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Post by puzzler on Jul 6, 2024 14:09:31 GMT -5
The thing with Crochet is that over the previous five years, including his last year in college, the most innings he's pitched in a season is 54.1. The second highest is 12.2 innings. There's just no track record and for what he's going to cost I'd personally want to explore more established options. I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, I don't think Breslow should blow up the farm for Crochet. But I don't get this complaint. Crochet not having a lot of miles on his arm is a good thing to me. I don't know why it's preferable to have a guy that has thrown ~1k innings. It's not just about having or not having. It's about cost. As ematz mentioned, when should you give an ace package for a guy with 18 starts? And you say you wouldn't blow up the farm for him...but the reality is he's going to probably get a huge package of prospects. This isn't a hypothetical who would you rather have in a vacuum.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 6, 2024 14:18:58 GMT -5
As ematz mentioned, when should you give an ace package for a guy with 18 starts? Whenever Paul Skenes makes his 18th start.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 6, 2024 14:23:10 GMT -5
The thing with crochet is that I have a hard time with the idea of giving up an ace type package for him when he's literally only started 18 games. Sure he looks the part but that's hardly enough track record for me to trust it just yet. The guy has never pitched enough innings to qualify for an ERA title. Some people are so busy extrapolating his,numbers as if fatigue won't be a serious factor that can harm his numbers and surrender major prospects to do so. Well if somebody is going to do that, I hope it's not the Red Sox. I'd rather see them.go after a pitcher who's capable of throwing 160 innings plus be able to throw more innings in the post season without being gassed. Geez, sounds like I just described Eovaldi. In the offseason I want them going heavy after Burnes or Fried or Sasaki if that's a possibility.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 6, 2024 14:23:43 GMT -5
As ematz mentioned, when should you give an ace package for a guy with 18 starts? Whenever Paul Skenes makes his 18th start. Yes.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 6, 2024 14:28:29 GMT -5
I have no idea how Crochet’s arm will hold up the rest of the way, but if the Red Sox believe it will there’s probably no single upgrade any team could make that would have a greater impact on both playoff and championship odds than the Red Sox swapping out the back of their rotation with Crochet.
So if they do send a haul for him it’ll hurt but I’ll support it until/unless he proves that he can’t stay healthy.
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Post by theburn on Jul 6, 2024 18:12:50 GMT -5
I'm out on Crochet purely because of what it would cost to acquire him.
Another idea: The Athletic reported that Colorado is open to moving Cal Quantrill and Austin Gomber. Why not offer a lesser prospect package--that would not need to include any of the big three--for someone like Quantrill? He won't break the bank and is under control for next season too.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 6, 2024 20:27:01 GMT -5
In order for the sox to be a realistic contender in the playoffs they need - a starting pitcher. Probably somebody who can make a playoff start. Eflin is my choice. Evo or maybe Flaherty. Kirby/Gilbert if you want to break the bank. - a middle infielder that plays defence and bats RH. Trevor Story comes to mind. Its a shame that injury was so catastrophic. Coulda just as easy been 2-3 months and he on way back. I dont see any awesome fits. But its a clear need. I wonder if a guy could get Brandon Crawford? I wouldnt even say no to Baez if Detroit pays - RH power and relief pitching would be welcome but not a priority.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 6, 2024 20:59:30 GMT -5
I feel like I need to remind some folks that Javier Baez is batting .183 with a .456 ops across 200ABs this year. Under no circumstances should he be acquired.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 6, 2024 21:14:12 GMT -5
Pitchers that don't cost much are unlikely to be much of an impact, it's not like the bottom of our rotation is doggie doo.
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Post by theburn on Jul 6, 2024 21:23:51 GMT -5
Pitchers that don't cost much are unlikely to be much of an impact, it's not like the bottom of our rotation is doggie doo. Winckowski’s pitching line today would like a word.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 6, 2024 22:02:21 GMT -5
Pitchers that don't cost much are unlikely to be much of an impact, it's not like the bottom of our rotation is doggie doo. Winckowski’s pitching line today would like a word. Always a great idea to base decisions on one start vs you know, actual talent. There will be no one available for cheap that would likely have much of an impact.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 6, 2024 23:18:24 GMT -5
It feels like July is going to fly by. When you look ahead to August, after an off-day on 8/1, the Red Sox play 33 games in 34 days from 8/2 through 9/4 (which includes a double-header because of the suspended game vs Toronto.)
If they don’t bring in more pitching depth by the deadline - one way or another - that staff is going to break
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Post by asm18 on Jul 7, 2024 18:09:09 GMT -5
I’m going to give Breslow the benefit of the doubt here that this is a timing thing (deadline is still 3 weeks away and teams probably aren’t having heavy conversations until after the All-Star break) and so a final decision hasn’t been made. Still time for the team to continue to play well and keep raising those playoff odds(or the alternative…)
I cannot fathom continuing to own a playoff spot on July 30th (not CHASING a playoff spot - literally HAVING one) and any front office being like, “Meh, who even needs the postseason?”
