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Post by incandenza on Jul 20, 2024 10:15:19 GMT -5
I missed the news that Casas is going to be out until "August or September." That does make me slightly interested in Turner *if* he's brought in as a pretty strict platoon option at 1B. But I would worry about Cora overusing him, as he tends to do with his favorites; I don't want him taking PAs away from Yoshida/Refsnyder at DH. I also never quite have the cognitive bandwidth to figure out roster management issues and I'm not sure if carrying both Smith and Turner to play 1B is really viable so that might be an issue.
(Yoshida's line against lefties was mentioned... I wouldn't put much stock in that. It's SSS and he has not historically had much of a L/R split, either last season or in Japan.)
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 10:39:25 GMT -5
I think because they don’t want to acquire Justin Turner to DFA him in three weeks when they want to call Grissom up. They could DFA Smith instead but I don’t know that they’d want to rely on Turner as the primary 1B Canha is more interesting to me but still has some of the same challenges I mean Romy still has a minor league option - could send him down if Grissom is healthy and back up when the rosters expand to 28. There’s ways around it in the best case scenario where every one is back and healthy and no one else goes down Romy is their only guy who can play 3rd other than Devers. Turner can’t really cut it there any more. Are they gonna trade for him and not put him on the playoff roster? I dunno I guess if they are able to get a lotto prospect attached it’d be interesting to do it for the prospect and the vibes, but I just don’t really see much on field value
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 20, 2024 10:59:39 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed at how this thread never has links to articles or tweets. There's almost no reporting on the trade deadline anymore. Nobody even strategically leaks anything. Had made the deadline and this thread very boring. I still check it multiple times a day though.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 11:18:08 GMT -5
Cora was quoted yesterday that “it will be a while” before Casas is back. You have to think the FO *must* trade for some kind of 1B RHH bat now.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 20, 2024 11:18:22 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed at how this thread never has links to articles or tweets. There's almost no reporting on the trade deadline anymore. Nobody even strategically leaks anything. I've cited this Nightengale link a couple times but not posted it. It was linked in the SNY article that @sabres posted (about CHW insisting on MFY including Spencer Jones in any Crochet trade proposal). You have to scroll to the bottom of the article for the deadline chatter. My guess is that he updates that section every Sunday. Otherwise, I think the deadline talk will start to heat up more generally as the first series out of the break solidifies various teams' stances as purchasers vs. vendors. For the past couple weeks talk has understandably centered on the All-Star game. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/07/14/mlb-draft-top-prospects-family-picks/74397044007/
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 11:22:33 GMT -5
I think Canha is my guy. Paredes or Diaz from the Rays are interesting too but I think probably would cost more than I’d want to pay.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 11:27:07 GMT -5
I think Canha is my guy. Paredes or Diaz from the Rays are interesting too but I think probably would cost more than I’d want to pay. I think Canha is the most logical move. Playing well against LHP and would only cost you a couple of minor league wildcards.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 20, 2024 11:40:22 GMT -5
Would agree with this. If Casas and Grissom were both healthy you probably don’t really need a position player move with Dom Smith -> Casas and Westbrook -> Grissom (unless you really want to upgrade on Romy Gonzalez). The issue is I just don’t think you can bank on them right now. Casas is “far off” from a rehab assignment and Grissom while about to start his has been injured with lower body injuries over and over since the winter, and hasn’t played well when healthy. If the cost of a Justin Turner or Mark Cahna or what not is basically minimal… why not just do it I think because they don’t want to acquire Justin Turner to DFA him in three weeks when they want to call Grissom up. They could DFA Smith instead but I don’t know that they’d want to rely on Turner as the primary 1B Canha is more interesting to me but still has some of the same challenges Frankly I think Grissom needs about 100 ABs or so in Worcester. Is he even playing yet? This has been his issue all season. He's been injured and rushed into playing with no real spring training. I think he needs a good twenty to twenty five games down in AAA to get his feet under him. They can figure out the roster logistics. They need a RH bat that can handle left handed pitching. The need, whether it's Turner or somebody else, is glaringly obvious, particularly one that can handle 1b. Canha is interesting but can he play 1b? Ideally it would be somebody who can hit enough who can relegate Smith to being a bench player.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 20, 2024 11:41:49 GMT -5
I don't see a Turner reunion happening. He practically begged to come back in the off-season and got the cold shoulder from the new FO. He's also a year older, along with his stats.
