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8/9-8/11 Red Sox vs. Astros Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2024 15:43:13 GMT -5
So with Paxton injured, the question is now what? Criswell back to the rotation when he's back? Either way we're going to need a pitcher. Campbell or Horn presumably come up? I'll be honest, I'd rather just let Fitts come up and see how he does in the rotation, even if I know that's not going to happen. Criswell has been an effective starter though. If he does not look to be back by Friday, then I agree that a Fitts start beats a bullpen game. They need Winkowski in the pen. Criswell as a starter - 13 starts, 1 quality. - but 9 have been quite good.
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 11, 2024 15:45:06 GMT -5
So with Paxton injured, the question is now what? Criswell back to the rotation when he's back? Either way we're going to need a pitcher. Campbell or Horn presumably come up? I'll be honest, I'd rather just let Fitts come up and see how he does in the rotation, even if I know that's not going to happen. Criswell has been an effective starter though. If he does not look to be back by Friday, then I agree that a Fitts start beats a bullpen game. They need Winkowski in the pen. Fitts would have to be added to the 40 man. . .and that's getting pretty full of guys you don't want to DFA when folks come off the IL. This is really where you want a fungible/burnable arm to come up and log some innings. Unless Fitts is ready of course, or could transition into the BP for the rest of the year or something.
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Post by briam on Aug 11, 2024 15:52:37 GMT -5
Criswell has been an effective starter though. If he does not look to be back by Friday, then I agree that a Fitts start beats a bullpen game. They need Winkowski in the pen. Fitts would have to be added to the 40 man. . .and that's getting pretty full of guys you don't want to DFA when folks come off the IL. This is really where you want a fungible/burnable arm to come up and log some innings. Unless Fitts is ready of course, or could transition into the BP for the rest of the year or something. Fitts needs added this offseason no? Would him missing out on his remainder AAA starts be that detrimental to his development if he can make a few spot starts and come out of the pen for the big league club? It’s not like the bullpen is loaded with guys you’d be heart broken over losing.
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Post by finaliz3d on Aug 11, 2024 15:55:03 GMT -5
Westbrook, Keller, Dalbec are the easy three for Casas, Story, Hendriks, but there's other guys that I wouldn't miss that sorely. Bailey Horn had a 6 ERA and was a waiver claim, Enmanuel Valdez doesn't really do anything either, Tyler Heineman runs out of options after this season and I don't think the drop off from him to Mickey Gasper would be that steep if one of Wong/Jansen got injured and you needed a catcher (he'd probably be my third choice of the three, but it's worth mentioning).
I don't think it happens, but we've had back to back bullpen games, we need guys to go some length. A 6-man rotation seems very likely in September, and I think I'd like to see Fitts then, but with the injuries and everything, I kind of think you could keep giving him a rotation spot the next few weeks. Plus, he's a lock to be added in the offseason, so, I think if you can give him consistent innings in the majors, I'd be happy to see it.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 11, 2024 16:01:31 GMT -5
I don’t see a reason for burning a 40 man spot for Fitts. Much rather burn one on signing Hill or just call up Priester who’s already on the 40.
