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7/26-7/28 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by thelpc on Jul 27, 2024 22:28:37 GMT -5
There are at least 14 guys on the roster that have no business being on a MLB team contending for the post season. Until that gets fixed this team is screwed. Would also be nice if the manager lit a fire under the team instead of sitting in the dugout doing nothing Name them. All 14
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Post by incandenza on Jul 27, 2024 22:29:06 GMT -5
If Martin wasn't hurt *or* Slaten wasn't hurt *or* Weissert hadn't regressed horribly *or* Bernardino hadn't regressed horribly *or* Kenley hadn't regressed horribly they'd have at least 3 more wins since the all-star break. But all 5 of those things have happened.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 22:29:11 GMT -5
Even worse than I thought - from NESN site "Boston’s bullpen issues are glaring at the moment. The Red Sox have now blown a lead in the seventh inning or later in seven out of eight games since the All-Star break." That doesn’t actually matter though, because the trade deadline is 2 days from now, so it’s fine, don’t worry about those losses that surely won’t affect a wild card chase that we’re a game back of right now.
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Post by briam on Jul 27, 2024 22:29:30 GMT -5
Everybody saying wait. Waiting has coat em 3 or 4 games this week. They’ve likely had trades on the table but the asks have been for way too much, i.e. the big 4. There’s a careful balance here to strike deals at the right time so you don’t overpay by a crazy amount. Other than Esteves, have any of the reliever trades really been that steep of a price? Even the Puk deal seemed reasonable and wasn’t the equivalent of Boston’s big 4/5.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 22:30:44 GMT -5
And with every loss like tonight’s the other teams have better bargaining power. So what exactly is your solution here? Overpay for the sake of getting a deal done? You don’t really seem to get how trades, work. You can’t just force your will on another team, if you want to make trades happen more quickly you have to overpay and then you and the same group of people who throw a hissy fit after each loss would complain at the overpayment. It’s a no-win situation if you’re not going to actually take a breath and think about how the industry works beyond the surface level. There have been at least 4 trades for high leverage relievers made in the last 12 hours. One was done for KC and DC last week. Why everyone seems to think that no one is willing to make trades right now is beyond me. I’ve had enough of these deadlines where no improvements were made to the team. Expend some prospect capital to give them an actual shot at contention, because they don’t have it the way this bullpen has been blowing it every night
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 27, 2024 22:33:05 GMT -5
Some thoughts: 1. Hurt and pissed. 2. When I heard about the Jansen trade this afternoon, I wondered what the point was. After watching Wong flagrantly trying to jerk pitches into the strike zone, I understood it. 3. TON's defensive metrics aren't terrible, but he too often looks awkward and hesitant in the OF. I like him on the '25 team as a DH on a two- or three-year deal. 4. Since I don't expect to get much sleep tonight after this loss, maybe I'll think of a play I've seen in my lifetime of watching this game that was more dumb-ass than Little Raffy getting caught off 3rd base. I should add that I still want Wong to get a lot of playing time. I've said as far back as last year that I think he's athletic enough to walk into a super-utility role and be useful. He could have saved them a lot of Bobby D., Dommer, Westbrook and Cooper PAs here in '24.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 27, 2024 22:33:40 GMT -5
So what exactly is your solution here? Overpay for the sake of getting a deal done? You don’t really seem to get how trades, work. You can’t just force your will on another team, if you want to make trades happen more quickly you have to overpay and then you and the same group of people who throw a hissy fit after each loss would complain at the overpayment. It’s a no-win situation if you’re not going to actually take a breath and think about how the industry works beyond the surface level. There have been at least 4 trades for high leverage relievers made in the last 12 hours. One was done for KC and DC last week. Why everyone seems to think that no one is willing to make trades right now is beyond me. I’ve had enough of these deadlines where no improvements were made to the team. Expend some prospect capital to give them an actual shot at contention, because they don’t have it the way this bullpen has been blowing it every night and half of those trades were brutal overpays. There’s a balance here, and I have the feeling you’re just gonna be miserable either way. You do you, it really isn’t that serious
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Post by markm7 on Jul 27, 2024 22:35:04 GMT -5
There are at least 14 guys on the roster that have no business being on a MLB team contending for the post season. Until that gets fixed this team is screwed. Would also be nice if the manager lit a fire under the team instead of sitting in the dugout doing nothing Name them. All 14 Hamilton, Gonzalez, Westbrook, Refsnyder, McGuire, Crawford, Criswell, Pivetta, Bernardino, Kelly, Weissert, Anderson, Horn, Booser
