niko Kavadas and Richard Fitts can put that thought on hold. There's also the fact Crochet is a converted reliever coming off TJ surgery and has already passed his career high in innings pitched. My guess is the White Sox will be looking for younger prospects so a package like Anthony, Perales, Mayer, Cespedes, Elmer Rodriguez and Ovis Portis would probably be required. www.forbes.com/sites/danepstein/2024/07/01/the-chicago-white-sox-could-trade-strikeout-machine-garrett-crochet/"There has been a sea change in the top tier of pitching across MLB. None of the ten best pitchers in WAR were anywhere near last year’s top ten list. The greatest of all might be Chicago White Sox left-hander Garrett Crochet, and he could be on the move by the end of the month.
According to a report by USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, 15 teams have already requested a price check on Crochet."
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 1, 2024 9:02:01 GMT -5
Anyone thinking Crochet is a sleeper flying under the radar who can be had for a package of Nathan Hickey, Nick Sogard, Niko Kavadas and Richard Fitts can put that thought on hold. There's also the fact Crochet is a converted reliever coming off TJ surgery and has already passed his career high in innings pitched. My guess is the White Sox will be looking for younger prospects so a package like Anthony, Perales, Mayer, Cespedes, Elmer Rodriguez and Ovis Portis would probably be required. www.forbes.com/sites/danepstein/2024/07/01/the-chicago-white-sox-could-trade-strikeout-machine-garrett-crochet/"There has been a sea change in the top tier of pitching across MLB. None of the ten best pitchers in WAR were anywhere near last year’s top ten list. The greatest of all might be Chicago White Sox left-hander Garrett Crochet, and he could be on the move by the end of the month.
According to a report by USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, 15 teams have already requested a price check on Crochet." Are you suggesting that Crochet somehow would cost a package including all the players in bold? Two top 10-20 prospects, another top 100 guy pre-TJ in Perales, A guy who very easily could be in the top 100 by the end of the year in Cespedes and two more intriguing young arms? No chance in hell that Crochet nets all that in a return, Chris Sale didn't even bring back that type of return.
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Post by badballhitter on Jul 1, 2024 9:50:47 GMT -5
Genuine question...where do people propose starting pitchers come from? I get the general sense that the same people who say you can't draft pitchers because they are too risky are the same people who say you can't trade for starting pitching because it's to expensive and risky and are the same people who say you can't get starting pitching in free agency because it's too expensive and risky.
It seems like you have to pay the piper at some point, so when exactly is the right time to do it? Personally, for this team right now a trade seems the best route to improve short-term, but interested to hear what others think.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 1, 2024 10:16:12 GMT -5
He makes a very weird argument that is mostly centered on the idea that the team's fate is entirely bound up with Alex Cora. His case boils down to:
"If the owners really cared about making this team good they would extend Alex Cora."
Could the owners have given Cora a bigger vote of confidence than ensuring that he stayed in the job regardless of who the new GM would be? Wasn't this itself a controversially strong commitment at the time? And should they make this guarantee to a manager who has overseen two consecutive stretch-run collapses and by his own admission was unhappy and disengaged last season? And would it not undermine their GM for the owners to make this decision on their own?
"They would also state unequivocally that the Red Sox are buyers..."
At 33% playoff odds? Even if you think that's a position where a team ought to be buyers, things could obviously look worse a month from now; making an unequivocal statement now would be reckless. And again, why would the owners be talking about this, or even making this decision, rather than Breslow and co.?
"...so as to persuade Cora to stick around."
Oh I see. This recklessness would be in the service of marginally improving the odds of bringing about the Most Important Thing: keeping Alex Cora around. Even if it makes the team worse over the long-term, it would be part of the pitch to keep Cora around.
"Cora thinks the team should be buyers at the deadline, therefore they should be buyers at the deadline."
He is really leaning into this idea that keeping Cora is the one singular way that the owners can demonstrate a commitment to winning.
"If they trade away Pivetta, O'Neill, etc. that would seal Cora's departure."
This just seems like a total non sequitur, if not an outright contradiction; if the team is investing more in the future why would that make Cora less likely to stick around?
The other argument shoehorned in here is that the team didn't seem to try in the offseason by spending lots of money, so they need to make up for that by being buyers at the deadline regardless of their marginal playoff odds and long-term plans.
It's all a little weird.