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 16:05:34 GMT -5
God bless. Thanks for the months of good baseball but wooof has it been awful lately
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 11, 2024 16:08:27 GMT -5
God bless. Thanks for the months of good baseball but wooof has it been awful lately The right move. Hoping Bernie can work it out over in the Woo. Simply has not looked good in a couple months.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 11, 2024 16:17:45 GMT -5
Are the Astors about to bury us for the second year in a row? They’ll sweep us, everyone will freak out, and then we’ll bounce back Bello quality start incoming tomorrow off of once again experiencing the miracle of birth
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 11, 2024 16:18:17 GMT -5
Criswell has been an effective starter though. If he does not look to be back by Friday, then I agree that a Fitts start beats a bullpen game. They need Winkowski in the pen. Fitts would have to be added to the 40 man. . .and that's getting pretty full of guys you don't want to DFA when folks come off the IL. This is really where you want a fungible/burnable arm to come up and log some innings. Unless Fitts is ready of course, or could transition into the BP for the rest of the year or something. Gambrell, Shugart, Hagenman and Alexander all seem like guys you could call up for three or four days and DFA, in descending order of prospectishness… not sure any of those guys are ready to get Corey Seager or Marcus Semien out, though.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 11, 2024 16:27:13 GMT -5
Twins and Royals play each other this week - win your games and you’re gaining on somebody
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 11, 2024 16:30:22 GMT -5
There was this guy, I think his name was Lugo, who a lot of us wanted the team to sign and try to bolster the rotation even after Giolito. That would have helped. They didn’t want to spend, although Criswell has been better than I thought. Shrug. Lugo had question marks. He turned out well, so if you and "a lot" of people randomly guessed he'd be this good in his second year as a starter, you got lucky. And of course, he got two years (age 34 and 35) plus an option. So the book is still very open on him. Sox are up to $185M/224 CB tax in commitments and spent (intelligently I think) out of their prospect capital to acquire players. So they're about $12M under the threshold. For a bridge year, that's acceptable. Lugo would have taken us over the threshold. But put Lugo aside, since your complaint was about "not spending." Would you have been ecstatic (regardless of the outcome) with Jordan Mongomery taking up a 26 man spot at $25M and blowing past the tax threshold? Because "a lot" of people thought the Sox couldn't compete without him. Montgomery was never a real option though. He was more real than say Yamamoto or Ohtani. Montgomery would have been a better option than Giolito. The problem with the line of thinking of just be happy with a bridge year roster is when you’re not committing to a path, you can’t effectively plan for the future other than hope and pray Teal, Mayer, and Anthony work out. Lugo was a guy who many on here from the jump wanted over Giolito. Not many people here were even interested in bringing in Flaherty, however, if they were really planning on contending they could have easily beaten the Dodgers terrible offer without touching their top 5 prospects.
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 11, 2024 16:37:59 GMT -5
Gambrell, Shugart, Hagenman and Alexander all seem like guys you could call up for three or four days and DFA, in descending order of prospectishness… not sure any of those guys are ready to get Corey Seager or Marcus Semien out, though. Or Priester, as was pointed out upthread. He's on the 40 already. . .but his 11 ER in 6 innings since his acquisition isn't looking great. But we're really just taking about someone to suck up some innings to bridge to Criswell coming off the IL (Covid).
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 11, 2024 16:50:48 GMT -5
Not many people here were even interested in bringing in Flaherty, however, if they were really planning on contending they could have easily beaten the Dodgers terrible offer without touching their top 5 prospects. I know we have a first-round plus SS in AAA (barely.) But I didn't know we had a second one. Also, I had no idea we had a switch hitting plus-power catcher who is considered one of the better catching prospects in game. Tell me more?
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Post by keninten on Aug 11, 2024 17:02:42 GMT -5
Doesn`t Priester need to be added after Aug. 14th to save a year of control?
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 11, 2024 17:51:03 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 11, 2024 18:42:49 GMT -5
Doesn`t Priester need to be added after Aug. 14th to save a year of control? If you mean the team gets an extra year of control if they wait to promote him on August 14th, than yes. This actually lines up nicely when they’ll undoubtedly need a starter for the Baltimore series at the end of next week.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2024 19:39:45 GMT -5
Three game series. Outscored 23-10
Offense - 18 hits (6 in each game), BA .187. 3-21 RISP 16 LOB.
At Home.
With the mess with the pitching, things are not trending well.
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 20:19:17 GMT -5
Apparently Duran called a fan the f slur, I’m sure this will blow up to be bigger than it is now
If there is one thing he’s good at it’s making adjustments so hopefully he nips that in the bud and grows from it
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 11, 2024 20:19:24 GMT -5
Doesn`t Priester need to be added after Aug. 14th to save a year of control? If you mean the team gets an extra year of control if they wait to promote him on August 14th, than yes. This actually lines up nicely when they’ll undoubtedly need a starter for the Baltimore series at the end of next week. So potentially Priester could start in Paxton's spot Friday in Baltimore. Bring up Horn or Campbell Monday to add bullpen depth, activate Priester and send someone out on Friday. Bello takes Bernardino's spot Monday. No Wiesert this week please.
