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Post by gerry on Jul 17, 2024 11:52:53 GMT -5
Beaverton. Good point about a big splash deal not needed for this team. Or even wanted?
1. This team has become very good, is developing its very own and dangerous personality. These talented players are developing confidence and cameraderie. Augmentation seems the better approach right now.
2. Celebrating the (non-linear) achievements of All-Stars Jarren Duran (and Houck) shines bright spotlights on still (non-linear) developing, obviously emerging stars like Abreu, Casas Hamilton, Rafaella, Wong, Bello, Crawford, etc. These “kids” are suddenly just a few games shy of the division lead and share baseball’s best recent record. Let the kids surrounding Duran continue to shine. Don’t mess with it. Augment it.
3. This off-season is the time to add another genuine star or two to this already bright new constellation, so they can become a cohesive team in ST. After so much talk of trading Duran, and with so many stars rising and in the wings, IMO the Sox would be wise to trade lightly.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 17, 2024 19:50:52 GMT -5
I still would prefer a big splash, preferably for Crotchet. Trading minor leaguers won't impact team chemistry.
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Post by gerry on Jul 17, 2024 20:25:36 GMT -5
I get that. I have a crush on Crochet too, despite the innings and injury concerns. The team would probably get an extra charge from signing him as an augment. And short and long term SP depth solved. If he can dominate in this second half.
But would you be willing to give up some of the truly top tier talent like Anthony to get him. Would losing a long term ROY level C or SS or RF be worth it instead of grabbing a solid but lesser arm for less of a dent in the system?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 17, 2024 20:41:48 GMT -5
To me, yes. My only untouchable is Teal because, catcher but, there are some combos I wouldn't do, the most obvious being two of Anthony, Campbell and Mayer..
I would even consider expanding the trade if the WS want to include Thorpe (doubtful). Don't forget, we have a roster crunch coming.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 17, 2024 20:59:36 GMT -5
I still would prefer a big splash, preferably for Crotchet. Trading minor leaguers won't impact team chemistry. Yes, but. How much of the future would be needed to get Crochet? FWIW, I am in your camp when it comes to adding Crochet. Never Teel because he is likely a ten-year player. Not Mayer unless the Sox think Campbell is now the SS of the future. Not Campbell unless the Sox plan to move Story to 2B even if he is not the SS of the future. Not Anthony if they see him replacing Abrue. But they can’t all play at once unless one becomes a DH. And, where do Rafaela, Abrue and top MiLB talent like Lugo, Yorke et al fit in. Bottom line for me. Do it without losing two top talents.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 17, 2024 21:10:46 GMT -5
I still would prefer a big splash, preferably for Crotchet. Trading minor leaguers won't impact team chemistry. Yes, but. How much of the future would be needed to get Crochet? FWIW, I am in your camp when it comes to adding Crochet. Never Teel because he is likely a ten-year player. Not Mayer unless the Sox think Campbell is now the SS of the future. Not Campbell unless the Sox plan to move Story to 2B even if he is not the SS of the future. Not Anthony if they see him replacing Abrue. But they can’t all play at once unless one becomes a DH. And, where do Rafaela, Abrue and top MiLB talent like Lugo, Yorke et al fit in. Bottom line for me. Do it without losing two top talents. Trading two of the big four for Crochet would be malpractice. I mean two of the big four for Gilbert, Kirby or Skubal, maybe. But for a guy who has thrown less than 110 professional innings as a SP w/ only two years of team control after this season is not who you want to be emptying the top tier of your farm for.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 17, 2024 21:14:06 GMT -5
There's a roster crunch looming....
