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Post by cheers on Jul 3, 2024 20:49:54 GMT -5
Watching Duran field that lazy fly to center. Truly EVERYTHING has evolved in his game, except his arm. Is there precedent for a guy developing a cannon? He's defied all my expectations so far. Is this possible? I think no. Someone give me hope? Mookie's arm was marginal when he first moved to RF. Abreu's arm has taken a leap forward this year over last. That said Abreau's arm was very good last year and Duran's arm isn't weak. I genuinely appreciate the effort to boost my hopes, but I think the gap is a little wider than that - and Duran's arm is not a ton better than Ellsbury's. I've been wrong repeatedly, and by ENORMOUS margins on Jarren, so I'm hoping the trend continues.
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Post by cheers on Jul 3, 2024 20:51:20 GMT -5
I really think this team is a #4 SP acquisition away from being in the playoffs, and they are VERY dangerous in the playoffs (my preseason pick was 74 wins). Really excited about this bunch. I feel like if we got there that our bullpen as currently constructed would probably be deeper than we’ve had in a while. Zach Kelly -> Bernie -> Slaten -> Martin -> Kenley. In 2021 it was basically Whitlock as the only reliable guy, Houck and Pivetta with some insane multi-inning performances out of the pen, and then… some shaky options. (coughHanselRoblescough) In 2018 you could trust Barnes, Braiser, Joe Kelly, but your closer was abominable… 2013 Koji was automatic, Tazawa was nails, and Breslow was trustworthy. Beyond that group was meh. Right now they’re 5 deep in terms of relievers I trust in a big game. YES. This team as a WC3 is a terror.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 3, 2024 20:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by strike23 on Jul 3, 2024 21:03:21 GMT -5
I really think this team is a #4 SP acquisition away from being in the playoffs, and they are VERY dangerous in the playoffs (my preseason pick was 74 wins). Really excited about this bunch. I feel like if we got there that our bullpen as currently constructed would probably be deeper than we’ve had in a while. Zach Kelly -> Bernie -> Slaten -> Martin -> Kenley. In 2021 it was basically Whitlock as the only reliable guy, Houck and Pivetta with some insane multi-inning performances out of the pen, and then… some shaky options. (coughHanselRoblescough) In 2018 you could trust Barnes, Braiser, Joe Kelly, but your closer was abominable… 2013 Koji was automatic, Tazawa was nails, and Breslow was trustworthy. Beyond that group was meh. Right now they’re 5 deep in terms of relievers I trust in a big game. Hendriks hopefully coming back strong too
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 3, 2024 21:44:34 GMT -5
Hear me, People of soxprospects! I hereby announce I am giving Bello my “Jarren Duran Stamp of Faith.” Like Duran, his talent is off the charts. And like Duran (I think) he just needs a confidence boost to breakout. It will come. By the end of this year (or early next year), he will click and not look back. 🚂 Glad you are on board, lol.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2024 21:54:33 GMT -5
Rookie of the year lead candidate at this point? I'd have him 4th on the Red Sox.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2024 21:55:38 GMT -5
Good to see the Sox bounce back with 3 wins after 3 losses. Hope they complete the sweep against the lowly Marlins who minus that promising young pitching staff they had before all those injuries, are no more than a minor league team at this point.
I know the Marlins struck gold in 1997 and 2003, but I've gotta say - that 1993 expansion draft produced two weak franchises with the Marlins and Rockies, neither team ever having an extended run of success during all this time.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 3, 2024 22:23:20 GMT -5
In 2018 you could trust Barnes, Braiser, Joe Kelly, but your closer was abominable… In 2018 Kimberly was very good for the majority of the season it was the playoffs where he really came undone. He’d been his nasty self until then. I guess my point is no reliever ever is really guaranteed. Heck, Mo Rivera blew three saves in 2004.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 3, 2024 22:40:01 GMT -5
Rookie of the year lead candidate at this point? I'd have him 4th on the Red Sox. The one big difference is that CR is going to play all of the games. He will gain value. And he had the horible start. He is trending up up. Hamilton and Abrau are nice stories and hopfully keep it up but the ABs and innings will not be the same as CR
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 3, 2024 22:49:50 GMT -5
@tylermilliken_ 'Alex Cora confirms Brayan Bello asked to bring the 4-seamer back this week.
Andrew Bailey and the coaching staff will help him continue to develop/utilize it.
Threw 11 total out of 91 pitches. Just happy Bello is finding a way to get comfortable again.'
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 4, 2024 3:17:18 GMT -5
@tylermilliken_ 'Alex Cora confirms Brayan Bello asked to bring the 4-seamer back this week. Andrew Bailey and the coaching staff will help him continue to develop/utilize it. Threw 11 total out of 91 pitches. Just happy Bello is finding a way to get comfortable again.' Like I said after last game...you have to let him figure it out. Everyone wanted to send him to AAA. That's not how you build confidence in a young SP. You have to live through the growing pains. Look how Houck turned out!!!
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Post by cba82 on Jul 4, 2024 6:10:23 GMT -5
I’m ready to give Niko a chance at first base.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 4, 2024 8:43:53 GMT -5
IMO, the Red Sox are a better team than the Twins and Royals. Houston passes Seattle for West lead, and Seattle drops behind Boston. This would result in the Red Sox as the second wild-card. The Yankees are not very good outside of Judge and Soto along with some of their pitching. IMO, they are nearly always overrated. The only question is MFY a little overrated or a lot…..and I would say usually they are closer to a lot overrated, because the media loves them. The bottom line is that the Red Sox look like they should be in the playoffs this year, IMO.
