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Post by puzzler on Aug 17, 2024 18:25:44 GMT -5
I’ve gotta push back on the “Kenley not exactly being a bulldog” bit a little. Long periods between usage aren’t up to him. But as an older, veteran pitcher on an expiring contract, he doesn’t have to be so willing to pitch more than an inning (see 2023 Hader). Or to throw a lot in small windows - e.g. mid May where he pitched in 4 of 5 / 5 of 7. That’s not happening without buy in from the pitcher. Thank you for getting to this first. Does anyone even have an example of Kenley being anything *other* than a "bulldog" ? Because that's exactly what I think an aging closer who is calling up his manager mid-game demanding to go into the game early is. Putting the team ahead of himself and his pursuit of the Hall of Fame. Kenley has come in early/gotten more than 3 outs multiple times this year - and yet in comparison some people still wax poetic about Kimbrel, who would cry to the media for a week anytime a manager dared ask him to come in before the 9th. Kenley used to routinely pitch 60-70 games a season. He may have the mentality, but he's physically incapable of throwing that many games in a season. For the one game he calls to be go into the game, he's had 7 separate stretches of not pitching for 5+ days. That's not what I call a bulldog.
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Post by dcb26 on Aug 17, 2024 18:26:48 GMT -5
Estimated start time yet? Nope, per NESN tarp still on the field and no estimated start time
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Post by dcb26 on Aug 17, 2024 18:35:06 GMT -5
Thank you for getting to this first. Does anyone even have an example of Kenley being anything *other* than a "bulldog" ? Because that's exactly what I think an aging closer who is calling up his manager mid-game demanding to go into the game early is. Putting the team ahead of himself and his pursuit of the Hall of Fame. Kenley has come in early/gotten more than 3 outs multiple times this year - and yet in comparison some people still wax poetic about Kimbrel, who would cry to the media for a week anytime a manager dared ask him to come in before the 9th. Kenley used to routinely pitch 60-70 games a season. He may have the mentality, but he's physically incapable of throwing that many games in a season. For the one game he calls to be go into the game, he's had 7 separate stretches of not pitching for 5+ days. That's not what I call a bulldog. So you're just assuming that those stretches are because Kenley is refusing to pitch during those stretches. Not, you know, that there might have been non-save situations where he wasn't being called for? He's 36 years old, has a bad heart (does that make him "not a bulldog"?), as a closer doesn't get asked to pitch in many non-save situations...and still he's tied for 2nd most appearances on the team on a team that hasn't even had that many save situations, he's projected (per Fangraphs) to make 57 appearances (is that too far below your threshold of 60?), he's repeatedly been willing to go multiple innings per appearance, and again, as several of us have noted, literally called his manager in the middle of the game to demand to go in early and get additional outs to help secure a win - something I have never heard of a reliever doing before. The more I look into this, the sillier it gets.
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Post by thelpc on Aug 17, 2024 18:38:14 GMT -5
What are the chances this thing actually gets played?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 17, 2024 18:47:19 GMT -5
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Post by strike23 on Aug 17, 2024 18:55:56 GMT -5
8:20 projected start
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Post by puzzler on Aug 17, 2024 19:10:32 GMT -5
Kenley used to routinely pitch 60-70 games a season. He may have the mentality, but he's physically incapable of throwing that many games in a season. For the one game he calls to be go into the game, he's had 7 separate stretches of not pitching for 5+ days. That's not what I call a bulldog. So you're just assuming that those stretches are because Kenley is refusing to pitch during those stretches. Not, you know, that there might have been non-save situations where he wasn't being called for? He's 36 years old, has a bad heart (does that make him "not a bulldog"?), as a closer doesn't get asked to pitch in many non-save situations...and still he's tied for 2nd most appearances on the team on a team that hasn't even had that many save situations, he's projected (per Fangraphs) to make 57 appearances (is that too far below your threshold of 60?), he's repeatedly been willing to go multiple innings per appearance, and again, as several of us have noted, literally called his manager in the middle of the game to demand to go in early and get additional outs to help secure a win - something I have never heard of a reliever doing before. The more I look into this, the sillier it gets. We have different definitions of bulldog. Bottom line for ME, if you have to manage a guy's back, heart etc, he's no longer a bulldog. But if you want to insist that he is, ok. 2013 Koji was a bulldog. Jansen's last two seasons don't meet that definition for me. 73 games, 74 innings. Didn't need to be managed. Didn't miss time, was there night in and night out. AND established that connection with the fan base which was the main point. That's the 'bulldog' I was referencing.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 17, 2024 19:36:10 GMT -5
I thought that was gone. Will miss Dom, but not really
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Post by cdj on Aug 17, 2024 19:36:28 GMT -5
Just missed that
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 17, 2024 19:40:10 GMT -5
Let's not walk leadoff men.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 17, 2024 19:40:23 GMT -5
If Jansen is batting 5th and Wong is batting 8th then why is Wong the guy getting 75% of the starts
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 17, 2024 19:41:21 GMT -5
Infuriating when Bello nibbles against a leadoff hitter that he was ahead of
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 17, 2024 19:45:55 GMT -5
Casas defence has looked real good so far.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 17, 2024 19:52:32 GMT -5
Of course this guy finds his command and more velocity than he's shown in any prior big league start.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 17, 2024 19:52:41 GMT -5
OK, Sox batters. This guy is 1-5 with a 6.27. Gotta do better than this.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 17, 2024 19:56:00 GMT -5
What is back-up catcher James McCann going to do if you throw him a strike on 3-2 - the left field wall is 700 feet away
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 17, 2024 20:00:51 GMT -5
Are the bats all worn out from last night?
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 17, 2024 20:04:13 GMT -5
The crappier the LHP the more potent they are…
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2024 20:04:53 GMT -5
The Red Sox' plan is apparently to go after this guy early in the count, but he's at 6 K/9 and 5.5 BB/9 on the season...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 17, 2024 20:07:39 GMT -5
42 pitches in 4 innings. They could actually make him work a bit.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 17, 2024 20:16:37 GMT -5
nice pitching from the young lad.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2024 20:16:55 GMT -5
How much dread did you feel when Jansen dropped that would-be strike three to end the inning? For me it was: infinity dread.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 17, 2024 20:17:40 GMT -5
Chillax boys, let's see where the score is when their pitcher leaves the game.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Aug 17, 2024 20:17:52 GMT -5
So is this what was missing in Bello's development, simply having a better game caller behind the plate? Not intending to knock Wong, but that was never exactly his strong suit.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 17, 2024 20:18:20 GMT -5
How much dread did you feel when Jansen dropped that would-be strike three to end the inning? For me it was: infinity dread. no doubt. i was expecting 3 or 4 runs. lol.
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