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Post by texs31 on Jul 23, 2024 9:53:22 GMT -5
Add Paxton, trade for T.Scott and call it a deadline? Scott was just the only "swing and miss" lefty reliever I could think of, there are probably others. Also not saying I want to get in a bidding war for T.Scott. He might end up being pretty pricey for a rental. The article above mentions Nardi, Clevinger and Chafin. Have heard Puk mentioned as a candidate as well.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 23, 2024 9:54:38 GMT -5
Oh no we're going to trade Nick Yorke for 12 innings of a middle reliever for public relations
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 23, 2024 9:55:15 GMT -5
Add Paxton, trade for T.Scott and call it a deadline? Scott was just the only "swing and miss" lefty reliever I could think of, there are probably others. Also not saying I want to get in a bidding war for T.Scott. He might end up being pretty pricey for a rental. The article above mentions Nardi, Clevinger and Chafin. Have heard Puk mentioned as a candidate as well. Makes sense, thank you for pointing that out. I'll be honest I was too lazy to read the article so that's on me.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 23, 2024 9:57:04 GMT -5
Oh no we're going to trade Nick Yorke for 12 innings of a middle reliever for public relations This is the type of fear I do have in regards to making a deal at the deadline for a reliever. If it's one with a little bit of control left then I could probably talk myself into it but yes if they trade a guy like Yorke or even a Lugo for 10~ innings then I would be pretty annoyed.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jul 23, 2024 10:01:48 GMT -5
Add Paxton, trade for T.Scott and call it a deadline? Scott was just the only "swing and miss" lefty reliever I could think of, there are probably others. Also not saying I want to get in a bidding war for T.Scott. He might end up being pretty pricey for a rental. I go back and forth on this a lot but I've started to lean just getting a shutdown lefty reliever. Then you just hope that everyone can get healthy.
If the price of another starter is crazy I don't hate the idea of going the shutdown bullpen route.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 23, 2024 10:05:57 GMT -5
Oh no we're going to trade Nick Yorke for 12 innings of a middle reliever for public relations if they want a PR move that won’t move the needle please god let them just get Justin Turner for free
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 23, 2024 10:10:24 GMT -5
Oh no we're going to trade Nick Yorke for 12 innings of a middle reliever for public relations if they want a PR move that won’t move the needle please god let them just get Justin Turner for free This is one of the reasons I am coming around on the idea of taking Paxton back. I'd imagine they could jump the waivers and just give the Dodgers a PTBNL/cash considerations, so in essence nothing and it might placate some fans by saying hey we did something.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 23, 2024 10:13:04 GMT -5
Oh no we're going to trade Nick Yorke for 12 innings of a middle reliever for public relations if they want a PR move that won’t move the needle please god let them just get Justin Turner for free James Paxton and Justin Turner for nothing - maybe go see if the Braves will move Adam Duvall and we can party like it’s 2023! I do wonder what Paxton would be looking for in a team - would imagine between a theoretical open rotation spot (they don’t seem to trust Criswell fairly or not), familiarity with Boston, and Andrew Bailey that coming back would make sense for him to see if he can have a few good months ahead of another free agency. We shall see
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 23, 2024 10:14:30 GMT -5
I know this is a prospect site but you have to be willing to trade anyone outside the top 5.
There is no scenario where there is room for all of Yorke, Lugo, Meyer, Campbell, Anthony, Abreu, Rafaela, Duran, Meidroth, Hamilton, Story, Grissom
More than willing to trade Abreu, Lugo, Yorke, Hamilton and Meidroth from that group
You don’t be stupid about it but also good to trade for excess while that excess has value
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Post by incandenza on Jul 23, 2024 10:17:41 GMT -5
If the team is literally the best in baseball for close to two months, and then goes 0-4 instead of 2-2 in four games, and that alone changes the trade deadline approach and long term strategy, then this organization has much, much bigger problems than an 8th inning RHP. It's not that the team revealed themselves to be fundamentally worse or more undeserving by going 0-4 rather than 2-2, it's that they lost two additional games when they're right on the cusp of a wild card. Instead of being in the third wild card spot they're 2 games out. Instead of ~50% playoff odds they're at ~33%.
YMMV, but for me that's the difference between being open to a significant addition, like a mid-tier starting pitcher, and preferring to just noodle around the edges.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 23, 2024 10:18:46 GMT -5
Trading players is fine, but you don't trade Yorke for a middle relief rental arm. And they won't do that (they better not).