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Post by wamderingdude on Jul 1, 2024 10:19:47 GMT -5
Genuine question...where do people propose starting pitchers come from? I get the general sense that the same people who say you can't draft pitchers because they are too risky are the same people who say you can't trade for starting pitching because it's to expensive and risky and are the same people who say you can't get starting pitching in free agency because it's too expensive and risky. It seems like you have to pay the piper at some point, so when exactly is the right time to do it? Personally, for this team right now a trade seems the best route to improve short-term, but interested to hear what others think. I’d much rather pay them in free agency and draft them, particularly outside of like the top 5 picks in the draft. So if the Red Sox like a pitcher at 12 have at it. I’d also be very open to trading our rentals for pitching prospects similar to the Schreiber trade. My philosophy for pitchers and particularly prospects is taking as many bites at the apple as you can and hopefully getting someone to pop. Trading 3 or 4 prospects, particularly great ones, for one guy just puts so much risk into that one arm. Signing a free agent pitcher and having him get hurt sucks, but just losing him for money is so much less painful than losing him for a potentially elite position player. It’s also not my money so i don’t know how Henry feels about it.
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Post by 0ap0 on Jul 1, 2024 10:21:49 GMT -5
.... - Which free agent pitcher do people want? It's just Burnes and Fried this offseason I think. .... 2) Those 2 + Sasaski. Which is miles above the Snell/Montgomery sweepstakes from last year, Yamamoto erasure
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Post by incandenza on Jul 1, 2024 10:27:21 GMT -5
Anyone thinking Crochet is a sleeper flying under the radar who can be had for a package of Nathan Hickey, Nick Sogard, Niko Kavadas and Richard Fitts can put that thought on hold. There's also the fact Crochet is a converted reliever coming off TJ surgery and has already passed his career high in innings pitched. My guess is the White Sox will be looking for younger prospects so a package like Anthony, Perales, Mayer, Cespedes, Elmer Rodriguez and Ovis Portis would probably be required. I enjoy how extremely unrealistic both of these hypothetical proposals are.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 1, 2024 10:29:07 GMT -5
.... 2) Those 2 + Sasaski. Which is miles above the Snell/Montgomery sweepstakes from last year, Yamamoto erasure I think it's pretty clear that Yamamoto was never an option for the Red Sox. Nor most of the rest of the league.
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Post by patford on Jul 1, 2024 10:36:51 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear that Yamamoto was never an option for the Red Sox. Nor most of the rest of the league. Pretty obvious Yamamoto was always going to the Dodgers to join Ohtani and other teams were just being used to drive up the price tag which the Dodgers weren't worried about because of the way Ohtani structured his contract.
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Post by patford on Jul 1, 2024 10:41:00 GMT -5
Genuine question...where do people propose starting pitchers come from? I get the general sense that the same people who say you can't draft pitchers because they are too risky are the same people who say you can't trade for starting pitching because it's to expensive and risky and are the same people who say you can't get starting pitching in free agency because it's too expensive and risky. It seems like you have to pay the piper at some point, so when exactly is the right time to do it? Personally, for this team right now a trade seems the best route to improve short-term, but interested to hear what others think. I’d much rather pay them in free agency and draft them, particularly outside of like the top 5 picks in the draft. So if the Red Sox like a pitcher at 12 have at it. I’d also be very open to trading our rentals for pitching prospects similar to the Schreiber trade. My philosophy for pitchers and particularly prospects is taking as many bites at the apple as you can and hopefully getting someone to pop. Trading 3 or 4 prospects, particularly great ones, for one guy just puts so much risk into that one arm. Signing a free agent pitcher and having him get hurt sucks, but just losing him for money is so much less painful than losing him for a potentially elite position player. It’s also not my money so i don’t know how Henry feels about it. That's my view as well. Pitcher injuries have become such a huge factor it's completely reset how I view the market for pitchers. You have to assume any pitcher is going to miss considerable time. It's crazy now and logically will only get worse. Teams are treating pitchers like race horses.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 1, 2024 10:49:35 GMT -5
