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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 24, 2024 18:44:17 GMT -5
I wonder if today's game makes him hesitate? Doubtful
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 24, 2024 18:45:59 GMT -5
I wonder if today's game makes him hesitate? The report came out at the end of today's game
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Post by costpet on Jul 24, 2024 18:53:13 GMT -5
I hope he holds off until after the MFY series. It's not worth trading our stud prospects for the slim chance of making the playoffs, then falter there.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 24, 2024 18:55:10 GMT -5
I hope he holds off until after the MFY series. It's not worth trading our stud prospects for the slim chance of making the playoffs, then falter there. Who said he's going to trade the stud prospects? I'll admit I'm a bit leery but I also see no reason to jump to any conclusions that any trade will involve any one of the top 5 maybe even 10 prospects.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 24, 2024 18:58:43 GMT -5
I hope he holds off until after the MFY series. It's not worth trading our stud prospects for the slim chance of making the playoffs, then falter there. If he does that he could lose out on targets who get traded elsewhere while he's too busy waiting and seeing. Enough wishy washy BS. He's seen the team for 100 games. He should damn well know what they are by now and not have to watch 3 more games to figure out what he has.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 24, 2024 19:03:57 GMT -5
DeGrom is expected back shortly after the deadline. I wonder if the Rangers would part with him…
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 24, 2024 19:23:34 GMT -5
DeGrom is expected back shortly after the deadline. I wonder if the Rangers would part with him… i love degrom, but with his injury history, his age, and three more years after this one at 39m? hard pass unless they eat most of the contract.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 24, 2024 19:25:14 GMT -5
DeGrom is expected back shortly after the deadline. I wonder if the Rangers would part with him… If the Rangers sell, they’d probably part with Eovaldi and/or Lorenzen before they’d move DeGrom.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Jul 24, 2024 19:43:52 GMT -5
I hope he holds off until after the MFY series. It's not worth trading our stud prospects for the slim chance of making the playoffs, then falter there. Who said he's going to trade the stud prospects? I'll admit I'm a bit leery but I also see no reason to jump to any conclusions that any trade will involve any one of the top 5 maybe even 10 prospects. Oddly enough, I'm more interested in a trade that involves one or more "stud" prospects – and it's not about competing (just) this year.
I don't know exactly what that would look like, but the Red Sox need to consolidate some star power and not just have a bunch of 1-2 WAR spare parts. Obviously I don't want to trade top guys for a rental, but I'm definitely willing to trade some prospect capital for a significant upgrade with several years of control.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 24, 2024 19:51:29 GMT -5
Who said he's going to trade the stud prospects? I'll admit I'm a bit leery but I also see no reason to jump to any conclusions that any trade will involve any one of the top 5 maybe even 10 prospects. Oddly enough, I'm more interested in a trade that involves one or more "stud" prospects – and it's not about competing (just) this year.
I don't know exactly what that would look like, but the Red Sox need to consolidate some star power and not just have a bunch of 1-2 WAR spare parts. Obviously I don't want to trade top guys for a rental, but I'm definitely willing to trade some prospect capital for a significant upgrade with several years of control.
I’ve also said in the past I’m totally open to trading Anthony, but I just don’t think there’s any players out there (or available for that matter) that are worth a trade of him. Skubal is really the only one, but we don’t have the resources like the Orioles do to pull that one off.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 24, 2024 19:57:55 GMT -5
The sentence in the article from Breslow: "At some point, we need to stop with the stupid analogies and put the turn signal on… " is funny because I guess the implication is that we need to stop the stupid analogies and move on to metaphors
(bonus grammar police edition: saying that they were going to "pick a lane" was already a metaphor not an analogy so he's just extending his own original metaphor here)
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 24, 2024 20:11:13 GMT -5
Good to hear from Breslow. I think part of it has to be they don’t have much to sell. Martin has no value, TON has more value to them than in a deal and they can QO Pivetta so not losing him for nothing. Jansen is the exception, if they get a stupid offer (Cole Ragans) for him they should and will take it. Otherwise they’ll hold him
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Post by patford on Jul 24, 2024 20:34:07 GMT -5
I don't have to words to say how much I hate this.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 24, 2024 20:41:25 GMT -5
I don't have to words to say how much I hate this. Damn — you really down that bad on this team?