Maybe I'm coloring it with my own personal bias (no, not against redheads) but I'm just not a reunion guy, especially from last-place clubs. It seemed like half the board this winter was assuming that Turner and Duvall and others would and should be back. There were a lot of departing FAs last winter and I think the only one they brought back was Joely. I was glad they opted for new blood and gave prospects the chance to win jobs.
I get that Turner was a good guy in the clubhouse and that's nice but this year's clubhouse doesn't seem like it has a vacuum that it desperately needs to fill. Any guy they bring in will fit in fine if they keep winning. On the field, I'd rather see a bigger upgrade than Turner but with Vladdy off the market, there's not a lot out there at that position. Maybe there's a younger RHH who has some control left and can play more than just 1B... If only Bobby D could find a bat without so many holes in it.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 11:44:05 GMT -5
I think because they don’t want to acquire Justin Turner to DFA him in three weeks when they want to call Grissom up. They could DFA Smith instead but I don’t know that they’d want to rely on Turner as the primary 1B Canha is more interesting to me but still has some of the same challenges Frankly I think Grissom needs about 100 ABs or so in Worcester. Is he even playing yet? This has been his issue all season. He's been injured and rushed into playing with no real spring training. I think he needs a good twenty to twenty five games down in AAA to get his feet under him. They can figure out the roster logistics. They need a RH bat that can handle left handed pitching. The need, whether it's Turner or somebody else, is glaringly obvious, particularly one that can handle 1b. Canha is interesting but can he play 1b? Ideally it would be somebody who can hit enough who can relegate Smith to being a bench player. Yeah, Canha can man 1B and seems to be decent over there.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 20, 2024 11:48:27 GMT -5
Canha has a great April, but man, what has happened since. He ranks 250th/255 players in quality of contact since the start of May.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 11:50:27 GMT -5
Canha has a great April, but man, what has happened since. He ranks 250th/255 players in quality of contact since the start of May. Oooof a heartbreaker Stats comment. Would love to see y’all do a search and analysis of RHH 1B that might be available.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 11:56:01 GMT -5
I think because they don’t want to acquire Justin Turner to DFA him in three weeks when they want to call Grissom up. They could DFA Smith instead but I don’t know that they’d want to rely on Turner as the primary 1B Canha is more interesting to me but still has some of the same challenges Frankly I think Grissom needs about 100 ABs or so in Worcester. Is he even playing yet? This has been his issue all season. He's been injured and rushed into playing with no real spring training. I think he needs a good twenty to twenty five games down in AAA to get his feet under him. They can figure out the roster logistics. They need a RH bat that can handle left handed pitching. The need, whether it's Turner or somebody else, is glaringly obvious, particularly one that can handle 1b. Canha is interesting but can he play 1b? Ideally it would be somebody who can hit enough who can relegate Smith to being a bench player. Grissom’s rehab assignment starts today and can be 20 days long. If that’s how long you think he needs that puts him at 9 days after the deadline. As for 1B, Canha’s played more there than Turner this year. I don’t think Turner is a good bet as a full time defensive player any more
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 11:58:33 GMT -5
Canha has a great April, but man, what has happened since. He ranks 250th/255 players in quality of contact since the start of May. Well that’s not ideal. I still think I’d prefer him to Turner, but that puts me closer towards preferring neither.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 20, 2024 12:01:37 GMT -5
Canha: another guy with a 99 wRC+. He also has very slight reverse splits for his career.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 12:06:10 GMT -5
Canha has a great April, but man, what has happened since. He ranks 250th/255 players in quality of contact since the start of May. Well that’s not ideal. I still think I’d prefer him to Turner, but that puts me closer towards preferring neither. This is tough. Only truly available RHH 1B would be Josh Bell & Jake Burger I think and neither of those are particularly attractive options.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 12:07:09 GMT -5
Canha: another guy with a 99 wRC+. He also has very slight reverse splits for his career. Should be noted though he’s having the most success this year against LHP and it’s pretty robust.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 12:12:01 GMT -5
Canha: another guy with a 99 wRC+. He also has very slight reverse splits for his career. ZiPS projects him for 118 the rest of the way and he’s had normal splits the last two years and even 99 is still better than Smith. The xwOBA being way down is concerning though. If the Cardinals sell there’s Goldschmidt (who also has the exact same concerns but a better track record and higher projections than Turner or Canha). If the Dbacks sell there’s Christian Walker who is very good but maybe an expensive rental and still a tough fit on a post season roster if Casas comes back. Also he doesn’t really have platoon splits .
