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Post by jawnvalentin on Jul 29, 2024 13:20:35 GMT -5
The logic behind this one seems simple enough. The Red Sox need Quinn Priester's skill-set more than they need Nick Yorke's.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 29, 2024 13:21:38 GMT -5
I think one side is gonna end up really hating this trade Can’t tell which yet.. so probably a fair deal Just a hunch, but Yorke gives Michael Chavis vibes. I think the Sox won this one.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 13:24:39 GMT -5
Breslow decided Grissom is the best long term candidate for 2b rather than Yorke, although I wonder what Campbell's burst onto the scene is regarded as, but he can play OF, which Yorke really doesnt do naturally. I really hope they right. It's been one thing after another for Grissom, all in all a huge disappointment. Me, too. I think they're right though. I mean Grissom at a young age hit everywhere, consistently well over .300. Yorke raked in A ball, got hurt, struggled in AA, and was better this year but not particularly great. Then he goes to AAA and takes, but taking in Worcester is hardly a feat. Dalbec and Kavadas rake there too. Yorke is a lot younger, so yeah, its more likely to be legit, but still, how do you explain his ordinary tenure in AA? I do think Yorke will hit in the majors, maybe poor man's Todd Walker, perhaps, whatever that looks like? As a hitter I think of Grissom as Pedroia lite, so I think Pedroa lite > Walker lite, and neither one is great defensively. Grissom couldn't handle SS, but Yorke wasnt even tried there so I dont thonk either has a big defensive edge though you'd think a guy who got a chance at SS would be more athletic?
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Post by trotman on Jul 29, 2024 13:25:32 GMT -5
Pirates fans response to the trade is very similar to our feelings and response to the trade. The Pirates have a pitching logjam and seem surprised to get someone like Yorke. So Win-win
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Post by jimoh on Jul 29, 2024 13:25:41 GMT -5
After the Big Three, there are very few prospects in the Sox system that I would not trade right now for a pitcher of equivalent promise.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Jul 29, 2024 13:25:52 GMT -5
I think one side is gonna end up really hating this trade Can’t tell which yet.. so probably a fair deal Just a hunch, but Yorke gives Michael Chavis vibes. I think the Sox won this one. Nah, Yorke is way better than Chavis - those K rates were never going to play.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 29, 2024 13:27:15 GMT -5
I'm happy. Full throttle part 2 is looking better already.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 13:27:27 GMT -5
I like the idea of the trade but don't know if I'll ultimately like the trade. The Sox have surplus of 2b and there's no way Breslow traded Chris Sale to acquire Grissom just so they can give up on him so quickly after injuries and illness. Breslow decided Grissom is the best long term candidate for 2b rather than Yorke, although I wonder what Campbell's burst onto the scene is regarded as, but he can play OF, which Yorke really doesnt do naturally. So I like that they're getting a young controllable starting pitcher but I dont know what kind of ceiling Priester has and I doubt he really help the 2024 Red Sox as his numbers have been largely uninspiring. Of course he's a long term investment. I guess he has some pedigree but I dont know if they see him as a cheap back end or if they think he can be a mid rotation starter. I dont really subscribe to the Andrew Bailey and company will fix him thing as I watch the Red Sox pitching fail nightly now. Hope I'm wrong but I just ont think that the Sox have the secret sauce in Baileu that other teams dint have and I say that as a guy who likes Bailey and thinks he's doing a good job but an weary of treating him like he'll magically fix pitchers. I'm still wondering why Bello has struggled so much, when he should be improving. The idea behind the trade was good. And I hope Priester makes it 3 former Pitates who succeed in Boston joining Tim Wakefield and Bronson Arroyo, but that remains to be seen. Yorke should be useful to the Pirates, an everyday regular. I just hope Breslow made the right 2b decision. I think he did, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. They also got relief from half of Sale's contract. I don't know how married Breslow is to Grissom. I agree you don't give up on him after being plagued with injury and illness, but he might also have been "best available prospect" while also getting a team to eat 16 million for a guy who was highly questionable to give you 15 starts. I think Grissom will get his chance, but Breslow won't hesitate to move on from him if better options present themselves. He should be a good bat (Pedroia-lite), but an absolute butcher defensively that they're hoping can be somewhat fixed with regular reps at 2B. I dont think they got THAT much relief for Sale. They paid a good chunk of Sale's deal to get Grissom. But yes, if Grissom fails, theyll look elsewhere, but he will (and should) get a long leash.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jul 29, 2024 13:27:47 GMT -5
Not a fan of this trade but there was really no spot for Yorke with Duran in LF and if Grissom can stay healthy. What’s not to like? Traded from the glut of middle infielders for a pitcher who was a better prospect than Yorke ever was as recently as last year. Seems like a pretty efficient move. Not a big deal, but I don't think that is true. After his first big year in 2021 Yorke was up into the 30s in Top 100 lists I think. I'm not sure where/when Priester peaked, but he was certainly not ranked that highly last year.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 13:29:06 GMT -5
Pretty good chance Yorke's next game is in the majors it sounds like
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Post by nonothing on Jul 29, 2024 13:33:20 GMT -5
Not a fan of this trade but there was really no spot for Yorke with Duran in LF and if Grissom can stay healthy. What’s not to like? Traded from the glut of middle infielders for a pitcher who was a better prospect than Yorke ever was as recently as last year. Seems like a pretty efficient move. 100% Priester was the 18th overall pick in 2019 (out of high school) Yorke was the 17th overall pick in 2020 (out of high school) Priester was a guy we never could have gotten a year ago. This doesn't need to be Bailey magic. They need to help him acclimate to MLB and let him grow his role over time. Pitch selection, shaping, location mgmt could make this guy a stud. He has the arm talent, so let's see if it can take the next step. No guarantee Yorke's first half season would have gone any better. MLB is a big step up. I am sure the Sox believe this guy has the stuff to succeed if they did the deal. One for one swap from a position of high duplication the the system for 1st Round SP talent with full term of control is an outstanding move. Best of luck to both guys in their new organizations.