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 11, 2024 20:43:58 GMT -5
Shrug. Lugo had question marks. He turned out well, so if you and "a lot" of people randomly guessed he'd be this good in his second year as a starter, you got lucky. And of course, he got two years (age 34 and 35) plus an option. So the book is still very open on him. Sox are up to $185M/224 CB tax in commitments and spent (intelligently I think) out of their prospect capital to acquire players. So they're about $12M under the threshold. For a bridge year, that's acceptable. Lugo would have taken us over the threshold. But put Lugo aside, since your complaint was about "not spending." Would you have been ecstatic (regardless of the outcome) with Jordan Mongomery taking up a 26 man spot at $25M and blowing past the tax threshold? Because "a lot" of people thought the Sox couldn't compete without him. Montgomery was never a real option though. He was more real than say Yamamoto or Ohtani. Montgomery would have been a better option than Giolito. The problem with the line of thinking of just be happy with a bridge year roster is when you’re not committing to a path, you can’t effectively plan for the future other than hope and pray Teal, Mayer, and Anthony work out. Lugo was a guy who many on here from the jump wanted over Giolito. Not many people here were even interested in bringing in Flaherty, however, if they were really planning on contending they could have easily beaten the Dodgers terrible offer without touching their top 5 prospects. How can you possibly say that Montgomery was a better option than Giolito? It's not fair to use the hindsight of Giolito getting injured but not the hindsight of Montgomery being atrocious all year while making enough money to put the Sox a toe over the tax line per the table on SoxProspects. Heck, it's not fair to knock the Giolito signing on the basis of injury hard stop. Were they supposed to somehow anticipate one of the most durable guys in the league missing the entire season with injury? It would be one thing to say this back in March based on personal preference, but now? The difference of one or two move or non-moves is not the difference between "planning on contending" and a "bridge year" given that there is so much variance in the likely outcomes for a given roster. "Just sign the guy who was going to be healthy with unsustainable batted ball luck instead of the guy who was going to be out for the season, 4head. Are they even trying to compete?!" Did you really want them to choose between 1) signing Ohtani and Yamamoto and trading multiple top prospects for Soto, say, and 2) refusing to sign any free agents while trading away Kenley, Martin, Pivetta, etc. to tank for draft picks? Is it not acceptible to field a team with a bright future and a shot at the wild card?
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 11, 2024 21:10:14 GMT -5
Apparently Duran called a fan the f slur, I’m sure this will blow up to be bigger than it is now If there is one thing he’s good at it’s making adjustments so hopefully he nips that in the bud and grows from it Not sure if it’s cool to share the video here but he clearly did Fan (clearly twice the legal limit) : “You need a tennis racket to get a hit” Duran: “Shut up you…. Bleep bleep” Will for sure get overblown Unlike last time, Red Sox fans will forgive him because he’s good… hopefully the commissioners office does the same
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Post by melvinhoggs on Aug 11, 2024 23:54:53 GMT -5
I’m sure this will blow up to be bigger than it is now Will for sure get overblown
Minimizing it before anything is even said or done about it!
He should be suspended. Send a message that it's not tolerated.
The apologies were canned and insincere as usual with this kind of thing. Hope there may someday be change and move forward.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 11, 2024 23:59:32 GMT -5
Apparently Duran called a fan the f slur, I’m sure this will blow up to be bigger than it is now If there is one thing he’s good at it’s making adjustments so hopefully he nips that in the bud and grows from it Damn, that’s a new low. Hate to say it, but he should be suspended for a couple games. If not, Cora should bench him. Unacceptable.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 12, 2024 0:02:04 GMT -5
If you mean the team gets an extra year of control if they wait to promote him on August 14th, than yes. This actually lines up nicely when they’ll undoubtedly need a starter for the Baltimore series at the end of next week. So potentially Priester could start in Paxton's spot Friday in Baltimore. Bring up Horn or Campbell Monday to add bullpen depth, activate Priester and send someone out on Friday. Bello takes Bernardino's spot Monday. No Wiesert this week please. I’d prefer Horn. I like what I saw out of him in his Yankees appearances. I’d prefer not to see Campbell until next season honestly.
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 12, 2024 0:33:41 GMT -5
Will for sure get overblown
Minimizing it before anything is even said or done about it!
He should be suspended. Send a message that it's not tolerated.
The apologies were canned and insincere as usual with this kind of thing. Hope there may someday be change and move forward.
Apparently Duran called a fan the f slur, I’m sure this will blow up to be bigger than it is now If there is one thing he’s good at it’s making adjustments so hopefully he nips that in the bud and grows from it Damn, that’s a new low. Hate to say it, but he should be suspended for a couple games. If not, Cora should bench him. Unacceptable. Pls spare us the crocodile tears Slap him with the fine for saying a bad word on TV and move on
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