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 12:17:55 GMT -5
Canha: another guy with a 99 wRC+. He also has very slight reverse splits for his career. ZiPS projects him for 118 the rest of the way and he’s had normal splits the last two years and even 99 is still better than Smith. The xwOBA being way down is concerning though. If the Cardinals sell there’s Goldschmidt (who also has the exact same concerns but a better track record and higher projections than Turner or Canha). If the Dbacks sell there’s Christian Walker who is very good but maybe an expensive rental and still a tough fit on a post season roster if Casas comes back. Also he doesn’t really have platoon splits . Walker would be the most ideal and would be the true “we’re going for it” move. But yeah, I don’t think they’re gonna sell and if they do, he’s likely going to cost a pretty hefty package, rental or not. I was doing some searching and maybe Juan Yepez of the Nationals might be a match? He does have 4 years of control left though and therefore would not be cheap.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 20, 2024 12:18:39 GMT -5
Canha has a great April, but man, what has happened since. He ranks 250th/255 players in quality of contact since the start of May. Oooof a heartbreaker Stats comment. Would love to see y’all do a search and analysis of RHH 1B that might be available. Beyond JT and Cahna, like… Gio Urshela (DET) or Brandon Drury (LAA)? Urshela has been… meh? And Drury has been hurt/bad. Scouring RosterResource there’s not a lot: www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/red-soxA lot of the more fun options either cost way more than is probably worth to address the concern (Paredes, Yandy Diaz?) or likely aren’t available (Christian Walker?). But I also don’t know that it needs to be a big move. Just some extra help vs left handed pitching and some insurance against a setback for Casas/Grissom
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jul 20, 2024 12:19:08 GMT -5
Would obviously cost but..rooker would be a great addition.
Granted he doesn't really have much versatility (if any?) BUT..he'd fix the RHH issue and than some.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 12:28:41 GMT -5
This would be very outside of the box, but maybe Jacob Stallings could be a match? Sure, he’s a catcher, but we all know catchers can more easily make the transition to 1B. He’s also demolishing LHP at a clip of 1.049 OPS and is a free agent after this season so likely wouldn’t take too much to pry from the Rockies.
EDIT: One other option might be David Bote of the Cubs? He has a team friendly deal with 2 team options after this season so again might not be cheap, but can play 1B, 2B and 3B and has hit well against LHP this season (albeit a very limited sample).
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 12:40:50 GMT -5
I wouldn’t mind Connor Joe from the Pirates, but I have a hard time seeing the teams lining up on acquisition cost
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 12:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 14:00:28 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll slow my roll after this (Casas news has me panicked), but looking at Juan Yepez peripherals, this should be the dude Craig should go get. Probably will cost you Blaze Jordan, Chase Meidroth and maybe a wildcard pitcher, but he seems totally worth a guy you want around for the next 3 seasons off the bench/platooning.
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