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 22:35:12 GMT -5
There have been at least 4 trades for high leverage relievers made in the last 12 hours. One was done for KC and DC last week. Why everyone seems to think that no one is willing to make trades right now is beyond me. I’ve had enough of these deadlines where no improvements were made to the team. Expend some prospect capital to give them an actual shot at contention, because they don’t have it the way this bullpen has been blowing it every night and half of those trades were brutal overpays. There’s a balance here, and I have the feeling you’re just gonna be miserable either way. You do you, it really isn’t that serious I loved the way that Bloom ran this team, but the idea of “overpay” had gotten off the rails in baseball, and in this forum. You don’t have to win every single trade for years down the road, sometimes you trade a win a couple years from now for extra wins in the current season. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 27, 2024 22:39:31 GMT -5
Baseball is so much fun. Even when your team loses to the Yankees
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 22:39:40 GMT -5
How quickly do people think completing a trade negotiation (with teams that have PLENTY of suitors), getting it processed by the Commissioner’s Office, flying that player to Boston, and having them take a physical before everything is official all actually takes
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 22:42:57 GMT -5
How quickly do people think completing a trade negotiation (with teams that have PLENTY of suitors), getting it processed by the Commissioner’s Office, flying that player to Boston, and having them take a physical before everything is official all actually takes Better question: how long do you think it takes? Seranthony Dominguez was traded for on Friday and active for today’s game in Baltimore
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 27, 2024 22:43:29 GMT -5
Hamilton, Gonzalez, Westbrook, Refsnyder, McGuire, Crawford, Criswell, Pivetta, Bernardino, Kelly, Weissert, Anderson, Horn, Booser Find one post season team this century that didn’t have two players worse than the best two players on this list
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 27, 2024 22:44:11 GMT -5
Hamilton, Gonzalez, Westbrook, Refsnyder, McGuire, Crawford, Criswell, Pivetta, Bernardino, Kelly, Weissert, Anderson, Horn, Booser At an absolute minimum, half of those names are absurd and a couple of others are a stretch. You really think Hamilton, RobRef, Crawford, Criswell and Pivetta aren't good enough for a contending team's roster? If the Red Sox were sellers and made it clear any one of those guys was available, they'd get multiple offers.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 22:48:11 GMT -5
How quickly do people think completing a trade negotiation (with teams that have PLENTY of suitors), getting it processed by the Commissioner’s Office, flying that player to Boston, and having them take a physical before everything is official all actually takes Better question: how long do you think it takes? Seranthony Dominguez was traded for on Friday and active for today’s game in Baltimore Insofar as commutes go for changing teams Philly to Baltimore is like an hour and a half 😁
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 22:50:19 GMT -5
Better question: how long do you think it takes? Seranthony Dominguez was traded for on Friday and active for today’s game in Baltimore Insofar as commutes go for changing teams Philly to Baltimore is like an hour and a half 😁 I’m pretty sure that any city a baseball player is in would be able to get a flight to another city with a baseball team in it. It’s not like they’re playing in rural Texas haha
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 22:54:23 GMT -5
Insofar as commutes go for changing teams Philly to Baltimore is like an hour and a half 😁 I’m pretty sure that any city a baseball player is in would be able to get a flight to another city with a baseball team in it. It’s not like they’re playing in rural Texas haha I’m being facetious but my point was you don’t just have a back-breaking loss and simply just go out and beg for a reliever and get one right on your doorstep. I get people want new relievers - I do too! - but this isn’t like going to Target to pick one up and Craig is just being too lazy to do it
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 22:59:59 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure that any city a baseball player is in would be able to get a flight to another city with a baseball team in it. It’s not like they’re playing in rural Texas haha I’m being facetious but my point was you don’t just have a back-breaking loss and simply just go out and beg for a reliever and get one right on your doorstep. I get people want new relievers - I do too! - but this isn’t like going to Target to pick one up and Craig is just being too lazy to do it I hear ya, but I think that what most of us are saying is that it isn’t one heart breaking loss, it’s like 3 or 4 of them now. The injuries to Martin and Slaten happened before the all star break, so there’s been plenty of time to make a trade. It’s now cost 3-4 wins, which is enough to miss the playoffs
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 23:11:03 GMT -5
