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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 25, 2024 11:50:53 GMT -5
Angels are my dream trade partner, I think. Let them trade us Detmers for less than he's worth. And maybe you pick up Taylor Ward if you believe he can play 1B still. Estevez would be nice in the bullpen too.
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Post by soxpatsceltics on Jul 25, 2024 12:07:47 GMT -5
I would not be suprised to see Yorke as soon as tommorrow. Westbrook is a liability at 2b and the Yanks are throwing two lefties in the series, so Hamilton is not a good option. I know he is also a potential trade chip who could go at any time, but today he is ours and he is a better 2b than Westbrook is. I feel very strongly that Sogard is going to get a chance before Yorke. More positional versatility and has more than proved himself the last year and a half in Worcester. EDIT: as mentioned, Yorke also needs the AAA reps to get better against LHP. I also think they’re keeping him there for now to protect his trade value at the deadline. Sogard seems to be a guy that the Sox don't have faith in as even a AAAA player, he's seen as just an organizational player. He's been in AAA for almost 3 years now if they thought they had something he would have been up more than a year ago, and he's been passed up for the rule 5 two times already. And then they promoted journeyman Westbrook over him earlier in the year. I'm not all that concerned about Yorke vs LHP, the real question for me is if he can handle a rough 50/50 split of LF/2B defensively at the MLB level.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 25, 2024 12:09:55 GMT -5
Angels are my dream trade partner, I think. Let them trade us Detmers for less than he's worth. And maybe you pick up Taylor Ward if you believe he can play 1B still. Estevez would be nice in the bullpen too. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place but it appears that Ward has only played 3 games at 1B in his career. Came up as a 3Bman in 2018, played 40 games there before moving to the OF in 2019
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 25, 2024 12:19:27 GMT -5
Angels are my dream trade partner, I think. Let them trade us Detmers for less than he's worth. And maybe you pick up Taylor Ward if you believe he can play 1B still. Estevez would be nice in the bullpen too. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place but it appears that Ward has only played 3 games at 1B in his career. Came up as a 3Bman in 2018, played 40 games there before moving to the OF in 2019 No that's pretty much accurate. But he was a catcher until 2017, played 6 games at 1B in AAA in 2019, mostly a 3B until 2019 when he moved to the outfield. I really doubt that the Red Sox would have enough faith in his ability to play 1B. Just was lumping him in to fit all the needs into one trade but really I just want Detmers.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 25, 2024 12:38:04 GMT -5
In that Fangraphs article the made up price for Detmers sure wasn’t cheap
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 25, 2024 12:44:25 GMT -5
So reasonably in a few weeks you can have this lineup against lefties
1) Duran LF 2) Refsnyder RF 3) TON DH 4) Devers 3B 5) Wong C 6) Casas 1B 7) Romy SS 8) Grissom 2B 9) Rafaela CF
Who is available for trade that you think is an obvious upgrade for this team? It probably depends on how much you believe in Grissom and Romy, but i trust them to handle left handers well enough compared to what’s on the market. Either go big game hunting in Parades or Robert, or focus on the pitching side of things.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 25, 2024 12:47:32 GMT -5
In that Fangraphs article the made up price for Detmers sure wasn’t cheap Based on the FG prospect rankings a roughly equivalent offer might be Elmer Rodriguez, Nick Yorke and Allan Castro. And that's for Detmers + Estevez
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 25, 2024 12:52:16 GMT -5
In that Fangraphs article the made up price for Detmers sure wasn’t cheap Based on the FG prospect rankings a roughly equivalent offer might be Elmer Rodriguez, Nick Yorke and Allan Castro. And that's for Detmers + Estevez I was talking with some Angels fans and they floated a Grissom for Detmers trade. I know the ERA looks bad for Detmers but the underlying stuff is so intriguing and getting him out of that Org and into baileys lab would be so fun.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 25, 2024 12:54:46 GMT -5
I would not be suprised to see Yorke as soon as tommorrow. Westbrook is a liability at 2b and the Yanks are throwing two lefties in the series, so Hamilton is not a good option. I know he is also a potential trade chip who could go at any time, but today he is ours and he is a better 2b than Westbrook is. I feel very strongly that Sogard is going to get a chance before Yorke. More positional versatility and has more than proved himself the last year and a half in Worcester. EDIT: as mentioned, Yorke also needs the AAA reps to get better against LHP. I also think they’re keeping him there for now to protect his trade value at the deadline. You are a great advocate for Sogard and I always forget him.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 25, 2024 13:03:37 GMT -5
Based on the FG prospect rankings a roughly equivalent offer might be Elmer Rodriguez, Nick Yorke and Allan Castro. And that's for Detmers + Estevez I was talking with some Angels fans and they floated a Grissom for Detmers trade. I know the ERA looks bad for Detmers but the underlying stuff is so intriguing and getting him out of that Org and into baileys lab would be so fun. Would be a big fan of that
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 25, 2024 13:05:45 GMT -5
