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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 29, 2024 14:07:47 GMT -5
How am I not shocked that you’d have the most wild and inaccurate commentary on this trade. 7 starts 3-1 3.21 ERA 1.07 whip level passed Not to mention how water downed AAA is according to everyone. It’s a waste of time He clearly has some things to work on that Bailey and Co want him to work on. Plus as already mentioned, you retain an extra year of control if you hold him off the MLB roster for another couple of weeks. However, calling Crawford and Pivetta bums is literally such a bad take that I’m not sure where to even start.
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Post by markm7 on Jul 29, 2024 14:09:18 GMT -5
7 starts 3-1 3.21 ERA 1.07 whip level passed Not to mention how water downed AAA is according to everyone. It’s a waste of time He clearly has some things to work on that Bailey and Co want him to work on. Plus as already mentioned, you retain an extra year of control if you hold him off the MLB roster for another couple of weeks. However, calling Crawford and Pivetta bums is literally such a bad take that I’m not sure where to even start. No you don’t his clock has already started. That only applies to guys not pass rookie limits
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:09:38 GMT -5
One interesting aspect of the deal is that when you think of the 2025 rotation you pencil in a quintet of Houck, Crawford, Bello, Giolito, and Priester, meaning they probably dont need to spend money to retain Pivetta.
Really, they should give Burnes a huge offer. It would make them six deep in the rotation with 2 veterans and 4 younger guys. Injuries will occur to whittle the rotation number down to 5, but they can find depth options to go with Criswell who I forgot about.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 29, 2024 14:10:05 GMT -5
He clearly has some things to work on that Bailey and Co want him to work on. Plus as already mentioned, you retain an extra year of control if you hold him off the MLB roster for another couple of weeks. However, calling Crawford and Pivetta bums is literally such a bad take that I’m not sure where to even start. No you don’t his clock has already started. That only applies to guys not pass rookie limits No it doesn’t. Multiple comments have addressed this.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 29, 2024 14:11:11 GMT -5
Didn’t read through the thread yet so someone may have said this but this guy sounds almost like the Nick Yorke of pitching prospects
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Post by markm7 on Jul 29, 2024 14:11:48 GMT -5
No you don’t his clock has already started. That only applies to guys not pass rookie limits No it doesn’t. Multiple comments have addressed this. He’s been in the league for a month after already being up earlier this year and pitching last year. His clock has started what are we doing here 😂😂😂
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:12:16 GMT -5
He clearly has some things to work on that Bailey and Co want him to work on. Plus as already mentioned, you retain an extra year of control if you hold him off the MLB roster for another couple of weeks. However, calling Crawford and Pivetta bums is literally such a bad take that I’m not sure where to even start. No you don’t his clock has already started. That only applies to guys not pass rookie limits They get him for an extra year if they keep him in the minors for a month. He needs 172 days of service. He's around 133. He stays down for a month they get an extra year of control. Read mlbtraderumors.com if you dont believe me
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:12:41 GMT -5
Didn’t read through the thread yet so someone may have said this but this guy sounds almost like the Nick Yorke of pitching prospects Kind of a good assessment.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 29, 2024 14:13:16 GMT -5
His delivery kind of reminds me of Garrett Whitlock.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 29, 2024 14:13:32 GMT -5
No you don’t his clock has already started. That only applies to guys not pass rookie limits They get him for an extra year if they keep him in the minors for a month. He needs 172 days of service. He's around 133. He stays down for a month they get an extra year of control. Read mlbtraderumors.com if you dont believe me Expecting this man to read seems to be a big ask.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 14:13:33 GMT -5
Starting depth looks to be something like:
Houck Crawford Pivetta Bello Paxton
Criswell Priester Winck(?)
Guys who the team are counting on need to ultimately start executing better here - but we are now at least in a better spot in terms of avoiding bullpen games and/or using Triple A guys who have never played in a big league game before.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 29, 2024 14:14:01 GMT -5
Didn’t read through the thread yet so someone may have said this but this guy sounds almost like the Nick Yorke of pitching prospects Does he not field his position well? I hadn't heard that yet.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 29, 2024 14:15:13 GMT -5
This is a great thread with a lot of interesting comments on this interesting trade. But if someone says something dumb, can we just pass over it instead of turning it into a thing?