To me,
Mayer or Anthony or Campbell then whatever it takes from:
Bleis (yeah I know) Yorke Valdez Lugo Meidroth Wikelman Perales Blaze
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 17, 2024 21:21:06 GMT -5
There's a roster crunch looming.... To me, Mayer or Anthony or Campbell then whatever it takes from: Bleis (yeah I know) Yorke Valdez Lugo Meidroth Wikelman Perales Blaze No
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 18, 2024 0:37:51 GMT -5
I don't think everyone is taking into account the roster crunch that is likely to happen in the near future. Just counting the players on the current roster plus the top 20 prospects who probably start 2025 in the AAA lineup you have: C - Wong, Teel 1B - Casas, Jordan 2B - Grissom, Hamilton, Yorke 3B - Devers, Meidroth SS - Story, Meyer LF - Duran, Lugo, Campbell CF - Rafaela RF - Abreu, Anthony DH - Yoshida Bench Catcher - McGuire Bench OF - Refsnyder Bench Middle IF - Gonzalez Bench Corner IF - tbd Some of the roster crunch will sort itself out in various ways, but of the 18 players listed in the starting spots above all of them are contracted to be around through at least 2027. Of that 18, only Story and Yoshida won't be around in 2028. You absolutely have to trade some of these guys eventually, so making a trade at the deadline this year for a pitcher shouldn't present any practical problem. I think everyone does account for the roster crunch including all those in the FO. But this is a next season problem at the earliest and frankly names like Yorke, Meidroth and Lugo will likely be moved in the near future anyways. No need to purge the farm of all the top names for the sake of getting say Crochet at this year’s deadline. EDIT: I think also the minor league depth chart for this season needs consideration too. Who’s gonna take Meidroth’s spot if he’s moved? Ok Mayer steps in, but then who takes Mayer’s spot? Then who’s taking the spot of Mayer’s replacement in Greenville? All of these moves have trickle down consequences on team and individual performance development if you trade too much depth mid season. This is why it’s better to move most pieces in the offseason so you can better find available replacements for them.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 18, 2024 1:02:56 GMT -5
nypost.com/2024/07/16/sports/unsolved-mlb-mysteries-as-trade-deadline-approaches/Sherman floats the possibility that Adolis Garcia could be available if the Rangers tank after their first couple series (which would be an incredible accomplishment given they have a 4 game set w/ the White Sox in that time). Anyways, intriguing. Certainly a match of a RHH power bat that’s been spoken about frequently. Him and Eovaldi would be quite the haul. Probably would cost you Wilyer, Campbell and Sandlin though — a steep price. However, I can’t say I wouldn’t seriously consider it. EDIT: looking @ Garcia’s peripheral stats, I’m a little more cooler on him. Still think he would be a good get, but trading both Wilyer & Campbell in this package might be a little too generous.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 18, 2024 2:13:49 GMT -5
Kudos to the people who have disagreed with each other civilly.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2024 6:23:13 GMT -5
I don't think everyone is taking into account the roster crunch that is likely to happen in the near future. Just counting the players on the current roster plus the top 20 prospects who probably start 2025 in the AAA lineup you have: C - Wong, Teel 1B - Casas, Jordan 2B - Grissom, Hamilton, Yorke 3B - Devers, Meidroth SS - Story, Meyer LF - Duran, Lugo, Campbell CF - Rafaela RF - Abreu, Anthony DH - Yoshida Bench Catcher - McGuire Bench OF - Refsnyder Bench Middle IF - Gonzalez Bench Corner IF - tbd Some of the roster crunch will sort itself out in various ways, but of the 18 players listed in the starting spots above all of them are contracted to be around through at least 2027. Of that 18, only Story and Yoshida won't be around in 2028. You absolutely have to trade some of these guys eventually, so making a trade at the deadline this year for a pitcher shouldn't present any practical problem. I think everyone does account for the roster crunch including all those in the FO. But this is a next season problem at the earliest and frankly names like Yorke, Meidroth and Lugo will likely be moved in the near future anyways. No need to purge the farm of all the top names for the sake of getting say Crochet at this year’s deadline. EDIT: I think also the minor league depth chart for this season needs consideration too. Who’s gonna take Meidroth’s spot if he’s moved? Ok Mayer steps in, but then who takes Mayer’s spot? Then who’s taking the spot of Mayer’s replacement in Greenville? All of these moves have trickle down consequences on team and individual performance development if you trade too much depth mid season. This is why it’s better to move most pieces in the offseason so you can better find available replacements for them. It'll work