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Post by asm18 on Jul 24, 2024 21:04:37 GMT -5
What is the downside of mildly trying to get better or add reinforcements in an attempt to make the playoffs? If it doesn’t work you:
1) have nearly the whole team under control and coming back next year (plus a hopefully healthy Casas, Grissom, Story, Giolito, and Whitlock)
2) likely have the Big 3 (plus Kristian Campbell?) on the doorstep to begin 2025
2) have plenty of cash to throw around in the winter to chase [fill in Free Agent Fantasy Target] - being approximately 87 mil under the CBT before doing anything (per RedSoxPayroll)
Like short of an absolutely insane trade, what is the major concern here?
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Post by beavertontim on Jul 24, 2024 21:12:02 GMT -5
What is the downside of mildly trying to get better or add reinforcements in an attempt to make the playoffs? If it doesn’t work you: 1) have nearly the whole team under control and coming back next year (plus a hopefully healthy Casas, Grissom, Story, Giolito, and Whitlock) 2) likely have the Big 3 (plus Kristian Campbell?) on the doorstep to begin 2025 2) have plenty of cash to throw around in the winter to chase [fill in Free Agent Fantasy Target] - being approximately 87 mil under the CBT before doing anything (per RedSoxPayroll) Like short of an absolutely insane trade, what is the major concern here? Trade deadline deals are almost always overpays for short term help.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 24, 2024 21:21:00 GMT -5
I just don't value wins over the next 10 weeks more than wins over the next several years. It would be unprecedented for a wild card chasing team to make a big splash at the deadline so ultimately what happens probably won't matter much. We'll see.
My smart ass comment about Breslow announcing the lane was because it's a negative free roll. If he makes a deal and everyone is happy he didn't gain anything by saying that. If he does something underwhelming and the team misses the playoffs well now I'm going to be hearing this line repeated all offseason.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 24, 2024 21:39:46 GMT -5
I just don't value wins over the next 10 weeks more than wins over the next several years. It would be unprecedented for a wild card chasing team to make a big splash at the deadline so ultimately what happens probably won't matter much. We'll see. My smart ass comment about Breslow announcing the lane was because it's a negative free roll. If he makes a deal and everyone is happy he didn't gain anything by saying that. If he does something underwhelming and the team misses the playoffs well now I'm going to be hearing this line repeated all offseason. I’m more ambivalent about trading for wins now but I agree him announcing this does them no favors. Even if he does make some of the smaller additions (and not a major one), which many here would be happy with if the team doesn’t go on a run anyways the comments will still be thrown back at him after the season. And you gain less good PR from making smaller additions than you would if you hadn’t set expectations high now. They add a backend starter it’s not a nice addition it’s an “oh this is what Breslow considers going for it?” It’s not a big deal because it really just comes down to perception issues, but I just don’t get what you gain from this.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 24, 2024 22:19:10 GMT -5
I just don't value wins over the next 10 weeks more than wins over the next several years. It would be unprecedented for a wild card chasing team to make a big splash at the deadline so ultimately what happens probably won't matter much. We'll see. My smart ass comment about Breslow announcing the lane was because it's a negative free roll. If he makes a deal and everyone is happy he didn't gain anything by saying that. If he does something underwhelming and the team misses the playoffs well now I'm going to be hearing this line repeated all offseason. The problem with the logic in your first sentence is you’re not guaranteeing yourself wins over the next several years by hoarding prospects. I’m not trading any of the big three unless someone like Skubal is available but, realistically, is every single prospect from 10-30 in the system going to impact the Red Sox in a positive way? Not only is it wildly unlikely that it happens, it’s almost impossible with 40 man considerations. My hope is that the very first prospects Breslow dangles in trade talks are guys with an upcoming rule 5 deadline, because I think that’s the best mix of maximizing present value while mitigating long term risk. But in reality, trading away non-elite prospects is not super likely to hurt them in the long run.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 24, 2024 22:31:41 GMT -5
But in reality, trading away non-elite prospects is not super likely to hurt them in the long run. You're also not going to move the needle much on this year's team though. You trade away Monegro and Castro for a rental and maybe you're adding like 0.2 WAR to this year's team on average. Do a few trades like that over the years and the odds get pretty high that one of those guys hits and has a nice little 8 WAR career.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 24, 2024 22:36:12 GMT -5
