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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 26, 2024 11:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by nonothing on Jul 26, 2024 12:01:31 GMT -5
He's a really interesting QO case. If he ends the season as projected he'll be at 3+ WAR. Everyone that good last year who was eligible received a QO. But he doesn't really have a strong track record outside of this year, particularly health wise, and as you say Teoscar Hernandez was probably similar-ish in value and got a deal only worth about as much as a QO despite not having to deal with one attached to him. Gurriel Jr. was also similar-ish in value and got a better deal than the QO though, and O'Neill would be both younger and coming off a better season than both of them. I'd guess given his health O'Neill would prefer a multi-year deal at a lower AAV, but who knows. There's other factors here too though. For instance what does Yoshida do the rest of the way? There's a scenario where he's good enough to get off the contract without giving anything up and then maybe the Red Sox prefer O'Neill's righty bat at DH (and the added defensive flexibility and the lesser overall commitment). Yes, I really have no idea what to make of his potential market. Gurriel, Soler and Hernandez are probably the closest comps from last season but none had the QO attached. With the QO we've seen that really hampers a guys market. They could always QO him and if he rejects still work out a for 2-3 years at a lesser AAV though. Either way still a lot of questions out there that we don't have the answers to as fans, I.E. how much can they actually spend, can they get off Yoshida's contract, would they want O'Neill for more than a year or two with who they have coming up through the minors etc. As others pointed out I did underestimate the downgrade of a guy like Canha vs O'Neill. Another question obviously is what would O'Neill actually bring back in a trade as a rental? I could see it being no more than than a controlled BP arm to as much as a controlled SP with upside so who knows. Chances are they hang on to O'Neill if I had to make a guess on it though. None of those guys are good defensively. Do we think TON now has no real defensive value? I haven't seen his stats but historical a very good defender.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 26, 2024 12:03:08 GMT -5
Yes, I really have no idea what to make of his potential market. Gurriel, Soler and Hernandez are probably the closest comps from last season but none had the QO attached. With the QO we've seen that really hampers a guys market. They could always QO him and if he rejects still work out a for 2-3 years at a lesser AAV though. Either way still a lot of questions out there that we don't have the answers to as fans, I.E. how much can they actually spend, can they get off Yoshida's contract, would they want O'Neill for more than a year or two with who they have coming up through the minors etc. As others pointed out I did underestimate the downgrade of a guy like Canha vs O'Neill. Another question obviously is what would O'Neill actually bring back in a trade as a rental? I could see it being no more than than a controlled BP arm to as much as a controlled SP with upside so who knows. Chances are they hang on to O'Neill if I had to make a guess on it though. None of those guys are good defensively. Do we think TON now has no real defensive value? I haven't seen his stats but historical a very good defender. This and also if the team got Canha he would be starting @ 1B, not the OF, so he wouldn’t be taking ABs away from O’Neill.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 26, 2024 14:12:59 GMT -5
Whelmed, I actually did know about Moises Bolivar that said he isn't as impressive as the top DSL guys and we needed another arm.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 15:25:50 GMT -5
With the Rangers not selling, the Blue Jays not inclined to move their non-rental pitchers, and Garrett Crochet’s agents publicly screwing over the White Sox in the funniest way possible, this list gets a lot less sexy very quickly. White Sox Crochet (2.5 years - ARB) 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ - agent says he wants an extension or won’t pitch in OctoberFedde (1.5 years - 7.5 mil AAV) Angels Tyler Anderson (1.5 years - 13 mil AAV) Griffin Canning (1.5 years - ARB) Reid Detmers (AAA) - (3 years - ARb eligible after this year) - has been banished to AAA Tigers Jack Flaherty (RENTAL) Tarik Skubal - GODFATHER OFFERS ONLY (2.5 years ARB)Blue Jays Kikuchi (RENTAL) Rays Zach Efflin (1.5 years - 18 mil AAV next year) Zack Littell (1.5 years - ARB Rockies Cal Quantril (1.5 years - Arb) Cubs Jamison Taillon (2.5 years - 18 mil AAV) Giants Blake Snell (RENTAL…? He has 2025 player option that is about 28-29 AAV but half is deferred until 2027. Cannot be QO’d this winter…) Alex Cobb (RENTAL - finishing rehab soon) Robbie Ray (could opt out after this year but otherwise 2.5 years left at 24 mil AAV) Reds Frankie Montas (RENTAL) No surprise the Rangers aren't selling. They'll have a better roster in April 2025 than they had in October 2023 without doing anything. Crochet's agent's demands in no way dampen my desire for him. I hope they extend him immediately after acquiring him, then tell him, "We're fully invested in you now. Meet Bailey in his office tomorrow as soon as you get to the park to map out your role in the bullpen for the rest of the season."