itself out. They have to sort out their talent, figure out who they want to keep and trade from the surplus. They have 5 guys vying for 2b. My guess is Hamilton winds up platooning with Grissom this season before settling into a middle infield utility role asxGrissom shows usxwho he is in 25. That leaves Valdez, Campbell and Yorke as trade bait. Valdez has a little bit of value but not exactly a ton. Yorke is prime trade bait in my opinion, or I dont think Bresloe would have dealt Yorke. Campbell could very well get moved although I hope they dont. I think whether he plays 2b or moves around he could be a RH bat that eventually takes the role O'Neill has and could wind up moving around defensively and it would drop others guys into a DH rotation. I think that one of Meidroth or Lugo stays as a reserve down the road and the other gets dealt, although both could go, as theyd be attractive to other teams. The Sox have attractive 6 - 20 ranked pieces in their system that I think they could help themselves without touching their top 5 (which is the big 3, Campbell and soon Montgomery in my opinion) I dont think the moves they make need to be huge, but just large enough to help. I don't see them getting that young ace everybody talks about, nor do I think the cost would be worth it unless it were coming from the inventory I talked about but it wouldn't. That would require trading from the top 5 which I personally wouldn't do. That said there's plenty of guys in this roster crunch you can use as chips to improve the team and still keep to help the club in the future.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 18, 2024 6:51:45 GMT -5
The thing about "roster crunches" is they almost always have a way of working themselves out. Whether that's through trades or the more unfortunate thing of guys just not panning out so frankly I am not at all worried about any roster crunch. Even if somehow the "crunch" doesn't work itself out, most of these guys still have options and can just stay in the minors as the next man up when there are inevitably injuries. Not a bad problem to have!
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jul 18, 2024 8:59:01 GMT -5
I think roster crunches are less important than just the overall strength of the system. I understand why every Red Sox fans wants to hold on to the best prospects in the system, but having a strong farm isn't only important because of the guys that play for you, it's also important because it allows you alternative ways to upgrade your organization. In the alternate universe where Roman Anthony never broke out, but everything else is the same, Breslow should be less inclined to deal from the system.
The better your farm is, the more willing you should be to part with talent. And the farm is really good right now.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 18, 2024 9:51:53 GMT -5
I'm listening to the people who are cool on Crochet. The guy's a ticking time bomb, especially this season and I thought he was controlled for more than two extra years. Considering what the asking price will likely be, I'm also looking elsewhere.
For the rotation, I'm still on Bassitt if TOR will move him. Of course they're saying they're only moving rentals but how many times can they go back to their current well and expect water to suddenly appear? There are other SPs out there but none as remarkably consistent as Bassitt. A Bassitt/Vladdy exacta would be amazing (sorry, Masa).
The bigger elsewhere for me is the bullpen, where the top two tiers of available arms are Scott (MIA) and Finnegan (WAS) on one tier and far above them, there is Mason Miller. If there's one guy that I would move a Big 3 prospect for, it's Miller. I would go MM for MM. It would likely take a bit more than Marcelo to land Mason but I'm willing to explore.
Re: Marcelo, it might be time to sell high on him. He's still an easy top-50 guy nationally but he's come down from his top-20 peak. He's not hitting LHP in AA and while he figures to stay at SS for a while, it's not an eye-popping, GG projection. He's still got a very high floor, which I'm not discounting. There are other SS in the system, both above him and below, so you're not robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Speaking of Paul, er, Mason, he’s got lots of control (thru 2029) and is a slam-dunk closer, already an all-star (and acquitted himself just fine). A monster. He and Slaten, along with Kelly and maybe Mata, could form a nice core for the foreseeable future. Yes, RPs are notoriously fickle but there are also guys like Jansen who endure. I like Miller to endure. For this year’s stretch run you’re looking at a bullpen of:
Miller Jansen Martin Slaten Bernardino Kelly Winckowski Mata* Hendriks*
(Asterisks represent uncertainty with the last two guys due to injury and rust -- it's basically one of those two if everyone is healthy.) You can fill in with guys like Weissert, Booser, Anderson, Horn, etc., but not have to depend on any of them. That's a deep pen. Rare is the team that makes a deep run without a strong bullpen. Adding Miller takes us from strong to lights-out.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 18, 2024 9:56:03 GMT -5
