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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2024 17:36:13 GMT -5
He's "worth" more than that. He having a good season and has a track record of throwing innings (not an overwhelming amount- it is the 2020s after all). That means, with a lot of teams needing starting pitching, that the Cubs should do well in a trade for him. Let them sucker somebody else, not the Red Sox if any if their top 5 would need to be involved. while I agree with you that he does have value, his contract has that value in the mid to back teens imo. sure, someone could overpay, but not a top 30 prospect like Teel Right. If the Sox have up Teel theyd get a 2nd tier prospect. I'd rather keep the first tier prospect and find pitching elsewhere. If Taillon cost them a 2nd tier prospect outside of the top 5 and not Arias, I'd be interested. Otherwise no thanks.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 25, 2024 17:47:07 GMT -5
The proposal I saw from Sports Illustrated was Nazzan Zanetello, Richard Fitts, and Blaze Jordan in exchange for Jameson Tailon and perennial fan favorite, Cash Considerations. I'd consider it, though I'd rather include Yorke in the deal rather than Fitts or Zanetello.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 25, 2024 17:54:07 GMT -5
Taillon is an average pitcher on the contract you would sign him to if he was a free agent. You don't really want him in a playoff series. I wouldn't trade more than one of the 10-20 guys for him and I wouldn't even be for them doing that (depending on which 10-20 guy it is, Jordan yes, Yorke no).
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 25, 2024 17:54:13 GMT -5
The proposal I saw from Sports Illustrated was Nazzan Zanetello, Richard Fitts, and Blaze Jordan in exchange for Jameson Tailon and perennial fan favorite, Cash Considerations. I'd consider it, though I'd rather include Yorke in the deal rather than Fitts or Zanetello. I’d do this. I really don’t think Fitts will ever reach the levels of Taillon if I’m being entirely honest.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 25, 2024 17:54:26 GMT -5
The proposal I saw from Sports Illustrated was Nazzan Zanetello, Richard Fitts, and Blaze Jordan in exchange for Jameson Tailon and perennial fan favorite, Cash Considerations. I'd consider it, though I'd rather include Yorke in the deal rather than Fitts or Zanetello. Was that article written by AI?
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 25, 2024 17:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 17:59:17 GMT -5
Taillon’s remaining deal would be 18 mil per year in ‘25 and ‘26.
When’s the last time the Sox acquired someone with that level of salary commitments in a trade? They’ve traded guys away with medium to large deals in the Henry tenure - Edgar Renteria, Carl Crawford, David Price to name a few - but I’m trying to remember the doing the reverse. I’m sure there’s an example that’s slipping my mind
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 25, 2024 18:01:36 GMT -5
Fitts has future reliever vibes to me, I wouldn't really hesitate to deal him for a solid SP. Zanatello looks the part of a good young prospect but they have plenty of MI prospects further along than him. Jordan I'd trade. All 3 in a deal for taillon I don't know if that's good value though.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 25, 2024 18:07:46 GMT -5
Fitts has future reliever vibes to me, I wouldn't really hesitate to deal him for a solid SP. Zanatello looks the part of a good young prospect but they have plenty of MI prospects further along than him. Jordan I'd trade. All 3 in a deal for taillon I don't know if that's good value though. I’m not really aiming this at any one person and I don’t even feel strongly against the idea of trading him but it’s just interesting that there’s been such a strong “don’t trade low on Bleis!” contingent but Zanatello gets thrown into every fake offer
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 25, 2024 18:12:32 GMT -5
Seeing Teel in a Taillon trade would make me throw up.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 25, 2024 18:16:14 GMT -5
Fitts has future reliever vibes to me, I wouldn't really hesitate to deal him for a solid SP. Zanatello looks the part of a good young prospect but they have plenty of MI prospects further along than him. Jordan I'd trade. All 3 in a deal for taillon I don't know if that's good value though. I’m not really aiming this at any one person and I don’t even feel strongly against the idea of trading him but it’s just interesting that there’s been such a strong “don’t trade low on Bleis!” contingent but Zanatello gets thrown into every fake offer Probably a fair point. Perhaps in my case it's just having more an attachment to bleis since it feels like for years we've been hearing how loud his tools are. Won't dispute that it may be trading low on zanatello right now same as it would be for bleis.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 25, 2024 18:17:56 GMT -5
I doubt anyone is interested in giving up much of anything for the right to pay 36-year-old Chris Bassitt $22 million next year. Gausman could bring back something decent, but his value is probably as low as it’s been in five years. Probably doesn’t hurt to see if he can bounce back in the second half/next year. With them wanting to keep Vlad and Bichette for another year, it’s not shocking they’d hold onto those two.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 25, 2024 18:18:08 GMT -5
More than likely a negotiation tactic.... Anyone interested knows they have to make a better offer.
