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Post by dirtdog on Aug 7, 2024 22:14:09 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 7, 2024 22:39:40 GMT -5
August stats of our key players - including tonight - shows pretty much everyone is hitting.
Duran .286-1-5 Rafaela .318-1-3 Devers .280-1-3 Wong .321-0-4 O'Neill .333-0-0 (1 game) Abreu .353-3-7 Masa .320-1-4 Smith .267-0-1 Sogard .263-0-2 Hamilton .385-1-3 Refsnyder .308-2-3 Jansen .285-1-1 Romy .250-2-5
Small sample size, so not too meaningful
Houck - 0-1 10.80 Crawford - 1-1 11.00 Bello 0-0 5.79 Pivetta 0-0 3.86 Paxton 1-0 3.00 Criswell 0-0 6.75 Winck 0-0 3.85 Kelly 0-0 0.00 Jansen 0-0 0.00 Booser 0-0 2.45 Bernie 1-0 6.00 Garcia 0-0 6.00 Sims 0-0 0.00
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Post by keninten on Aug 7, 2024 22:46:32 GMT -5
Big, big series against Houston coming up. They won today, they are 3 back of us, we've got 6 games against them which are crucial. We have games in hand and the tiebreaker against the Royals, all we need to do is keep winning and we'll be there. Astros we can potentially knock them out if we take 4 of 6 against them, even getting a bit of vengeance for last year's heartbreak in August. Guy easily throwing 100. Why can't we get guys like this? We've got Guerrero in the minors who can touch 100, Mata could but he's always injured, we had Ort but he sucks... Zeferjahn could but we traded him, Kelly gets close but yeah... we could use more velocity. I still think Houston will win the AL west?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 7, 2024 23:01:19 GMT -5
FanGraphs updates playoff percentages
Twins 84.6 Royals 60 Astros 59.7 Mariners 49.1 Red Sox 46
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Post by patford on Aug 7, 2024 23:04:44 GMT -5
Top half of the SP staff falling apart is not a good indicator of success going forward. Skipping a turn seemed to help Bello. It might be worth it to skip both Crawford and Houck. A triple A emergency start (Fitts? Penrod?) and a start by Criswell could hardly be worse than what Houck and Crawford have been over the past few weeks.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 8, 2024 0:18:55 GMT -5
Top half of the SP staff falling apart is not a good indicator of success going forward. Skipping a turn seemed to help Bello. It might be worth it to skip both Crawford and Houck. A triple A emergency start (Fitts? Penrod?) and a start by Criswell could hardly be worse than what Houck and Crawford have been over the past few weeks. Fitts maybe, but Penrod would require booting someone off the 40 and it isn’t abundantly clear if there’s a logical move to make that happen. There’s a chance we may Priester way earlier than we thought we would.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 8, 2024 0:27:01 GMT -5
Past Crisswell who is even an option? Keller? I wonder who is on the waiver wire?? As noted above, Fitts and Priester as they’re on the 40. I’d prefer the latter though — Fitts hasn’t looked super great this season. EDIT: I stand corrected. Fitts is not on the 40. Priester or Keller are really your only 40 man options for a starter. Perhaps we finally see a Bobby D DFA to accommodate Fitts seeing we have Dom, Casas, Romy, Wong and Sogard as viable 1B options? Westbrook might be the other DFA option, too.
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Post by cba82 on Aug 8, 2024 8:05:06 GMT -5
Is starter fatigue somehow affecting the Red Sox more than other teams? It’s not like they’ve been used/abused like Billy Martin used to do in Oakland.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 8, 2024 8:47:17 GMT -5
If the ROY voting is based on who has the best statistics, Cedanne will not be ROY. If the voting were based on value to the team, Cedanne is a runaway winner. Not only are his statistics competitive with the others, his defense is elite, at least in CF, and by switching between SS and CF to accommodate different lineup structures, he literally has been the fulcrum around which the team's offensive strategy has been built. There is no other rookie who has anything resembling that kind of credential.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Aug 8, 2024 8:59:56 GMT -5
I keep hearing about how the pitching coach the Red Sox got this year is some sort of guru and the year started out like that might be true. I heard nothing about the hitting coach. Now, the Sox are hitting with the best teams in baseball but their pitching is in the toilet. The trade deadline additions have seemed to fix the bullpen, but the starters are really struggling. The worse news from last night, even worse than the loss, was that Pivetta needs to skip a turn. Unlike Houck and Crawford, Pivetta is not near his innings total from last year. We really need to skip Crawford and Houck a turn. I never thought i would say this, but I would be in favor of Criswell instead of Crawford the next time around in the hope that it will help. Then maybe for Houck the next time around. Obviously, the starter situation does not look good. At least Martin had a good inning in his return. Too bad he can't start.