I'm listening to the people who are cool on Crochet. The guy's a ticking time bomb, especially this season and I thought he was controlled for more than two extra years. Considering what the asking price will likely be, I'm also looking elsewhere. For the rotation, I'm still on Bassitt if TOR will move him. Of course they're saying they're only moving rentals but how many times can they go back to their current well and expect water to suddenly appear? There are other SPs out there but none as remarkably consistent as Bassitt. A Bassitt/Vladdy exacta would be amazing (sorry, Masa). The bigger elsewhere for me is the bullpen, where the top two tiers of available arms are Scott (MIA) and Finnegan (WAS) on one tier and far above them, there is Mason Miller. If there's one guy that I would move a Big 3 prospect for, it's Miller. I would go MM for MM. It would likely take a bit more than Marcelo to land Mason but I'm willing to explore. Re: Marcelo, it might be time to sell high on him. He's still an easy top-50 guy nationally but he's come down from his top-20 peak. He's not hitting LHP in AA and while he figures to stay at SS for a while, it's not an eye-popping, GG projection. He's still got a very high floor, which I'm not discounting. There are other SS in the system, both above him and below, so you're not robbing Peter to pay Paul. Speaking of Paul, er, Mason, he’s got lots of control (thru 2029) and is a slam-dunk closer, already an all-star (and acquitted himself just fine). A monster. He and Slaten, along with Kelly and maybe Mata, could form a nice core for the foreseeable future. Yes, RPs are notoriously fickle but there are also guys like Jansen who endure. I like Miller to endure. For this year’s stretch run you’re looking at a bullpen of: Miller Jansen Martin Slaten Bernardino Kelly Winckowski Mata* Hendriks* (Asterisks represent uncertainty with the last two guys due to injury and rust -- it's basically one of those two if everyone is healthy.) You can fill in with guys like Weissert, Booser, Anderson, Horn, etc., but not have to depend on any of them. That's a deep pen. Rare is the team that makes a deep run without a strong bullpen. Adding Miller takes us from strong to lights-out. I don't believe that Mayer has come down from his top 20 peak at all. He's still ranked top 20 almost across the board outside of Fangraphs rankings which have always been lower on him. Even so, noway in heck I'm trading a top 50 prospect for a reliever. To me that's just terrible value.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 18, 2024 9:56:30 GMT -5
I'm listening to the people who are cool on Crochet. The guy's a ticking time bomb, especially this season and I thought he was controlled for more than two extra years. Considering what the asking price will likely be, I'm also looking elsewhere. For the rotation, I'm still on Bassitt if TOR will move him. Of course they're saying they're only moving rentals but how many times can they go back to their current well and expect water to suddenly appear? There are other SPs out there but none as remarkably consistent as Bassitt. A Bassitt/Vladdy exacta would be amazing (sorry, Masa). The bigger elsewhere for me is the bullpen, where the top two tiers of available arms are Scott (MIA) and Finnegan (WAS) on one tier and far above them, there is Mason Miller. If there's one guy that I would move a Big 3 prospect for, it's Miller. I would go MM for MM. It would likely take a bit more than Marcelo to land Mason but I'm willing to explore. Re: Marcelo, it might be time to sell high on him. He's still an easy top-50 guy nationally but he's come down from his top-20 peak. He's not hitting LHP in AA and while he figures to stay at SS for a while, it's not an eye-popping, GG projection. He's still got a very high floor, which I'm not discounting. There are other SS in the system, both above him and below, so you're not robbing Peter to pay Paul. Speaking of Paul, er, Mason, he’s got lots of control (thru 2029) and is a slam-dunk closer, already an all-star (and acquitted himself just fine). A monster. He and Slaten, along with Kelly and maybe Mata, could form a nice core for the foreseeable future. Yes, RPs are notoriously fickle but there are also guys like Jansen who endure. I like Miller to endure. For this year’s stretch run you’re looking at a bullpen of: Miller Jansen Martin Slaten Bernardino Kelly Winckowski Mata* Hendriks* (Asterisks represent uncertainty with the last two guys due to injury and rust -- it's basically one of those two if everyone is healthy.) You can fill in with guys like Weissert, Booser, Anderson, Horn, etc., but not have to depend on any of them. That's a deep pen. Rare is the team that makes a deep run without a strong bullpen. Adding Miller takes us from strong to lights-out. There is a ZERO POINT ZERO ZERO ZERO percent chance the Blue Jays would trade Bassitt AND Vladdy in the division. Their fans would revolt.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 18, 2024 10:08:56 GMT -5