The ranks of the sellers have really swelled up recently. 10 days ago there were only 2 teams in the NL more than 2 games out of a wild card; now there are 8. (The NL race is actually on the verge of becoming really boring all of a sudden, if the Cardinals and Padres stay hot.) The AL is sorting itself out a little bit too, to where I think 12 teams can be considered solid sellers:
Nationals Marlins Pirates Cubs Reds Rockies Blue Jays Tigers White Sox Rangers Angels
A's
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 1, 2024 10:55:17 GMT -5
The ranks of the sellers have really swelled up recently. 10 days ago there were only 2 teams in the NL more than 2 games out of a wild card; now there are 8. (The NL race is actually on the verge of becoming really boring all of a sudden, if the Cardinals and Padres stay hot.) The AL is sorting itself out a little bit too, to where I think 12 teams can be considered solid sellers:
Nationals Marlins Pirates Cubs Reds Rockies Blue Jays Tigers White Sox Rangers Angels
A's
Good grief, there is absolutely nothing on that Oakland team they can even spin off unless they decide to try to cash in on Mason Miller.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 1, 2024 10:59:07 GMT -5
The ranks of the sellers have really swelled up recently. 10 days ago there were only 2 teams in the NL more than 2 games out of a wild card; now there are 8. (The NL race is actually on the verge of becoming really boring all of a sudden, if the Cardinals and Padres stay hot.) The AL is sorting itself out a little bit too, to where I think 12 teams can be considered solid sellers:
Nationals Marlins Pirates Cubs Reds Rockies Blue Jays Tigers White Sox Rangers Angels
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Good grief, there is absolutely nothing on that Oakland team they can even spin off unless they decide to try to cash in on Mason Miller. Rooker screams trade candidate to me. About to enter arb, having a career year. With how much people want a righty hitter around here I'm surprised his name hasn't come up more (though I personally wouldn't go for it I could see a scenario where it would make sense).
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Post by asm18 on Jul 1, 2024 10:59:17 GMT -5
Just for fun: if you were Craig Breslow and were trading for any of these current Sox players as rentals in an alternate universe where they were on another team, what SoxProspects would you offer for them? (Or if you prefer - what current SoxProspects would you want in return if you were the opposing GM)
Tyler O'Neill:
242 PA's, 16 HR's, 28 RBI's, .252/.347/.529. 135 wRC+. 1.4 fWAR
Kenley Jansen:
28.1 innings, 33 k's, 11 bb's - 2.22 ERA (3.12 xERA, 2.10 FIP), 16 saves, 1.1 fWAR.
Nick Pivetta:
61.2 innings, 68 K's, 16 BB's - 4.52 ERA (3.92 xERA, 4.47 FIP), .6 fWAR
Chris Martin:
25.1 innings, 28 k's, 4 bb's - 3.55 ERA (3.35 xERA, 3.47 FIP), .2 fWAR
Might lend some perspective of the trade values of these rentals/prospects we might send out.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 1, 2024 11:46:09 GMT -5
Just for fun: if you were Craig Breslow and were trading for any of these current Sox players as rentals in an alternate universe where they were on another team, what SoxProspects would you offer for them? (Or if you prefer - what current SoxProspects would you want in return if you were the opposing GM) Tyler O'Neill: 242 PA's, 16 HR's, 28 RBI's, .252/.347/.529. 135 wRC+. 1.4 fWAR Kenley Jansen:28.1 innings, 33 k's, 11 bb's - 2.22 ERA (3.12 xERA, 2.10 FIP), 16 saves, 1.1 fWAR. Nick Pivetta:61.2 innings, 68 K's, 16 BB's - 4.52 ERA (3.92 xERA, 4.47 FIP), .6 fWAR Chris Martin:25.1 innings, 28 k's, 4 bb's - 3.55 ERA (3.35 xERA, 3.47 FIP), .2 fWAR Might lend some perspective of the trade values of these rentals/prospects we might send out. I'll play the game and use SP rankings. O'Neill- 15th~ ranked guy Lugo, Jansen/Pivetta 10th~ ranked guy - Fitts/Sandlin, Martin that one is kind of tough probably someone 15-20~? Wilkelman, ERC, Monegro. Is that asking too much? Too little? I don't really know but basically I'd be looking for toolsy pitchers who could help even out the farm depth and in the case of O'Neill some sort of hitter who could possibly offer something along the lines of O'Neill's production down the line in a year or two.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 1, 2024 11:55:38 GMT -5