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 23, 2024 10:24:00 GMT -5
I know this is a prospect site but you have to be willing to trade anyone outside the top 5. There is no scenario where there is room for all of Yorke, Lugo, Meyer, Campbell, Anthony, Abreu, Rafaela, Duran, Meidroth, Hamilton, Story, Grissom More than willing to trade Abreu, Lugo, Yorke, Hamilton and Meidroth from that group You don’t be stupid about it but also good to trade for excess while that excess has value You do have to be willing to trade prospects but you don’t necessarily have to do it right now and you never have to do it for a relief pitcher
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Jul 23, 2024 10:30:12 GMT -5
The Cubs officially being sellers could make them a good trade partner. I would not touch Taillon as I don't think he's any better than what we have already in the rotation. Steele is the cubs pitcher Breslow should target. He comes with 3 years of control beyond this season and fills the need for a top of the rotation starter. Maybe you loop in a buy low on a guy like Alzolay to help the pen as well.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 23, 2024 10:33:55 GMT -5
I know this is a prospect site but you have to be willing to trade anyone outside the top 5. There is no scenario where there is room for all of Yorke, Lugo, Meyer, Campbell, Anthony, Abreu, Rafaela, Duran, Meidroth, Hamilton, Story, Grissom More than willing to trade Abreu, Lugo, Yorke, Hamilton and Meidroth from that group You don’t be stupid about it but also good to trade for excess while that excess has value Took a crack at grouping prospects based on willingness (and under what scenario) to trade. I looked only at current SP Top 20 (so, for that and other reasons, no 24 draftees) Blockbuster only (hate "untradeable" but this is as close as it gets): Roman Anthony (SP 1) Marcelo Mayer (SP 2) Kyle Teel (SP 3) Injured so unlikely: Luis Perales (SP 6) Yoeilin Cespedes (SP 7) Johanfran Garcia (SP 18) Probably not available outside of a blockbuster (I think of these guys as having too much variance between present and future value to believe we'd get comparable return): Miguel Bleis (SP 4) David Sandlin (SP 9) Nazzan Zanetello (SP 10) - If you want him in a more tradeable tier, I probably won't argue Franklin Arias (SP 14) - If I can only keep 1 of NZ and FA in this tier, I'm keeping Arias. Leading Candidates (those NOT eligible for Rule 5 this offseason): Kristian Campbell (SP 5) - Can see why some want him in the first tier but if a young controllable player is available, he's at the top of the trade candidate list Chase Meidroth (SP 11) - Can see him having a decent major league career but probably not as a starter here Rule 5 Eligible (not giving them away but they won't all be on the 40 next year . . . right?): Richard Fitts (SP 8) - At the top of the "if you want a pitcher, you might have to trade one" list Nick Yorke (SP 12) Matthew Lugo (SP 13) Eddinson Paulino (SP 15) Allan Castro (SP 17) Blaze Jordan (SP 19) Wikelman Gonzalez (SP 20) - Already on 40 Elmer Rodriguez (SP 16) is the toughest to categorize for me. He kinda fits in between Fitts and Sandlin in terms of my willingness to trade him. But is the Pitching Lab turning him into something more than what we thought?
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jul 23, 2024 10:37:22 GMT -5
The Cubs officially being sellers could make them a good trade partner. I would not touch Taillon as I don't think he's any better than what we have already in the rotation. Steele is the cubs pitcher Breslow should target. He comes with 3 years of control beyond this season and fills the need for a top of the rotation starter. Maybe you loop in a buy low on a guy like Alzolay to help the pen as well. I would give up a ton for Steele but I cannot imagine the Cubs trading him.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 23, 2024 10:37:58 GMT -5
I know this is a prospect site but you have to be willing to trade anyone outside the top 5. There is no scenario where there is room for all of Yorke, Lugo, Meyer, Campbell, Anthony, Abreu, Rafaela, Duran, Meidroth, Hamilton, Story, Grissom More than willing to trade Abreu, Lugo, Yorke, Hamilton and Meidroth from that group You don’t be stupid about it but also good to trade for excess while that excess has value You do have to be willing to trade prospects but you don’t necessarily have to do it right now and you never have to do it for a relief pitcher Oh yeah for sure I didn’t see much context but in general it’s nonsensical to never trade anyone but yeah that’s why I mentioned don’t be stupid about it
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 23, 2024 10:38:28 GMT -5