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2024 18:20:34 GMT -5
Can anyone explain Jonathan India’s year? DRS hates him but savant likes him okay. Would help out vs LHP but I think he’d cost too much for my liking.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 25, 2024 18:21:23 GMT -5
Gausman is showing some pretty serious signs of regression the last two years. If I was the Jays I'd be happy to move him and that contract for a very modest package. The jays seem to be pretty poorly run though so maybe they actually won't entertain offers on him.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 25, 2024 18:22:42 GMT -5
Taillon’s remaining deal would be 18 mil per year in ‘25 and ‘26. When’s the last time the Sox acquired someone with that level of salary commitments in a trade? They’ve traded guys away with medium to large deals in the Henry tenure - Edgar Renteria, Carl Crawford, David Price to name a few - but I’m trying to remember the doing the reverse. I’m sure there’s an example that’s slipping my mind Peavy only had one extra year rather than two, but he’s the one that immediately springs to mind. Was making $14.5 million/year when they acquired him.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 18:34:09 GMT -5
Taillon’s remaining deal would be 18 mil per year in ‘25 and ‘26. When’s the last time the Sox acquired someone with that level of salary commitments in a trade? They’ve traded guys away with medium to large deals in the Henry tenure - Edgar Renteria, Carl Crawford, David Price to name a few - but I’m trying to remember the doing the reverse. I’m sure there’s an example that’s slipping my mind Peavy only had one extra year rather than two, but he’s the one that immediately springs to mind. Was making $14.5 million/year when they acquired him. Ah - great catch! Honestly kinda forgot Peavy had an extra year of control and wasn’t a pure rental - which in hindsight Jose Iglesias, Frankie Montas, and two other dudes would have been quite a lot for! That’s a pretty fair $ sum in 2013 as well. (Down the rabbit hole: In 2014 they traded Peavy to the Giants in a return that netted them Heath Hembree)
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 25, 2024 18:37:05 GMT -5
Gausman is having a down year at 33 with 2 more years after this one so the market for him might just be awful, surprised they aren't trying to deal Bassitt though.
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Post by nomar on Jul 25, 2024 18:48:53 GMT -5
Gausman is having a down year at 33 with 2 more years after this one so the market for him might just be awful, surprised they aren't trying to deal Bassitt though. They should definitely trade Bassitt but I’m not surprised. They’re being ran pretty poorly IMO. Their farm is weak, they’ve squandered a great window of opportunity, and now they’re not even making an attempt to cash in on their aging pieces and free up some payroll in the process. They’ve also let a lot of high end pitching prospects flame out entirely for the better part of a decade. Frustrating era for their club despite the fair amount success.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 25, 2024 20:08:09 GMT -5
For reasons unclear to me, some people are interested in Lorenzen (5.09 FIP and 4.76 xERA) and Eovaldi and Scherzer have sparked some interest, but what about Jon Gray? He might be available, as it seems the Rangers are choosing the indecisive path*: Under control through 2025.
Also suggests Eovaldi probably *won't* be available:
*i.e., a very sensible approach given their roster and place in the standings
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 25, 2024 20:26:58 GMT -5
Puk to Dbacks
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 25, 2024 20:36:40 GMT -5
for their #14 and #30 prospects. Paulino (he’s 15 but I’m obviously not trading Arias right now lol) and Guerrero for a solid reliever doesn’t sound terrible to me, could probably do a little better than Puk with that (I am delusionally assuming the Sox’s system is better).
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jul 25, 2024 20:40:16 GMT -5
for their #14 and #30 prospects. Paulino (he’s 15 but I’m obviously not trading Arias right now lol) and Guerrero for a solid reliever doesn’t sound terrible to me, could probably do a little better than Puk with that (I am delusionally assuming the Sox’s system is better). De Los Santos is having a monster year in AA/AAA and is only 21. I think it'd be a higher rated prospect than Paulino.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 25, 2024 20:41:47 GMT -5
Puk is in his first arb year. Marlins give up Deyvison De Los Santos and Andrew Pintar. DDLS was a RUle 5 pick this year who was returned in spring training and then has had a breakout year. BA has him 8th in their updated list. Pintar is a 2022 5th round college bat that has done alright since getting drafted meh
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 20:42:49 GMT -5
Puk with 2.5 years of control left
And so it begins!
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