I'm listening to the people who are cool on Crochet. The guy's a ticking time bomb, especially this season and I thought he was controlled for more than two extra years. Considering what the asking price will likely be, I'm also looking elsewhere. For the rotation, I'm still on Bassitt if TOR will move him. Of course they're saying they're only moving rentals but how many times can they go back to their current well and expect water to suddenly appear? There are other SPs out there but none as remarkably consistent as Bassitt. A Bassitt/Vladdy exacta would be amazing (sorry, Masa). The bigger elsewhere for me is the bullpen, where the top two tiers of available arms are Scott (MIA) and Finnegan (WAS) on one tier and far above them, there is Mason Miller. If there's one guy that I would move a Big 3 prospect for, it's Miller. I would go MM for MM. It would likely take a bit more than Marcelo to land Mason but I'm willing to explore. Re: Marcelo, it might be time to sell high on him. He's still an easy top-50 guy nationally but he's come down from his top-20 peak. He's not hitting LHP in AA and while he figures to stay at SS for a while, it's not an eye-popping, GG projection. He's still got a very high floor, which I'm not discounting. There are other SS in the system, both above him and below, so you're not robbing Peter to pay Paul. Speaking of Paul, er, Mason, he’s got lots of control (thru 2029) and is a slam-dunk closer, already an all-star (and acquitted himself just fine). A monster. He and Slaten, along with Kelly and maybe Mata, could form a nice core for the foreseeable future. Yes, RPs are notoriously fickle but there are also guys like Jansen who endure. I like Miller to endure. For this year’s stretch run you’re looking at a bullpen of: Miller Jansen Martin Slaten Bernardino Kelly Winckowski Mata* Hendriks* (Asterisks represent uncertainty with the last two guys due to injury and rust -- it's basically one of those two if everyone is healthy.) You can fill in with guys like Weissert, Booser, Anderson, Horn, etc., but not have to depend on any of them. That's a deep pen. Rare is the team that makes a deep run without a strong bullpen. Adding Miller takes us from strong to lights-out. I don't believe that Mayer has come down from his top 20 peak at all. He's still ranked top 20 almost across the board outside of Fangraphs rankings which have always been lower on him. Even so, noway in heck I'm trading a top 50 prospect for a reliever. To me that's just terrible value. Baseball Prospectus has dropped him from the teens to 32. It is what it is. Do you think he's more likely to rise or fall in the next year plus? Prolly stay the same but if you want to get something, you have to give something. Also, if Mason Miller is "a reliever," then I agree. I just don't think he's "a reliever." Perennial top-shelf closers exist and have existed for many years and are very valuable to contending teams.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 18, 2024 10:12:01 GMT -5
I'm listening to the people who are cool on Crochet. The guy's a ticking time bomb, especially this season and I thought he was controlled for more than two extra years. Considering what the asking price will likely be, I'm also looking elsewhere. For the rotation, I'm still on Bassitt if TOR will move him. Of course they're saying they're only moving rentals but how many times can they go back to their current well and expect water to suddenly appear? There are other SPs out there but none as remarkably consistent as Bassitt. A Bassitt/Vladdy exacta would be amazing (sorry, Masa). The bigger elsewhere for me is the bullpen, where the top two tiers of available arms are Scott (MIA) and Finnegan (WAS) on one tier and far above them, there is Mason Miller. If there's one guy that I would move a Big 3 prospect for, it's Miller. I would go MM for MM. It would likely take a bit more than Marcelo to land Mason but I'm willing to explore. Re: Marcelo, it might be time to sell high on him. He's still an easy top-50 guy nationally but he's come down from his top-20 peak. He's not hitting LHP in AA and while he figures to stay at SS for a while, it's not an eye-popping, GG projection. He's still got a very high floor, which I'm not discounting. There are other SS in the system, both above him and below, so you're not robbing Peter to pay Paul. Speaking of Paul, er, Mason, he’s got lots of control (thru 2029) and is a slam-dunk closer, already an all-star (and acquitted himself just fine). A monster. He and Slaten, along with Kelly and maybe Mata, could form a nice core for the foreseeable future. Yes, RPs are notoriously fickle but there are also guys like Jansen who endure. I like Miller to endure. For this year’s stretch run you’re looking at a bullpen of: Miller Jansen Martin Slaten Bernardino Kelly Winckowski