I know this is a prospect site but you have to be willing to trade anyone outside the top 5. There is no scenario where there is room for all of Yorke, Lugo, Meyer, Campbell, Anthony, Abreu, Rafaela, Duran, Meidroth, Hamilton, Story, Grissom More than willing to trade Abreu, Lugo, Yorke, Hamilton and Meidroth from that group You don’t be stupid about it but also good to trade for excess while that excess has value Took a crack at grouping prospects based on willingness (and under what scenario) to trade. I looked only at current SP Top 20 (so, for that and other reasons, no 24 draftees) Blockbuster only (hate "untradeable" but this is as close as it gets): Roman Anthony (SP 1) Marcelo Mayer (SP 2) Kyle Teel (SP 3) Injured so unlikely: Luis Perales (SP 6) Yoeilin Cespedes (SP 7) Johanfran Garcia (SP 18) Probably not available outside of a blockbuster (I think of these guys as having too much variance between present and future value to believe we'd get comparable return): Miguel Bleis (SP 4) David Sandlin (SP 9) Nazzan Zanetello (SP 10) - If you want him in a more tradeable tier, I probably won't argue Franklin Arias (SP 14) - If I can only keep 1 of NZ and FA in this tier, I'm keeping Arias. Leading Candidates (those NOT eligible for Rule 5 this offseason): Kristian Campbell (SP 5) - Can see why some want him in the first tier but if a young controllable player is available, he's at the top of the trade candidate list Richard Fitts (SP 8) - At the top of the "if you want a pitcher, you might have to trade one" listChase Meidroth (SP 11) - Can see him having a decent major league career but probably not as a starter here Rule 5 Eligible (not giving them away but they won't all be on the 40 next year . . . right?): Nick Yorke (SP 12) Matthew Lugo (SP 13) Eddinson Paulino (SP 15) Allan Castro (SP 17) Blaze Jordan (SP 19) Wikelman Gonzalez (SP 20) - Already on 40 Elmer Rodriguez (SP 16) is the toughest to categorize for me. He kinda fits in between Fitts and Sandlin in terms of my willingness to trade him. But is the Pitching Lab turning him into something more than what we thought? The rest of your list aside, Fitts is eligible for the rule 5 this offseason.
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Post by costpet on Jul 23, 2024 10:39:40 GMT -5
I don't care about the Wild Card. That just gets you to the dance. Then what? Plough through the rest to get to the WS? Do you honestly think that could happen? With this pitching? It would be a mistake to give up some good future players for a chance to get into the playoffs, when there is virtually no way we go all the way. But, next year with all the studs in the system, that could happen. Sell a few pieces for some good minor league pitchers that can carry us far into the future. Then you'll have a team that is favored to win the Series every year. That's what I want. I don't want to be a Wild Card team. I want to be a Division leader every year.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 23, 2024 10:40:05 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 23, 2024 10:45:35 GMT -5
I don't care about the Wild Card. That just gets you to the dance. Then what? Plough through the rest to get to the WS? Do you honestly think that could happen? With this pitching? It would be a mistake to give up some good future players for a chance to get into the playoffs, when there is virtually no way we go all the way. But, next year with all the studs in the system, that could happen. Sell a few pieces for some good minor league pitchers that can carry us far into the future. Then you'll have a team that is favored to win the Series every year. That's what I want. I don't want to be a Wild Card team. I want to be a Division leader every year. These expectations are not grounded in reality, at all. The funniest thing about this is that you scoff at the idea that this team could get to the WS with its current pitching staff when this whole discussion is largely centered around improving the pitching staff.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 23, 2024 10:47:36 GMT -5
The Cubs officially being sellers could make them a good trade partner. I would not touch Taillon as I don't think he's any better than what we have already in the rotation. Steele is the cubs pitcher Breslow should target. He comes with 3 years of control beyond this season and fills the need for a top of the rotation starter. Maybe you loop in a buy low on a guy like Alzolay to help the pen as well. The fact that Breslow has history with the Cubs FO personnel may also come into play as it might facilitate a quicker and more productive negotiation. In addition to SP's Taillon & Steele, the Sox are rumored to be interested in a RH hitting (multi-position) player which could describe Nico Hoerner. They are also said to be interested in a swing-n-miss relief pitcher which could describe Hector Neris (although he is RH not LH)
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 23, 2024 10:54:43 GMT -5
I'm not seeing a great match between the Sox and Cubs on a trade. The Cubs are probably going to want to deal mostly contracts they don't want anymore or rentals and their rentals aren't too inspiring after a quick search.
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Post by briam on Jul 23, 2024 10:56:48 GMT -5
I think I’m firmly in the sell the rentals, only buy a premium controlled player OR a guy off the heap like Pham a few years ago mindset. Don’t have any interest in a rental to make a run this year.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jul 23, 2024 11:00:16 GMT -5
I am maybe in the minority but it seems to me the time to buy rentals is when you are on the bubble like the Sox are now, that is where you get the most bang for your buck. If they had a 99% chance of making the playoffs rentals don't make sense.
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Post by costpet on Jul 23, 2024 11:01:16 GMT -5
I hope we make the playoffs. Then I hope we beat the crap out of everyone else and win the WS. Reality says otherwise, but I can hope.
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