I hear ya, but I think that what most of us are saying is that it isn’t one heart breaking loss, it’s like 3 or 4 of them now. The injuries to Martin and Slaten happened before the all star break, so there’s been plenty of time to make a trade. It’s now cost 3-4 wins, which is enough to miss the playoffs Yeah, it sucks. There’s a big self-inflicted wound here from not adding more pitching depth and from the pitchers themselves. But they can’t go back in time and change that. They’re 100% going to add arms - they’ve made their intention of that very clear. All they can control right now is what arms they look to get in the next two and a half days, and the team is gonna have to scratch and claw until that happens. That’s the situation. Fortunately, this team don’t quit and I don’t think it’s going to faze them
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Post by thelpc on Jul 27, 2024 23:22:13 GMT -5
Hamilton, Gonzalez, Westbrook, Refsnyder, McGuire, Crawford, Criswell, Pivetta, Bernardino, Kelly, Weissert, Anderson, Horn, Booser I’m amazed your internet connection is good enough to use website considering you live under a bridge with the rest of the trolls
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 27, 2024 23:40:17 GMT -5
Hamilton, Gonzalez, Westbrook, Refsnyder, McGuire, Crawford, Criswell, Pivetta, Bernardino, Kelly, Weissert, Anderson, Horn, Booser - Rob Refsnyder, hitting .311 with a 139 OPS+ doesn't deserve to be on a playoff roster? - David Hamilton .263 with a 97 OPS+ and tied for the AL lead in steals doesn't deserve to be on a playoff roster? - Romy Gonzalez .284, 104 OPS+, he's not starter quality sure but like, he's been a great backup. - Kutter Crawford sucked tonight, but on the season has a 3.57 ERA. - Nick Pivetta has a 4.50 ERA which isn't great, but also has a 3.79 FIP and 3.34 xFIP - Zack Kelly has a 2.48 ERA on the season, he sucked yesterday but has been nails. The only guys on that list that I want off the roster tomorrow are McGuire which is going to happen, Westbrook who I'm not really sure why he's still here, and Horn/Weissert/Anderson will get sorted out when Slaten, Martin and hopefully a deadline add are thrown into th emix.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 27, 2024 23:46:27 GMT -5
Hamilton, Gonzalez, Westbrook, Refsnyder, McGuire, Crawford, Criswell, Pivetta, Bernardino, Kelly, Weissert, Anderson, Horn, Booser This is absurd. I cant quit laughing. Ill give you westbrook anderson and horn ( the other 11 all have positive WAR. Some quite high). Maybe booser and Mcguire. The reat can make a case. That said we have Paxton and Jansen on the way. Slaton and Martin presumably close. Maybe Hendricks. Grissom and Casas to.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 27, 2024 23:51:05 GMT -5
And Bernie, Booser and Criswell have all been fine.
I think we found a
"Ownership doesnt care about winning, This team is lucky to win 50 games, Breslow is just another Bloom trying to make us Tampa North.... WEEI and Morosi are sox experts."
GUy
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 0:08:06 GMT -5
Glad I didnt waste my time watching extra innings. If you cant get out Grisham to win the game, you deserve to lose. So they've let him, Kiké Hernandez in the same game twice beat them, and Sam the slugger Hilliard beat them. Its embarrassing.
Anybody notice Kenley Jansen hasn't been the same since pitching his 2nd inning of relief last during the last game before the all star break? He can't pitch 2 innings no matter how much rest he has.
He's been failing and the entire middle relief corps have been failing. Yes, they miss Martin and Slaten, but they all shouldn't suck this bad.
Also dont understand pitching Anderson over Criswell. The guy is a torch. I hope they DFA him.
Absolutely disgusting. The good news is they dont have to pass Baltimore and New York. Just pass KC or Minnesota. They still can do that but they gotta stop shooting themselves in the foot.
I hope they dont have to get ripped off to improve this f'd up bullpen which has absolutely killed them.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 28, 2024 7:38:06 GMT -5
I’m being facetious but my point was you don’t just have a back-breaking loss and simply just go out and beg for a reliever and get one right on your doorstep. I get people want new relievers - I do too! - but this isn’t like going to Target to pick one up and Craig is just being too lazy to do it I hear ya, but I think that what most of us are saying is that it isn’t one heart breaking loss, it’s like 3 or 4 of them now. The injuries to Martin and Slaten happened before the all star break, so there’s been plenty of time to make a trade. It’s now cost 3-4 wins, which is enough to miss the playoffs These games have not only been lost by the pen. For example, the 4-1 loss to the Dodgers out of the break feels like a pen failure because they blew a late lead, but the offense scored one run in 9 innings. Multiple games had physical or mental errors that deprived us of a win in regulation, thereby taxing the pen further and giving them more opportunities to allow runs. Then there's Cora's persistent mismanagement, which will grind a good or bad pen into the ground just the same; I don't think it's a coincidence how many guys have fallen off lately. They are about to have their 6th game in the last 9 against a LHP. Improving the lineup against LHPs would have given the pen more margin for error, and Breslow has done that. He also improved the pen with the Paxton trade and moving Criswell to the pen. Breslow is doing exactly what he should be doing.
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