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 7, 2024 18:14:21 GMT -5
I’m going to give Breslow the benefit of the doubt here that this is a timing thing (deadline is still 3 weeks away and teams probably aren’t having heavy conversations until after the All-Star break) and so a final decision hasn’t been made. Still time for the team to continue to play well and keep raising those playoff odds(or the alternative…) I cannot fathom continuing to own a playoff spot on July 30th (not CHASING a playoff spot - literally HAVING one) and any front office being like, “Meh, who even needs the postseason?” I also put no stock into what buster says these days.
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Post by cdj on Jul 7, 2024 18:16:37 GMT -5
I’m going to give Breslow the benefit of the doubt here that this is a timing thing (deadline is still 3 weeks away and teams probably aren’t having heavy conversations until after the All-Star break) and so a final decision hasn’t been made. Still time for the team to continue to play well and keep raising those playoff odds(or the alternative…) I cannot fathom continuing to own a playoff spot on July 30th (not CHASING a playoff spot - literally HAVING one) and any front office being like, “Meh, who even needs the postseason?” I also put no stock into what buster says these days. Buster is sitting 86 with his fastball these days, best days are done
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Post by markm7 on Jul 7, 2024 18:46:14 GMT -5
I’m not sure why everyone wants a commitment one way or the other on checks notes July 7th. This team could get just as cold as they were hot and be out of it. I think Breslow will wait till July 26th before he makes any decisions no need to rush
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 7, 2024 18:49:37 GMT -5
I’m going to give Breslow the benefit of the doubt here that this is a timing thing (deadline is still 3 weeks away and teams probably aren’t having heavy conversations until after the All-Star break) and so a final decision hasn’t been made. Still time for the team to continue to play well and keep raising those playoff odds(or the alternative…) I cannot fathom continuing to own a playoff spot on July 30th (not CHASING a playoff spot - literally HAVING one) and any front office being like, “Meh, who even needs the postseason?” There are still 19 games until the deadline, so a bad stretch, say 6-13, probably pushes the playoff percentage back into the high 20’s low 30’s which is in sell territory. I really doubt they would actually sell if they held a playoff spot, but there’s still a long way to go.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 7, 2024 18:51:08 GMT -5
Let's just play the card that Breslow didn't feel like he needed to signal one way or the other to teams yet.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 7, 2024 18:56:22 GMT -5
It's mind-boggling to me why Breslow has quadrupled down on his "must pick a lane" stance.
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Post by kwodes on Jul 7, 2024 19:14:22 GMT -5
I also put no stock into what buster says these days. Buster is sitting 86 with his fastball these days, best days are done 100%. He has been a Yankee talking head for a few years now. The narrative should be how well the sox are playing and how poorly the Yankees are. Not how the Sox are "undecided" on trade deadline, the fans are angry at ownership, Cora needs to be extended, etc etc etc.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 7, 2024 19:30:28 GMT -5
Let's just play the card that Breslow didn't feel like he needed to signal one way or the other to teams yet. I think the bigger issue is there’s another ~15 games of information to take in I think they should / will end up buying eventually and are likely leaning that way but if they crater between now and the deadline you don’t want another “full throttle” on your hands
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 7, 2024 19:36:30 GMT -5
I’m going to give Breslow the benefit of the doubt here that this is a timing thing (deadline is still 3 weeks away and teams probably aren’t having heavy conversations until after the All-Star break) and so a final decision hasn’t been made. Still time for the team to continue to play well and keep raising those playoff odds(or the alternative…) I cannot fathom continuing to own a playoff spot on July 30th (not CHASING a playoff spot - literally HAVING one) and any front office being like, “Meh, who even needs the postseason?” If I'm a FO looking to BUY a player from a team I say, "I'm not sure we're buying; I'm just looking." If I'm a FO that might have interest in SELLING, when another team inquires about my players I say, "I'm not sure we're selling, but sure, have a look at what we might have to offer." Under no circumstances am I identifying my intentions if/until I must.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 7, 2024 20:50:59 GMT -5
It's mind-boggling to me why Breslow has quadrupled down on his "must pick a lane" stance. Is it because that’s supposedly why Bloom got canned?
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Post by strike23 on Jul 7, 2024 21:03:12 GMT -5
Feels like the Royals series is going to be pretty big in determining how we approach the deadline, can't see the FO leaning too hard on a west coast trip in deciding if the team is worth investing in and assume they'd want any reinforcements before the yankees series at the end of July.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 7, 2024 21:56:49 GMT -5
It's mind-boggling to me why Breslow has quadrupled down on his "must pick a lane" stance. Is it because that’s supposedly why Bloom got canned? I think you have bingo.
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