Exactly. This is a team that has trouble against left-handed pitching. So you are not going to resign your only right-handed power bat? They need to resign him and try to improve at 2nd with Grissom or Yorke or Campbell or some other right-handed hitter so they can better handle left handed pitching this year and next, imo. Cots contracts shows the Red Sox around $19 million below the luxury tax with Jenson and Martin on expiring contracts combining to be another $25 million. I think they can afford to pay O'Neil and get a starter. Additionally, TON is 29 going on 30. His best season ever (2021) yielded 6.3 bWAR in 141 games (7.2 bWAR pace over 162). This season, the Sox are getting the best year of his career outside of 2021 (2.2 bWAR in 73 games; 4.9 bWAR pace over 162). How often can you get a player in the prime of their career with 4+ WAR upside and only 1 year of commitment? It is considerable upside with limited downside. Not to mention, he fits the needs of the roster and the clubhouse culture. Is the downside that he may not be quite worth the ~$20MM a QO would provide? This is a roster FILLED with kids making $700k/year. They can afford to throw an extra few M's here and there. No big deal. We're missing a Trevor Story type hitter. Wonder where we can get one of those.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 25, 2024 13:10:28 GMT -5
I was talking with some Angels fans and they floated a Grissom for Detmers trade. I know the ERA looks bad for Detmers but the underlying stuff is so intriguing and getting him out of that Org and into baileys lab would be so fun. Would be a big fan of that All I want is for them to clear out the long term 2b logjam some while getting fairish value no matter the form
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 25, 2024 13:25:08 GMT -5
Angels are my dream trade partner, I think. Let them trade us Detmers for less than he's worth. And maybe you pick up Taylor Ward if you believe he can play 1B still. Estevez would be nice in the bullpen too. Detmers and Estevez for Lugo, Fitts, and Guerrero sounds like a classic Angels trade blunder. 3 “major league ready” players who can “immediately help their lineup, rotation, and bullpen” would be right up their alley. That feels like a big reason why they’ve been bad for so long. They don’t ever seem to let young players develop or go after high-upside guys in trades. It’s always high-floor guys who can help them out now, except they don’t end up being much better than the crop of similar players they’re replacing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 25, 2024 13:25:33 GMT -5
The 1-5 road trip wasn’t as bad as it looked, record-wise, because the Sox could easily have gone 4-2 -- if not for three late-inning meltdowns by a bullpen that has been solid most of the year.
“It’s quite clear that we haven’t had the best start to the second half,” Breslow said. “I also think it’s really difficult to read too much into the individual games. Now, if these start to become a trend, then the question we have to ask ourselves is, ‘What do we think we’re capable of in the second half?’ But I’ve maintained for a week or so now that the conversations we’re having are about trying to improve the club. In a perfect world, we can improve it in 2024 and beyond. If someone were to reach out and make an offer that would blow us away, it would be foolish not to listen.
“But the conversations right now are about improving the team. I think these guys have played really hard and we’ve put ourselves in a position where the postseason and playing meaningful baseball down the stretch is a reality for us. That’s where we want to be. I think being in a position where improving the team is the right decision to make is a great spot to be in.”
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Starting pitching The front four of Tanner Houck, Nick Pivettta, Kutter Crawford and Brayan Bello is a group the Sox are reasonably confident in. The fifth spot has rotated between Cooper Criswell and Josh Winckowski. Boston is vulnerable if it gets another injury in the rotation, and that’s why adding another starter figures to be Breslow’s top priority before Tuesday’s Deadline.
Lefty James Paxton -- designated for assignment after beating Boston on Sunday -- could fit like a glove because he is familiar with the clubhouse and the training staff after spending the 2023 season in Boston. If the Sox were willing to trade high-end prospects, they could make a run at Tigers lefty Tarik Skubal. Garrett Crochet of the White Sox, Angels left-hander Tyler Anderson and Tigers righty Jack Flaherty are other pitchers who figure to be on the market.
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Bullpen help Losing key right-handed setup men Justin Slaten and Chris Martin to right elbow injuries at the same time was the catalyst to the rough trip coming out of the break. And closer Kenley Jansen didn’t go to Colorado due to a pre-existing heart condition that gets exacerbated by high altitude. While Jansen will be back in action on Friday night, there’s no set timetable for Slaten and Martin to return. Also, Liam Hendriks had hoped to be back from Tommy John surgery by the Trade Deadline, but he’s likely at least a month away from returning at this point.
Expect Breslow to be aggressive in his pursuit of bullpen arms. Angels closer Carlos Estévez, Tigers left-hander Andrew Chafin, Rays closer Pete Fairbanks, Nationals righty Kyle Finnegan, Blue Jays righty Trevor Richards and Marlins lefty Tanner Scott are pieces that could fit.
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A right-handed bat The Red Sox have struggled against left-handed pitching this season because several of their best hitters are left-handed. The loss of Trevor Story’s right-handed bat is something Boston hasn’t really recovered from. Though Story thinks he might play at some point, it won’t be any earlier than September. And even that could be a long shot. Who could be this year’s Steve Pearce?