Mata* Hendriks* (Asterisks represent uncertainty with the last two guys due to injury and rust -- it's basically one of those two if everyone is healthy.) You can fill in with guys like Weissert, Booser, Anderson, Horn, etc., but not have to depend on any of them. That's a deep pen. Rare is the team that makes a deep run without a strong bullpen. Adding Miller takes us from strong to lights-out. There is a ZERO POINT ZERO ZERO ZERO percent chance the Blue Jays would trade Bassitt AND Vladdy in the division. Their fans would revolt. I get it but from their side, it's only a year and change that they have to play against them in the division. Obviously, BOS would need to give up some pretty interesting prospects, which means that it would be TOR who would be more likely to have the last laugh, in terms of their players tormenting BOS in the future. But yes, to the casual fan, it would be a headline grabber.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 18, 2024 10:19:49 GMT -5
Sox could potentially try and buy low on Bo Bichette. He’s really fallen off a cliff, given that he would probably not cost any of the top 3 prospects, he’d make sense. Move Devers to DH. Might be good
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 18, 2024 10:22:00 GMT -5
I don't believe that Mayer has come down from his top 20 peak at all. He's still ranked top 20 almost across the board outside of Fangraphs rankings which have always been lower on him. Even so, noway in heck I'm trading a top 50 prospect for a reliever. To me that's just terrible value. Baseball Prospectus has dropped him from the teens to 32. It is what it is. Do you think he's more likely to rise or fall in the next year plus? Prolly stay the same but if you want to get something, you have to give something. Also, if Mason Miller is "a reliever," then I agree. I just don't think he's "a reliever." Perennial top-shelf closers exist and have existed for many years and are very valuable to contending teams. and MLB pipeline moved him up to 7 so yea perhaps it's a little spread out and to each their own but still I'm not trading a potential impact everyday top 50 ranked prospect in AA who by most reports is going to be up in AAA very soon for a reliever. To me that is awful value. Is a closing pitcher not a relief pitcher? There are other cheaper avenues to acquire a good closing pitcher. Not to mention Miller has health questions.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 18, 2024 10:54:58 GMT -5
I don't believe that Mayer has come down from his top 20 peak at all. He's still ranked top 20 almost across the board outside of Fangraphs rankings which have always been lower on him. Even so, noway in heck I'm trading a top 50 prospect for a reliever. To me that's just terrible value. Baseball Prospectus has dropped him from the teens to 32. It is what it is. Do you think he's more likely to rise or fall in the next year plus? Prolly stay the same but if you want to get something, you have to give something. Also, if Mason Miller is "a reliever," then I agree. I just don't think he's "a reliever." Perennial top-shelf closers exist and have existed for many years and are very valuable to contending teams. BP's drop to 32 was before the year coming off his injured/down 2023 season. They just released their midseason update yesterday but I'm not a subscriber, does anyone know where Mayer placed in that one?
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Post by asm18 on Jul 18, 2024 10:58:51 GMT -5
Wait… Marcelo Mayer is like 5 seconds away from AAA, and could feasibly be on the big league team to start next year with a good spring training - and we’re talking him about trading him NOW?
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jul 18, 2024 11:01:46 GMT -5
I kind of wonder what the trade value of Crochet actually is.
I read that the white Sox were asking for Spencer Jones OR a top pitching prospect from the Yankees, which, lol, and I've also ready that it's Juan Soto redux.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jul 18, 2024 11:03:04 GMT -5
Baseball Prospectus has dropped him from the teens to 32. It is what it is. Do you think he's more likely to rise or fall in the next year plus? Prolly stay the same but if you want to get something, you have to give something. Also, if Mason Miller is "a reliever," then I agree. I just don't think he's "a reliever." Perennial top-shelf closers exist and have existed for many years and are very valuable to contending teams. BP's drop to 32 was before the year coming off his injured/down 2023 season. They just released their midseason update yesterday but I'm not a subscriber, does anyone know where Mayer placed in that one? They moved him up to 15. The knocks on him are mostly the same: swing and miss on offspeed and questions around his SS D. They also said he might wind up at 2B which seems extremely unlikely to me. But yeah trading him just makes zero sense to me at this point.
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