Just for fun: if you were Craig Breslow and were trading for any of these current Sox players as rentals in an alternate universe where they were on another team, what SoxProspects would you offer for them? (Or if you prefer - what current SoxProspects would you want in return if you were the opposing GM) Tyler O'Neill: 242 PA's, 16 HR's, 28 RBI's, .252/.347/.529. 135 wRC+. 1.4 fWAR Kenley Jansen:28.1 innings, 33 k's, 11 bb's - 2.22 ERA (3.12 xERA, 2.10 FIP), 16 saves, 1.1 fWAR. Nick Pivetta:61.2 innings, 68 K's, 16 BB's - 4.52 ERA (3.92 xERA, 4.47 FIP), .6 fWAR Chris Martin:25.1 innings, 28 k's, 4 bb's - 3.55 ERA (3.35 xERA, 3.47 FIP), .2 fWAR Might lend some perspective of the trade values of these rentals/prospects we might send out. I'll play the game and use SP rankings. O'Neill- 15th~ ranked guy Lugo, Jansen/Pivetta 10th~ ranked guy - Fitts/Sandlin, Martin that one is kind of tough probably someone 15-20~? Wilkelman, ERC, Monegro. Is that asking too much? Too little? I don't really know but basically I'd be looking for toolsy pitchers who could help even out the farm depth and in the case of O'Neill some sort of hitter who could possibly offer something along the lines of O'Neill's production down the line in a year or two. I think O'Neill and possibly Pivetta are QO candidates, and so to me the return might need to be better than that, at least for O'Neill. A comp pick guy could land in the system in the 10-15 range, so why would you trade O'Neill for only that much value if it also hurts your 2024 odds?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 1, 2024 12:01:36 GMT -5
I'll play the game and use SP rankings. O'Neill- 15th~ ranked guy Lugo, Jansen/Pivetta 10th~ ranked guy - Fitts/Sandlin, Martin that one is kind of tough probably someone 15-20~? Wilkelman, ERC, Monegro. Is that asking too much? Too little? I don't really know but basically I'd be looking for toolsy pitchers who could help even out the farm depth and in the case of O'Neill some sort of hitter who could possibly offer something along the lines of O'Neill's production down the line in a year or two. I think O'Neill and possibly Pivetta are QO candidates, and so to me the return might need to be better than that, at least for O'Neill. A comp pick guy could land in the system in the 10-15 range, so why would you trade O'Neill for only that much value if it also hurts your 2024 odds? Fair point but a comp draft pick guy is going to be years away from the majors where my thoughts would be someone similar to Lugo who is maybe a year or so away from being in the majors. Then again they already have Lugo who is looking like he could be the answer himself anyway so do they need another Matthew Lugo? Perhaps not.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 1, 2024 12:10:38 GMT -5
I'll play the game and use SP rankings. O'Neill- 15th~ ranked guy Lugo, Jansen/Pivetta 10th~ ranked guy - Fitts/Sandlin, Martin that one is kind of tough probably someone 15-20~? Wilkelman, ERC, Monegro. Is that asking too much? Too little? I don't really know but basically I'd be looking for toolsy pitchers who could help even out the farm depth and in the case of O'Neill some sort of hitter who could possibly offer something along the lines of O'Neill's production down the line in a year or two. I think O'Neill and possibly Pivetta are QO candidates, and so to me the return might need to be better than that, at least for O'Neill. A comp pick guy could land in the system in the 10-15 range, so why would you trade O'Neill for only that much value if it also hurts your 2024 odds? I think that if they continue to perform the way they have been both O'Neill and Pivetta accept the QO. I don't see either approaching that AAV on even a shorter deal (especially with the draft pick penalty) so if I'm their agent I'm saying take it, hit the market next year unfettered.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 1, 2024 12:18:19 GMT -5
I think O'Neill and possibly Pivetta are QO candidates, and so to me the return might need to be better than that, at least for O'Neill. A comp pick guy could land in the system in the 10-15 range, so why would you trade O'Neill for only that much value if it also hurts your 2024 odds? I think that if they continue to perform the way they have been both O'Neill and Pivetta accept the QO. I don't see either approaching that AAV on even a shorter deal (especially with the draft pick penalty) so if I'm their agent I'm saying take it, hit the market next year unfettered. I agree which is why, if they are sellers, I definitely trade O'Neill by the deadline. You'd take the comp pick, but you're unlikely to get it. Of course if they dealt Abreu or Duran then you could change course. But I'm keeping Duran, he's quickly become a leader and core piece.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 1, 2024 12:21:18 GMT -5
I think O'Neill and possibly Pivetta are QO candidates, and so to me the return might need to be better than that, at least for O'Neill. A comp pick guy could land in the system in the 10-15 range, so why would you trade O'Neill for only that much value if it also hurts your 2024 odds? I think that if they continue to perform the way they have been both O'Neill and Pivetta accept the QO. I don't see either approaching that AAV on even a shorter deal (especially with the draft pick penalty) so if I'm their agent I'm saying take it, hit the market next year unfettered. I'm not sure if this is implying O'Neill has been bad recently but if so he had a 155 wRC+ in June. If he keeps up what he's done this year he's a 2-3 win player. I'd be happy to have him back on a 1 year QO, or trade him on that deal which should be easy enough. Hard to say with Pivetta, I think it's about 50/50 right now we'll see how he ends the year, but if he's good enough that you offer the QO and he takes it I'd be fine with that too.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 1, 2024 12:31:29 GMT -5