Perhaps Toronto’s Justin Turner, the clubhouse leader and best clutch hitter for the 2023 Red Sox? White Sox outfielder Tommy Pham is another former Sox player who could fit. Though Giants designated hitter Jorge Soler hasn’t had much of a season so far (.697 OPS), he ripped 36 homers for the Marlins in ‘23 and could be dangerous at Fenway.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 13:33:48 GMT -5
Based on the FG prospect rankings a roughly equivalent offer might be Elmer Rodriguez, Nick Yorke and Allan Castro. And that's for Detmers + Estevez I was talking with some Angels fans and they floated a Grissom for Detmers trade. I know the ERA looks bad for Detmers but the underlying stuff is so intriguing and getting him out of that Org and into baileys lab would be so fun. Now-Angels Manager Ron Washington knows Grissom from Atlanta - curious what his two cents would be worth in this hypothetical. Detmers kinda gives off 2020-Pivetta vibes where he’s had major league success and is clearly talented - but things have gotten rocky with his current team for unknown reasons. Like you’d think with multiple years of control and their season over they could just focus on developing him - but they are the Angels
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 25, 2024 13:35:01 GMT -5
I was talking with some Angels fans and they floated a Grissom for Detmers trade. I know the ERA looks bad for Detmers but the underlying stuff is so intriguing and getting him out of that Org and into baileys lab would be so fun. Now-Angels Manager Ron Washington knows Grissom from Atlanta - curious what his two cents would be worth in this hypothetical. Detmers kinda gives off 2020-Pivetta vibes where he’s had major league success and is clearly talented - but things have gotten rocky with his current team for unknown reasons. Like you’d think with multiple years of control and their season over they could just focus on developing him - but they are the Angels I believe I remember a story where Washington was very high on grissom.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 25, 2024 13:52:35 GMT -5
Now-Angels Manager Ron Washington knows Grissom from Atlanta - curious what his two cents would be worth in this hypothetical. Detmers kinda gives off 2020-Pivetta vibes where he’s had major league success and is clearly talented - but things have gotten rocky with his current team for unknown reasons. Like you’d think with multiple years of control and their season over they could just focus on developing him - but they are the Angels I believe I remember a story where Washington was very high on grissom. www.mlb.com/news/vaughn-grissom-learning-shortstop-from-ron-washington
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Post by cba82 on Jul 25, 2024 14:03:56 GMT -5
“White Sox outfielder Tommy Pham is another former Sox player who could fit. ” — And who leaves the roster to make room? This one feels like a non-starter.
Also, neither Yorke nor Sogard are on the 40-man, so a move would need to be made there to call up either of those players; DFAing Westbrook seems the cleanest.
Anticipate at least one (internal) bullpen move before Friday night.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 25, 2024 14:14:21 GMT -5
Based on the FG prospect rankings a roughly equivalent offer might be Elmer Rodriguez, Nick Yorke and Allan Castro. And that's for Detmers + Estevez I was talking with some Angels fans and they floated a Grissom for Detmers trade. I know the ERA looks bad for Detmers but the underlying stuff is so intriguing and getting him out of that Org and into baileys lab would be so fun. Detmers has a 6.14 ERA but a 3.64 xERA. Seems like he's having an issue with his breaking balls (slider & curveball) having much worse results than in past seasons (per BIS). In turn, he's increased his changeup usage (at the expense of the breaking pitches) while also increasing its effectiveness. His swinging strike (13.4%) and called strike (16.4%) are both career highs while his average fastball velocity has ticked up in each year (since 2021) of his MLB career. His outside swing percentage (31.5%) is also a career high (by a large margin; +3.5%). Have to wonder if cutting out his slider or his curveball could simplify things and enhance his performance. Regardless, seems like an obvious choice to have a much better 2nd half than 1st half.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 25, 2024 14:18:24 GMT -5
Reid Detmers a) pitched fine in the majors this season; b) has in fact sucked this year if you count AAA. I'd like to at least hear a theory about why (b) is the case before I get too excited about trading for him.
ADD: Per wcsoxfan's comment, maybe he was sent down to AAA to experiment with the pitch mix? In which case the stat line results are probably not the most important metric.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 25, 2024 14:29:05 GMT -5
I'd like to see what a smart Angels fan thinks of the Detmers situation.
He was a high draft pick, got to the big leagues pretty quick, had two successful major league seasons right away and has obviously good stuff. Not exactly the stereotype of a guy a team is looking for any excuse to give up on.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 25, 2024 14:30:52 GMT -5
Something that attracts me about Detmers is that I think the Angels are a dumb organization so it’s very possible they are missing something
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 25, 2024 14:32:33 GMT -5
I would for sure take a shot on Detmers if I was the Sox, I have no idea what his value would be right now though so wouldn't want to fathom a guess as to what he'd cost.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 14:43:57 GMT -5
This is what Chris Sale was talking about when he broke that TV
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 25, 2024 14:49:36 GMT -5
Ronnie Lott is somewhere in the Bay Area listening to sports talk radio and shaking his head in disgust at that IL trip.
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