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 29, 2024 14:16:43 GMT -5
This is a great thread with a lot of interesting comments on this interesting trade. But if someone says something dumb, can we just pass over it instead of turning it into a thing? Ey, ey capt’n. Sorry — couldn’t resist.
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Post by trotman on Jul 29, 2024 14:18:44 GMT -5
How am I not shocked that you’d have the most wild and inaccurate commentary on this trade. 7 starts 3-1 3.21 ERA 1.07 whip level passed Not to mention how water downed AAA is according to everyone. It’s a waste of time I saw it on Twitter that he will get an extra year of control if he stays in Worcester until August 12th/14th? I thought it was Chris or Ian but couldn't find the tweet. Give him two weeks to figure it out for that extra year of control. Let him work in the lab. This is baseball where everything doesn't have to be so reactionary.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 29, 2024 14:18:47 GMT -5
No it doesn’t. Multiple comments have addressed this. He’s been in the league for a month after already being up earlier this year and pitching last year. His clock has started what are we doing here 😂😂😂 Terrible takes and misinformed. You bring so much value here.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 29, 2024 14:21:11 GMT -5
"Priester ... has around 133 days of major league service. It’s possible he crosses the 172-day threshold to reach a full service year in 2024, but he’d still be under control for five seasons beyond this one. If the Sox send him down to Triple-A Worcester at any point, that could push his free agent timeline back and give Boston six full years of control" www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/about-tim-die-1.html
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Post by markm7 on Jul 29, 2024 14:22:48 GMT -5
They get him for an extra year if they keep him in the minors for a month. He needs 172 days of service. He's around 133. He stays down for a month they get an extra year of control. Read mlbtraderumors.com if you dont believe me Expecting this man to read seems to be a big ask. Even if it saves a year of control it doesn’t matter if he can’t figure it out in the big leagues and his best chance to figure it out is with Bailey starting the rest of the season not in AAA which blows and wasting time for some year which in all probability won’t matter
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 14:23:13 GMT -5
He’s getting better at not talking in Yale
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 29, 2024 14:25:57 GMT -5
Since he has 6 years of control left I think it’s still fair to play this game
If he were prospect eligible, I think he’d be a lot higher on the list than 12 (Yorke).
Probably would have him in the 5-8 range
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Post by LoneStarSox on Jul 29, 2024 14:26:39 GMT -5
"Priester ... has around 133 days of major league service. It’s possible he crosses the 172-day threshold to reach a full service year in 2024, but he’d still be under control for five seasons beyond this one. If the Sox send him down to Triple-A Worcester at any point, that could push his free agent timeline back and give Boston six full years of control" www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/about-tim-die-1.htmlWildly curious if MarkM is the type of poster who admits he’s wrong (even after so fervently defending his position) or if he just goes quiet. Because the third option (dying on this hill) is ban worthy with the facts staring him in the face.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:27:06 GMT -5
Expecting this man to read seems to be a big ask. Even if it saves a year of control it doesn’t matter if he can’t figure it out in the big leagues and his best chance to figure it out is with Bailey starting the rest of the season not in AAA which blows and wasting time for some year which in all probability won’t matter That's utterly ridiculous. If he does figure it out over the next several years that extra year of control will be huge. How one could come to any other conclusion and would rather see him continue to get lit upon the majors is mind boggling.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 29, 2024 14:28:03 GMT -5
Basically I see priester coming up August 16th (to have more Control of him) and one or Houck / Crawford getting a phantom 10 day DL
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 29, 2024 14:28:34 GMT -5
Starting depth looks to be something like: Houck Crawford Pivetta Bello Paxton Criswell Priester Winck(?) Guys who the team are counting on need to ultimately start executing better here - but we are now at least in a better spot in terms of avoiding bullpen games and/or using Triple A guys who have never played in a big league game before. This applies team wide. Make the pitches, plays and get hits when its most needed. They did it for quite a stretch, but very poorly since AS break.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 14:28:51 GMT -5
Since he has 6 years of control left I think it’s still fair to play this game If he were prospect eligible, I think he’d be a lot higher on the list than 12 (Yorke). Probably would have him in the 5-8 range I would rate him our #1 pitching prospect. Wouldn't call you crazy if you still wanted to go with Perales even after TJS
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