All that said, I would like to see more days of rest for the starters. If that means bringing up Criswell or Fitts at some point for a start or two, I think it would be very beneficial for the quality of the starts down the stretch.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 4, 2024 8:59:03 GMT -5
Your “1 pm game after a night out on South Beach” lineup:
Duran CF Hamilton 2B O’Neill LF Devers 3B Abreu RF Yoshida DH McGuire C Smith 1B Rafaela SS
Happy 4th all! 🇺🇸
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Post by itinerantherb on Jul 4, 2024 10:34:56 GMT -5
Yoshida is 11/25 in the last seven games. If he's really turned a corner, it makes the lineup soooo much deeper.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 4, 2024 11:25:34 GMT -5
Yoshida is 11/25 in the last seven games. If he's really turned a corner, it makes the lineup soooo much deeper. Only 2 extra base hits in there, hopefully he can start driving the ball again soon.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 4, 2024 11:50:12 GMT -5
Yoshida is 11/25 in the last seven games. If he's really turned a corner, it makes the lineup soooo much deeper. let's hope, because hope is all we got at this point. I make no claim to being able to tell the future, but I get the sense that the best of Yoshi has passed us by. Not faulting him, I am sure he is doing everything he can. I expect the OBP will always be respectable, but visions of a huge power uptick is most likely castles in the air. The Sox should be actively shopping him. The DH position can't sustain power outages and it doesn't appear as if he is getting many OF reps. Add that with cutting in on Hamiton's at bats, I am fine with any move out of town. Not meaning to be harsh here.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 4, 2024 12:01:13 GMT -5
Yoshida has something like a 128 wRC+ this season not counting his first 9 games coming back from the IL. (He had gotten just two rehab starts.)
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 4, 2024 12:05:55 GMT -5
Yoshida has something like a 128 wRC+ this season not counting his first 9 games coming back from the IL. (He had gotten just two rehab starts.) and how many HR's ? I mean, you want him up when it comes to hit a 3 run HR to get a lead ? No disrespect to that stat, but the power isn't there and he is DH'ing. It is gonna hurt the team over the long haul. Can't expect him or anyone to drive in runs with singles because there are guys on. I would rather have him sell out now, or at least when he feels he is capable of doing so.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 4, 2024 12:07:22 GMT -5
Yoshida has something like a 128 wRC+ this season not counting his first 9 games coming back from the IL. (He had gotten just two rehab starts.) and how many HR's ? I mean, you want him up when it comes to hit a 3 run HR to get a lead ? No disrespect to that stat, but the power isn't there and he is DH'ing. It is gonna hurt the team over the long haul. Can't expect him or anyone to drive in runs with singles because there are guys on. I would rather have his sell out now, or at least when he feels he is capable of doing so. It doesn’t necessarily hurt the team. Offense is offense and there’s different ways to skin the cat. It might not be your personal preference to watch but that doesn’t make it any less effective.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 4, 2024 12:10:48 GMT -5
Yoshida is 11/25 in the last seven games. If he's really turned a corner, it makes the lineup soooo much deeper. He'd be hitting cleanup for the Yankees.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 4, 2024 12:11:32 GMT -5
and how many HR's ? I mean, you want him up when it comes to hit a 3 run HR to get a lead ? No disrespect to that stat, but the power isn't there and he is DH'ing. It is gonna hurt the team over the long haul. Can't expect him or anyone to drive in runs with singles because there are guys on. I would rather have his sell out now, or at least when he feels he is capable of doing so. It doesn’t necessarily hurt the team. Offense is offense and there’s different ways to skin the cat. It might not be your personal preference to watch but that doesn’t make it any less effective. it definitely hurts the team. Especially when looking though the prism of his performance vs the other team's DH. He has to hit with some power, the DH position hasn't changed that much. addL he has hit 17 HR's in near 700 Sox at bats, I am sorry (not trying to pile on the guy), that isn't good enough.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 4, 2024 12:16:17 GMT -5
It doesn’t necessarily hurt the team. Offense is offense and there’s different ways to skin the cat. It might not be your personal preference to watch but that doesn’t make it any less effective. it definitely hurts the team. Especially when looking though the prism of his performance vs the other team's DH. He has to hit with some power, the DH position hasn't changed that much. addL he has hit 17 HR's in 800 Sox at bats, I am sorry (not trying to pile on the guy), that isn't good enough. Youre just stating something as fact when it isn’t so. A good hitter is a good hitter period. There is no law that a DH must be a power hitter instead of an on base machine. Now I’m not yet certain Yoshida is a good enough overall hitter to keep at DH for the remainder of his contract, maybe they have to dump him, but if he’s a 30% above average league hitter I don’t care if it comes more from contact than power, and if all we’re talking about is winning games then you shouldn’t either. I’ll drop it here though because this isn’t something we’re ever gonna agree on and no one wants to argue on the 4th of July, we’re all rooting for the same thing in the end
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Post by incandenza on Jul 4, 2024 12:16:43 GMT -5
Yoshida has something like a 128 wRC+ this season not counting his first 9 games coming back from the IL. (He had gotten just two rehab starts.) and how many HR's ? I mean, you want him up when it comes to hit a 3 run HR to get a lead ? No disrespect to that stat, but the power isn't there and he is DH'ing. It is gonna hurt the team over the long haul. Can't expect him or anyone to drive in runs with singles because there are guys on. I would rather have him sell out now, or at least when he feels he is capable of doing so. Yeah, I wouldn't say his power is great, but is that a particular problem for a team that is 11th in the majors in homers? They don't really need him to hit homers, especially once Casas gets back. They just need him to get on base.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 4, 2024 12:22:19 GMT -5
that is fine fellas. I am not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water, though, you stick with your version of DH, I will stick with mine.
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