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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 25, 2024 21:12:30 GMT -5
for their #14 and #30 prospects. Paulino (he’s 15 but I’m obviously not trading Arias right now lol) and Guerrero for a solid reliever doesn’t sound terrible to me, could probably do a little better than Puk with that (I am delusionally assuming the Sox’s system is better). I believe those are Pipeline’s rankings which haven’t been updated since the start of the year. BA has them #6 and #17.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2024 21:43:16 GMT -5
A lot of speculation about the Sox getting Taillon for the rotation and obtaining Rengifo for 2b and Estevez for the setup role.
Cant say those guys would be dreams come true. I think Estevez could help but I'm lukewarm on Rengifo - find rather see Grissom getchis full rehab and then get another crack at 2b, and I'm not a huge fan of Taillon.
Would prefer Flaherty or Eovaldi for the rotation and Turner as the RH 1b/DH bat. Dont have any real preference for the setup guy.
I do think theyll get all 3 needs filled, but I have a feeling they'll make a deal for Rengifo that will annoy. I suspect either Yorke or Grissom will get dealt. Should be an interesting weekend.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 25, 2024 21:48:00 GMT -5
I was thinking about Puk. Underrated, seems to be finally approaching his potential after a few years under his belt and a slow start to the year. MLBTR podcast was talking him up. One ER since 6/9 (17 app).
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 25, 2024 22:08:51 GMT -5
Seeing Teel in a Taillon trade would make me throw up. If Teel is going to Chicago, it would have to be Crochet coming back.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 25, 2024 22:19:26 GMT -5
I doubt anyone is interested in giving up much of anything for the right to pay 36-year-old Chris Bassitt $22 million next year. Gausman could bring back something decent, but his value is probably as low as it’s been in five years. Probably doesn’t hurt to see if he can bounce back in the second half/next year. With them wanting to keep Vlad and Bichette for another year, it’s not shocking they’d hold onto those two. Not that it matters until next year's deadline but Bassitt is insanely consistent and underrated. He has a career 3.51 ERA in 176 starts. I think that's a big enough sample size to say he's good. He's also a pitcher, not a thrower, so he should age just fine. I would much rather have him than a fading Gaussmann. The Jays FO are up sh!t's creek. If they blow it up, why would ownership keep them around to build it back up? So they have to hang onto what they can and whistle past the graveyard for another year. Imagine having to root for that and the Leafs? Don't even get me started on the Argonauts...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 25, 2024 22:20:08 GMT -5
Now-Angels Manager Ron Washington knows Grissom from Atlanta - curious what his two cents would be worth in this hypothetical. Detmers kinda gives off 2020-Pivetta vibes where he’s had major league success and is clearly talented - but things have gotten rocky with his current team for unknown reasons. Like you’d think with multiple years of control and their season over they could just focus on developing him - but they are the Angels I believe I remember a story where Washington was very high on grissom. I believe I remember a story where Washington was very high on something else...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 25, 2024 22:48:20 GMT -5
Angels are my dream trade partner, I think. Let them trade us Detmers for less than he's worth. And maybe you pick up Taylor Ward if you believe he can play 1B still. Estevez would be nice in the bullpen too. My dream partner is definitely the White Sox. Crochet, Fedde, plus either Brebbia or Kopech. Obviously it would cost one of the THREE plus 2-3 other quality pieces but all besides Brebbia are controlled at least through 2025. One-stop shopping and CHW gets quantity as well as quality. I would love to extend Crochet to something like 5yr/$85m. He's basically making the minimum now, so his remaining two arb years could add up to less than $20-$25m. This is their best chance to get a legit ace under long-term control and if it drops the farm from top-5 to top-10, so be it. Get the RHH somewhere else.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 23:31:21 GMT -5
Throwing out “lowball offers while attempting to leverage the downside risk of the opt-out season” for the dude who won the Cy Young last year and has playoff bonafides would be my preferred first choice before chatting up Taillon/Paxton/etc. Blake Snell’s surface numbers are bad so far in a groin-injury-plagued season, but his under-the-hood numbers are still very good - including elite swing and miss that hasn’t gone away.