Good grief, there is absolutely nothing on that Oakland team they can even spin off unless they decide to try to cash in on Mason Miller. Rooker screams trade candidate to me. About to enter arb, having a career year. With how much people want a righty hitter around here I'm surprised his name hasn't come up more (though I personally wouldn't go for it I could see a scenario where it would make sense). Rooker is streaky as hell. Fans would be calling for his head during the bad patches. Blackburn is pretty serviceable though. I think it's pretty clear that Yamamoto was never an option for the Red Sox. Nor most of the rest of the league. Pretty obvious Yamamoto was always going to the Dodgers to join Ohtani and other teams were just being used to drive up the price tag which the Dodgers weren't worried about because of the way Ohtani structured his contract. This.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 1, 2024 12:40:15 GMT -5
Genuine question...where do people propose starting pitchers come from? I get the general sense that the same people who say you can't draft pitchers because they are too risky are the same people who say you can't trade for starting pitching because it's to expensive and risky and are the same people who say you can't get starting pitching in free agency because it's too expensive and risky. It seems like you have to pay the piper at some point, so when exactly is the right time to do it? Personally, for this team right now a trade seems the best route to improve short-term, but interested to hear what others think. The international draft for <$100k. Seems like that's what the Sox have been doing lately, anyway. You are better off signing 10 Brayan Bello's than 1 Jay Groome or Anderson Espinoza, at least imo. They are lottery tickets. The more you have, the better your odds. As for Crochet... he's interesting. He skipped the minors all together and only has 186.2 pro innings on his arm. One could argue he's already got TJS out of the way too. No idea what someone like him gets. Still just 25 years old and cost controlled. Barely any track record. I'd be willing to move a package of something like Abreu, Yorke and Bleis. Fitts too. I don't think it would be close to enough, but it is considerably better than the Fitts, Nathan, Nick and Niko pupu platter. T doubt anyone sees the latter 3 as anything other than AAAA players. I don't think I'd include one of the big 3 and Perales isn't going anywhere.
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Post by bg23 on Jul 1, 2024 12:55:12 GMT -5
Genuine question...where do people propose starting pitchers come from? I get the general sense that the same people who say you can't draft pitchers because they are too risky are the same people who say you can't trade for starting pitching because it's to expensive and risky and are the same people who say you can't get starting pitching in free agency because it's too expensive and risky. It seems like you have to pay the piper at some point, so when exactly is the right time to do it? Personally, for this team right now a trade seems the best route to improve short-term, but interested to hear what others think. The international draft for <$100k. Seems like that's what the Sox have been doing lately, anyway. You are better off signing 10 Brayan Bello's than 1 Jay Groome or Anderson Espinoza, at least imo. They are lottery tickets. The more you have, the better your odds. As for Crochet... he's interesting. He skipped the minors all together and only has 186.2 pro innings on his arm. One could argue he's already got TJS out of the way too. No idea what someone like him gets. Still just 25 years old and cost controlled. Barely any track record. I'd be willing to move a package of something like Abreu, Yorke and Bleis. Fitts too. I don't think it would be close to enough, but it is considerably better than the Fitts, Nathan, Nick and Niko pupu platter. T doubt anyone sees the latter 3 as anything other than AAAA players. I don't think I'd include one of the big 3 and Perales isn't going anywhere. Statistically, pitchers who have had TJS are more likely to have a second TJS than a pitcher who has not had elbow surgery is to have their first TJS. Not even to mention the lower rate (but ever increasing) of return to form for second TJS players. TJS can only ever be considered a demerit. Not to say do not trade for Crochet (I wouldn't but can see why people would), but having a previous surgery is not one of those reasons. All that to be said if the White Sox accept Abreu, Yorke, Bleis, and Fitts, I will go pick up Crochet from Chicago myself.
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