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Post by trotman on Jul 26, 2024 15:42:42 GMT -5
Woah Eflin to the Orioles per Rosenthal
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 26, 2024 15:47:19 GMT -5
Woah Eflin to the Orioles per Rosenthal Interesting. Wonder what the cost is. Would think they'd have to pay an inner division tax so to speak.
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Post by cdj on Jul 26, 2024 15:49:11 GMT -5
Yimi Garcia to the Mariners
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Post by trotman on Jul 26, 2024 15:49:13 GMT -5
Woah Eflin to the Orioles per Rosenthal Interesting. Wonder what the cost is. Would think they'd have to pay an inner division tax so to speak. Passan said 3 prospects. Not sure if I want it to hurt the Orioles more since its in the division
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Post by trotman on Jul 26, 2024 15:51:20 GMT -5
Yimi Garcia to the Mariners Looks like that's for Jonaton (not Jonathon) Clase who just got recalled by the Mariners. Top 10 prospect in their system.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 26, 2024 15:52:25 GMT -5
Interesting. Wonder what the cost is. Would think they'd have to pay an inner division tax so to speak. Passan said 3 prospects. Not sure if I want it to hurt the Orioles more since its in the division They gave up: #10: Mac Horvath #17: Jackson Baumeister #NR: Matthew Etzel (is #30 in BA mid-season update) (this is all according to Pipeline)
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Post by trotman on Jul 26, 2024 15:54:45 GMT -5
Passan said 3 prospects. Not sure if I want it to hurt the Orioles more since its in the division Jackson Baumeister, Matthew Etzel and Mac Horvath Horvath fits right in with the Rays, he can play all over the field.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 26, 2024 15:56:06 GMT -5
The Tigers should just be texting AJ Preller and the Padres photoshopped pictures of Jack Flaherty standing in different Los Angeles landmarks wearing a Dodgers hat for like 48 straight hours until he snaps
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Post by cba82 on Jul 26, 2024 15:58:07 GMT -5
Rockies Cal Quantril (1.5 years - Arb)
Let’s trade for Cal, that would be fun.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 26, 2024 16:01:49 GMT -5
The spreadsheets think Clase is kind of a bum but still seems pretty steep for 12 Yimi Garcia innings
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 16:02:07 GMT -5
Is Eflin good?
My very basic shorthand for assessing a SP's season is to check their number of starts with 0-1, 2-3, or 4+ ER allowed. Eflin clocks in this year at 6, 7, and 6. Meh.
Paxton is at 8, 6, and 4. Clearly, Eflin eats more innings than Paxton but I like Paxton for a 17-yo better than Eflin for three prospects.
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Post by trotman on Jul 26, 2024 16:03:25 GMT -5
Rockies Cal Quantril (1.5 years - Arb) Let’s trade for Cal, that would be fun. We have different definitions of fun. I don't want Pivetta on steroids and pretty sure Raffy would kill him.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 16:04:19 GMT -5
Rockies Cal Quantril (1.5 years - Arb) Let’s trade for Cal, that would be fun. Reese could be his personal catcher...
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 26, 2024 16:06:07 GMT -5
Is Eflin good? My very basic shorthand for assessing a SP's season is to check their number of starts with 0-1, 2-3, or 4+ ER allowed. Eflin clocks in this year at 6, 7, and 6. Meh. Paxton is at 8, 6, and 4. Clearly, Eflin eats more innings than Paxton but I like Paxton for a 17-yo better than Eflin for three prospects. Eflin has a 4.09 ERA/3.65 FIP while Paxton has a 4.43 ERA/4.96 FIP, Eflin is also coming off a fairly good season, that's why the price difference.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 26, 2024 16:12:14 GMT -5
Rockies Cal Quantril (1.5 years - Arb) Let’s trade for Cal, that would be fun. We have different definitions of fun. I don't want Pivetta on steroids and pretty sure Raffy would kill him. The real question is would the boys hold him down while Reese finished? Imagine he would have to throw to Reese at some point. That's when the real fireworks would happen.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 26, 2024 16:16:03 GMT -5
O's getting Eflin should presumably take them out of the running for Taillon, no?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 26, 2024 16:16:56 GMT -5
Eflin is good. He's got like 3.5 WAR and $17 million left on that deal.
That package doesn't seem insane to me or anything. Horvath and Baumeister were 2nd round college picks last year. Once they've been pros for a year and they're just kinda doing fine in A-Ball they've already lost a lot of their draft day value even if they're not rapidly flaming out.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 26, 2024 16:19:27 GMT -5
My initial impression of these prospects is I think I would’ve been on board with the Red Sox giving out their equivalent. Though giving the Rays prospects is scary always
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 26, 2024 16:21:09 GMT -5
My initial impression of these prospects is I think I would’ve been on board with the Red Sox giving out their equivalent. Though giving the Rays prospects is scary always probably something like... Zanetello or Castro/Wikelman/Coffey? atleast by prospect rankings/positions, I'd consider it.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 26, 2024 16:25:09 GMT -5
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