The hitting coach may deserve a raise.
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Post by patford on Aug 8, 2024 9:09:01 GMT -5
Is starter fatigue somehow affecting the Red Sox more than other teams? It’s not like they’ve been used/abused like Billy Martin used to do in Oakland. They are both already over their previous high for innings pitched in a season.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 8, 2024 9:15:18 GMT -5
I have no idea why Bernardino is up here instead of Booser What is the explanation for this? Booser has looked clearly better for at least a month now; his peripherals are just as good; they've both got options...
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 8, 2024 9:17:47 GMT -5
I have no idea why Bernardino is up here instead of Booser What is the explanation for this? Booser has looked clearly better for at least a month now; his peripherals are just as good; they've both got options... Probably isn't this necessarily but Cora seems to sometime have random favorites and Bernandino may be his favorite lefty reliever for some reason so perhaps Breslow asked him and Cora said send Booser down. Only thing I can think of anyway, nothing else really makes sense to me.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 8, 2024 9:24:42 GMT -5
If the ROY voting is based on who has the best statistics, Cedanne will not be ROY. If the voting were based on value to the team, Cedanne is a runaway winner. Not only are his statistics competitive with the others, his defense is elite, at least in CF, and by switching between SS and CF to accommodate different lineup structures, he literally has been the fulcrum around which the team's offensive strategy has been built. There is no other rookie who has anything resembling that kind of credential. I've been saying for years that positional versatility is underrated (by WAR in particular) so I definitely hear you. But:
Rafaela: .258/.288/.417, 89 wRC+, 0.8 BsR, -7 OAA/-1 DRS, 0.6 WAR Abreu: .273/.343/.513, 132 wRC+, 1.3 BsR, +3 OAA/+5 DRS, 2.4 WAR
Abreu has been the much better player in every aspect of the game. That's true for me by the eyeball test as well. Even if you just wanted to limit it to Rafaela's specialty, outfield defense, I think Abreu's been as good or better. I don't see how Rafaela comes remotely close to being the ROY on the Red Sox, really, let alone the AL as a whole.
(This is less a statement about Rafaela than Abreu, though, who really should be rookie of the year. Either him or Gil.)
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Post by asm18 on Aug 8, 2024 9:25:18 GMT -5
Is starter fatigue somehow affecting the Red Sox more than other teams? It’s not like they’ve been used/abused like Billy Martin used to do in Oakland. They are both already over their previous high for innings pitched in a season. Yeah but to cba82’s point - there’s a lot of dudes in baseball who are exceeding their career highs for innings who aren’t nosediving to the same degree. Just as an example - Cole Ragans from last night has pitched career highs, and he’s seen a velo dip and hasn’t been as sharp. But he hasn’t all of a sudden started giving up 6 runs a game. The Astros have starters this weekend who have exceeded their previous workload and are still doing reasonably okay. So is this a Red Sox thing, a Houck/Crawford thing, or something that could be fixed with some adjustments/time off? There has to be some happy medium in between “fatigued but still healthy and good” and “absolutely terrible”
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Post by incandenza on Aug 8, 2024 9:29:54 GMT -5
What is the explanation for this? Booser has looked clearly better for at least a month now; his peripherals are just as good; they've both got options... Probably isn't this necessarily but Cora seems to sometime have random favorites and Bernandino may be his favorite lefty reliever for some reason so perhaps Breslow asked him and Cora said send Booser down. Only thing I can think of anyway, nothing else really makes sense to me. Unfortunately that's the only explanation I could come up with too. I was hoping there might be a better reason.