But in reality, trading away non-elite prospects is not super likely to hurt them in the long run. You're also not going to move the needle much on this year's team though. You trade away Monegro and Castro for a rental and maybe you're adding like 0.2 WAR to this year's team on average. Do a few trades like that over the years and the odds get pretty high that one of those guys hits and has a nice little 8 WAR career. No higher than the odds that you hit on a player that makes a meaningful difference to the current year’s team, IMO. I get the risk and you’re not wrong for wanting to value future years, but I just feel at some point they need to at least dip their toes in the waters of being competitive and that they can do it without significantly damaging core future assets. But specifically to your point about Castro and Monegro, there’s a chance they’re in another organization next year anyway if they don’t get protected, so maybe better to get something for them now than lose them for nothing (I doubt either get taken but I’m more using those you listed as a general example). Also, final addition - there’s no rule that says the player you trade for can only be with the team half a season.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 24, 2024 23:10:01 GMT -5
I just don't value wins over the next 10 weeks more than wins over the next several years. It would be unprecedented for a wild card chasing team to make a big splash at the deadline so ultimately what happens probably won't matter much. We'll see. My smart ass comment about Breslow announcing the lane was because it's a negative free roll. If he makes a deal and everyone is happy he didn't gain anything by saying that. If he does something underwhelming and the team misses the playoffs well now I'm going to be hearing this line repeated all offseason. Nobody is saying trade the big 3 for rentals. But that said, everytime you are in striking distance you need to at least give your team a chance and see what happens. I think everyone agrees the big 3 are probably off the market, but there are still alot of ways to improve a team with the likes of chace anderson, Horn and Westbrook getting serious playing time. If your going to make deals you can 1- use our financial flexibility/ salary cap space to essentially buy players. If the FO is fmae with this its the easyest way to improve without using much prospect cost 2- acquire players with more term than just this year. This is helping the team not onky this year but next aswell. 3- go for change of scenery options and hope that they have a couple good months left in them. The Sox should be able to use these 3 strategies to improve this team be a fair amount without mortgaging to much future.
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Post by keninten on Jul 24, 2024 23:37:53 GMT -5
DeGrom is expected back shortly after the deadline. I wonder if the Rangers would part with him… I can go full crazy on this. How about Masa and some good rule 5 prospects for him? Could even throw in some cash if needed. Rangers could use the LHH. deGrom could be the ace in the BP or an opener.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 24, 2024 23:43:28 GMT -5
It's remarkable how many poor decisions are the result of applying the wrong metaphor - like one that implies a binary decision in a situation that is not binary. What if, instead of "picking a lane," Breslow were to:
- "balance" present and future value? - "hold" the hand he was dealt rather than "raise" or "fold"? - "have his cake and eat it too" by improving the team now and in the future, like they did in 2022? - "chart a middle course" to avoid dangers on both sides?
The sentence in the article from Breslow: "At some point, we need to stop with the stupid analogies and put the turn signal on… " is funny because I guess the implication is that we need to stop the stupid analogies and move on to metaphors (bonus grammar police edition: saying that they were going to "pick a lane" was already a metaphor not an analogy so he's just extending his own original metaphor here) Breslow is trolling me personally isn't he
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2024 0:41:08 GMT -5
I honestly dont see what the big deal is about Breslow stating his intentions.
Realistically even if they got swept by the Yankees they'd only be 3 or 4 games out of the wild card spot, which means theyd be in striking distance, so why would it be suprising to anybody that Breslow picked the lane of buying? What? As opposed to being a small handful of games out and punting so they can miss the playoffs 5 years out of 6?
He might not go for it to the extent that fans or media might wish, but it makes sense to keep Hanley, O'Neill, and Pivetta so that you're not opening up holes. Adding on, even if it is marginal, could energize the club into playing better even if the acquisition itself isnt that impactful.
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