The other fun thing: you are not competing with the pitching hungry Dodgers in this specific case, because that is the one place the San Francisco Giants would do everything humanly possible to avoid sending him there. (If you don’t believe me, look up the number of Dodger/Giants trades in the last 40 years)
EDIT: Difference with SF and Rodon in 2022 is they were able to issue a Qualifying Offer after the White Sox inexplicably did not the year before, and thus net a draft pick. With Snell they don’t have that luxury - either he’s gone for nothing or something goes very very wrong and he opts in
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 25, 2024 23:38:12 GMT -5
Throwing out “lowball offers while attempting to leverage the downside risk of the opt-out season” for the dude who won the Cy Young last year and has playoff bonafides would be my preferred first choice before chatting up Taillon/Paxton/etc. Blake Snell’s surface numbers are bad so far in a groin-injury-plagued season, but his under-the-hood numbers are still very good - including elite swing and miss that hasn’t gone away. The other fun thing: you are not competing with the pitching hungry Dodgers in this specific case, because that is the one place the San Francisco Giants would do everything humanly possible to avoid sending him there. (If you don’t believe me, look up the number of Dodger/Giants trades in the last 40 years) And our sleeper candidate emerges! I’d be down. He’s actually been quite solid in his last 3 starts since returning.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 23:43:24 GMT -5
Randy Arozarena to Mariners
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 25, 2024 23:45:28 GMT -5
Randy Arozarena to Mariners i'll be honest, i fully expect any hitters who go to the mariners to just be zapped of their powers instantly upon arrival.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 25, 2024 23:46:36 GMT -5
Randy Arozarena to Mariners Good for the Mariners even though I don’t think it will move the needle very much for their offense. They need at least 3 Arozarena’s to feel like a bonafide threat.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 25, 2024 23:49:29 GMT -5
That first Red Sox trade gonna hit like crack
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 25, 2024 23:57:06 GMT -5
Rays get Aidan Smith and Brody Hopkins. Smith got 1.2 million in last year's 4th round out of HS and is having a good year in Low-A and Brody Hopkins was an underslot 6th round college pitcher who I guess people kind of like but isn't getting spectacular results in Low-A. Not a big return
Randy is making $8 million in his first year of arb so he's gonna get kinda expensive
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Post by asm18 on Jul 25, 2024 23:59:39 GMT -5
Via Mariners beat writer (Ryan Divish)
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 26, 2024 0:12:01 GMT -5
Via Mariners beat writer (Ryan Divish) The Rays are experts at this. Watch Randy flail in the depths of Seattle while the Rays somehow turn these two into perennial All Stars.
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Post by soxpatsceltics on Jul 26, 2024 0:33:16 GMT -5
Fangraphs has Hopkins as a 45+ they think he could be a late bloomer cause he didn't pitch full time in college. Would probably be the equivalent of Perales or Sandlin, Allen Castro, plus a probably not insignificant PTBNL. I think this is another great "trade a year early than late" deal for the Rays, Arozarena won't be cheap in arbitration either he's already making 8.1 in Arb2, probably looking at ~20-25 million over the next couple years. Idk what the Mariners are doing though, I guess someone has to win the West but I think Randy has already peaked.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 26, 2024 0:42:50 GMT -5
Rays are in trade mode. They have several players that could interest the Sox. Adam or fairbanks. Yandy or peredes. Efflin.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 26, 2024 5:03:39 GMT -5
Via Mariners beat writer (Ryan Divish) The Rays are experts at this. Watch Randy flail in the depths of Seattle while the Rays somehow turn these two into perennial All Stars. Yeah I have no doubt that Aiden Smith will be a top 10 prospect in baseball at some point in his ascent to the majors. It almost never works out trading with the Rays.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 26, 2024 6:09:39 GMT -5
Rays are in trade mode. They have several players that could interest the Sox. Adam or fairbanks. Yandy or peredes. Efflin. Yandy Diaz is currently on the restricted list dealing with some kind of off-field issue.
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Post by jdb on Jul 26, 2024 7:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 26, 2024 7:44:21 GMT -5
Snell always has a terrible 1st half and an excellent 2nd half. If you can deal with the BS until mid June, you’ll be rewarded on the back end.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 26, 2024 11:17:35 GMT -5
With the Rangers not selling, the Blue Jays not inclined to move their non-rental pitchers, and Garrett Crochet’s agents publicly screwing over the White Sox in the funniest way possible, this list gets a lot less sexy very quickly. White Sox Crochet (2.5 years - ARB) 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ - agent says he wants an extension or won’t pitch in OctoberFedde (1.5 years - 7.5 mil AAV) Angels Tyler Anderson (1.5 years - 13 mil AAV) Griffin Canning (1.5 years - ARB) Reid Detmers (AAA) - (3 years - ARb eligible after this year) - has been banished to AAA Tigers Jack Flaherty (RENTAL) Tarik Skubal - GODFATHER OFFERS ONLY (2.5 years ARB)Blue Jays Kikuchi (RENTAL) Rays Zach Efflin (1.5 years - 18 mil AAV next year) Zack Littell (1.5 years - ARB Rockies Cal Quantril (1.5 years - Arb) Cubs Jamison Taillon (2.5 years - 18 mil AAV) Giants Blake Snell (RENTAL…? He has 2025 player option that is about 28-29 AAV but half is deferred until 2027. Cannot be QO’d this winter…) Alex Cobb (RENTAL - finishing rehab soon) Robbie Ray (could opt out after this year but otherwise 2.5 years left at 24 mil AAV) Reds Frankie Montas (RENTAL)
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Post by asm18 on Jul 26, 2024 11:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 26, 2024 11:44:15 GMT -5
Orioles finally purging some of their depth.
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