I wondered if it might be something in the righty/lefty splits but Booser has almost no splits at all, so that's not it.
Incidentally, Bernardino has a crazy home/road split - 0.83 ERA at Fenway, 5.82 on the road. Probably just random.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 8, 2024 9:34:22 GMT -5
Probably isn't this necessarily but Cora seems to sometime have random favorites and Bernandino may be his favorite lefty reliever for some reason so perhaps Breslow asked him and Cora said send Booser down. Only thing I can think of anyway, nothing else really makes sense to me. Unfortunately that's the only explanation I could come up with too. I was hoping there might be a better reason.
I wondered if it might be something in the righty/lefty splits but Booser has almost no splits at all, so that's not it.
Incidentally, Bernardino has a crazy home/road split - 0.83 ERA at Fenway, 5.82 on the road. Probably just random.
Booser has had a lot of usage (had pitched like 4 out of 5 before last night) so charitably maaaaybe it’s a load management thing? But even that I don’t know why you couldn’t just give him a couple days off…. As opposed to sending him down to Triple A where now he can’t be optioned back up in the immediate future unless there’s an injury
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Post by strike23 on Aug 8, 2024 9:46:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately that's the only explanation I could come up with too. I was hoping there might be a better reason.
I wondered if it might be something in the righty/lefty splits but Booser has almost no splits at all, so that's not it.
Incidentally, Bernardino has a crazy home/road split - 0.83 ERA at Fenway, 5.82 on the road. Probably just random.
Booser has had a lot of usage (had pitched like 4 out of 5 before last night) so charitably maaaaybe it’s a load management thing? But even that I don’t know why you couldn’t just give him a couple days off…. As opposed to sending him down to Triple A where now he can’t be optioned back up in the immediate future unless there’s an injury I would guess the original plan was Criswell who instead is staying up to take Pivettas start, if Pivetta needs to hit the IL you can bring up Booser. He probably needed 3 days off anyway because of his recent usage
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 8, 2024 10:19:04 GMT -5
Does anyone else's MLB.TV constantly skip back to the very beginning of the broadcast? Mine must do it a dozen times a night. It's super annoying. Thankfully no, sounds annoying.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 8, 2024 11:27:29 GMT -5
Booser has had a lot of usage (had pitched like 4 out of 5 before last night) so charitably maaaaybe it’s a load management thing? But even that I don’t know why you couldn’t just give him a couple days off…. As opposed to sending him down to Triple A where now he can’t be optioned back up in the immediate future unless there’s an injury I would guess the original plan was Criswell who instead is staying up to take Pivettas start, if Pivetta needs to hit the IL you can bring up Booser. He probably needed 3 days off anyway because of his recent usage That could be the case. Either way, it’s virtually guaranteed he’s back on Sept. 1st when rosters expand.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 8, 2024 13:02:11 GMT -5
I would guess the original plan was Criswell who instead is staying up to take Pivettas start, if Pivetta needs to hit the IL you can bring up Booser. He probably needed 3 days off anyway because of his recent usage That could be the case. Either way, it’s virtually guaranteed he’s back on Sept. 1st when rosters expand. ….sooner if there is an injury
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Post by asm18 on Aug 8, 2024 16:30:34 GMT -5
Vaughn Grissom optioned to AAA. Hopefully he can reset after the Year from Hell.
How much service time has he actually accumulated while with the Red Sox so far? Is it the whole season’s worth because he was with the MLB team when he kept going on rehabs or…?
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 8, 2024 16:34:21 GMT -5
If this is the first time he's been optioned then he has been accruing service time all year
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 8, 2024 16:35:45 GMT -5
I believe it's the first time he's been optioned this season so yes he has accumulated time this season if that's the case.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Aug 8, 2024 16:39:03 GMT -5
Vaughn Grissom optioned to AAA. Hopefully he can reset after the Year from Hell. How much service time has he actually accumulated while with the Red Sox so far? Is it the whole season’s worth because he was with the MLB team when he kept going on rehabs or…? He started the year with 94 days. We are already over 120 days of this season so if he stays down the rest of the way that would put him in the one year 40-ish day range I would assume. So yes, this will have been one of the six years of control the Sox acquired.
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