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 29, 2024 13:34:05 GMT -5
Even if you prefer yorke to grissom, both might be blocked in 12 months when we’re running a middle infield of Story and Mayer. Seems like both teams flipping former top 100 guys who fit way better into their new teams. These are the types of “buy” moves i want to see at this point.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 29, 2024 13:55:19 GMT -5
So where does he slot in the rankings - has to be above Fitts and Sandlin, no?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 13:55:29 GMT -5
Priester has been optioned to Worcester. By my count, the Red Sox will gain an extra year of control if he stays down there until August 14th. Could be off by a day or two
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jul 29, 2024 13:56:39 GMT -5
5 seasons into the organization's priority change into developing young players and we finally get our first prospect for prospect deal.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 29, 2024 13:57:23 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I don't understand how anybody is painting this as a loss or a bad trade for the Red Sox. (dunno if anyone here is, but I've seen a lot of weirdos on twitter. We're getting a guy who has been in the top 100 more recently than Yorke, and has a lot of talent, even if he's struggling to adjust to major league hitters so far, but he's 23 and controllable.
On the other hand we gave up a guy who has fringy defense, can't hit lefties for some reason, and really needs to hit to stick at the major league level but screams backup utility guy. Unless Priester is just completely broken beyond repair, I don't see how this isn't a fleece. Even if both of them work out and Yorke is the guy we thought he could be a couple years ago, Priester had legit 1-2 starter upside... I just don't get it from the Pirates angle.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 13:59:12 GMT -5
Priester has some similarities to Bello. Major prospect who is currently struggling in the majors with a really bad HR rate despite being an extreme groundball pitcher
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Post by markm7 on Jul 29, 2024 13:59:56 GMT -5
Absolutely ridiculous Priester is going to AAA when he’s already dominated the level. What are we doing here Pivetta is a bum and Crawford has never been good. Absolute embarrassment
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 29, 2024 14:01:53 GMT -5
Absolutely ridiculous Priester is going to AAA when he’s already dominated the level. What are we doing here Pivetta is a bum and Crawford has never been good. Absolute embarrassment How am I not shocked that you’d have the most wild and inaccurate commentary on this trade.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 29, 2024 14:02:22 GMT -5
Rob Refsnyder (1) 2-Run Home Run
Opponent: Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher: Quinn Priester Date: 4/19/24
Triston Casas (6) Solo Home Run
Opponent: Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher: Quinn Priester Date: 4/19/24
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 29, 2024 14:02:22 GMT -5
Priester has some similarities to Bello. Major prospect who is currently struggling in the majors with a really bad HR rate despite being an extreme groundball pitcher Bello also beat him in April if iirc, gave up a bunch of HR to us (Casas/Refsnyder, maybe a few others?)
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Post by 07redsox on Jul 29, 2024 14:03:48 GMT -5
Absolutely ridiculous Priester is going to AAA when he’s already dominated the level. What are we doing here Pivetta is a bum and Crawford has never been good. Absolute embarrassment There’s no words to describe how bad this take is regarding Pivetta and Crawford, like troll level bad. If they are serious about making the playoffs and have specific things they want Priester to work on, then you don’t do that in the majors.
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Post by markm7 on Jul 29, 2024 14:05:27 GMT -5
Absolutely ridiculous Priester is going to AAA when he’s already dominated the level. What are we doing here Pivetta is a bum and Crawford has never been good. Absolute embarrassment How am I not shocked that you’d have the most wild and inaccurate commentary on this trade. 7 starts 3-1 3.21 ERA 1.07 whip level passed Not to mention how water downed AAA is according to everyone. It’s a waste of time
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jul 29, 2024 14:05:40 GMT -5
So where does he slot in the rankings - has to be above Fitts and Sandlin, no? No longer a prospect.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 29, 2024 14:07:03 GMT -5
Rob Refsnyder (1) 2-Run Home Run Opponent: Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher: Quinn Priester Date: 4/19/24 Triston Casas (6) Solo Home Run Opponent: Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher: Quinn Priester Date: 4/19/24 He also has homered off Tarik Skubal -- are you suggesting Priester is going to develop into a stud like Skubal? Cool.
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