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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 17, 2024 14:00:06 GMT -5
What's crazy to me is how bad this bullpen is yet how great Kenley has been and nobody seems to be greatful for him lol Guy has been money and very much taken for granted. yes and in the past we've had better bullpens and worse closers who were more appreciated so it just baffles me a little why RSN isn't signing his praises.
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Post by puzzler on Aug 17, 2024 14:24:23 GMT -5
Guy has been money and very much taken for granted. yes and in the past we've had better bullpens and worse closers who were more appreciated so it just baffles me a little why RSN isn't signing his praises. He's been great, but there a couple of reasons why he's not being exalted. A) He was and still is a hired gun. He didn't start here and he's not going to be here long term. That combination makes it hard to make an emotional connection with him. B) He's spent a fair amount of time publicly complaining about the front office (please no arguments about whether he's right or wrong). That kind of commentary is anathema to 'he's one of us'. C) As good as he has been, he's also gone huge stretches of the season (and multiple times) without pitching. He's not exactly a bulldog who takes the ball all the time. All that being said, he's been amazing. The best piece all year and I think he's been a really great teammate. He's embraced being a leader to younger guys. He's a hall of famer in my book and if he wasn't going to be so expensive, I'd love to have him back for another season.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 17, 2024 14:32:48 GMT -5
yes and in the past we've had better bullpens and worse closers who were more appreciated so it just baffles me a little why RSN isn't signing his praises. He's been great, but there a couple of reasons why he's not being exalted. A) He was and still is a hired gun. He didn't start here and he's not going to be here long term. That combination makes it hard to make an emotional connection with him. B) He's spent a fair amount of time publicly complaining about the front office (please no arguments about whether he's right or wrong). That kind of commentary is anathema to 'he's one of us'. C) As good as he has been, he's also gone huge stretches of the season (and multiple times) without pitching. He's not exactly a bulldog who takes the ball all the time. All that being said, he's been amazing. The best piece all year and I think he's been a really great teammate. He's embraced being a leader to younger guys. He's a hall of famer in my book and if he wasn't going to be so expensive, I'd love to have him back for another season. Amazing response. Thank you
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Aug 17, 2024 14:36:08 GMT -5
In their defense they are allowing an astronomical HR/FB% so while they’ve been horrible I do think they’re getting unlucky on top of that I don’t want to tempt fate, but it’s not possible to be this bad and not have some element of bad luck involved
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 17, 2024 14:40:37 GMT -5
Having Kenley around reminds me of when the Sox had Lee Smith.
The Sox had acquired a future HOFer who had seen his best days with the Cubs although while pitching a notch below that in Boston, Lee Smith was very good, just not dominant, although hed have s nice season or two with the Cardinals when the Sox traded him for Tom Brunansky. The Sox traded him because they had Jeff Reardon waiting in the wings.
In a way that reminds me a bit of Kenley. He's still quite good - wish he had gotten Kiké Hernandez and Trent Grisham out, but still, excellent and reliable and a guy who will be deserving of his HOF days.
Like Smith who is most remembered for his Cubs days, Kenley will be remembered for his Dodgers days.
I'd like to see Kenley retained for another season or two, but like Smith, he's just passing through. The Sox already have his closer replacement on the roster in Liam Hendricks, similar to Reardon and Smith being teammates for a month.
So I'm not emotionally attached to him. His complaining about the FO doesn't bother me at all. Actually makes me like him more because he cares about winning.
I'll remember Kenley for doing a really good job with the Sox and should Hendriks struggle next season then I'll really miss Jansen. I'll miss him either way. I'm glad the Sox signed him. Wish for both of our sakes that they had surrounded him with a team that could have given him more save opportunities.
Honestly though I'll remember him most for giving up a game tying crucial HR in Game 4 to Pearce in the 8th because Roberts was expecting him to go two innings, which was more than should gave been expected of him. I'll also remember him giving up a tying HR to JBJ in Game 3 in the 8th. Maybe he's just a 9th inning guy.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 17, 2024 14:49:19 GMT -5
In their defense they are allowing an astronomical HR/FB% so while they’ve been horrible I do think they’re getting unlucky on top of that 4th worst HR/FB in the league despite being in a park which massively depresses the statistic.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 17, 2024 15:12:11 GMT -5
Sogard is being sent down as the countermove for O’Neill return. A bit surprised they’re not sending down Mickey Gasper. I know ZIPS seems to like Mickey but not a whole ton of versatility there and they haven’t exactly used him a whole lot since he came up
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 17, 2024 15:32:49 GMT -5
Sogard will be an interesting 40 man decision this offseason. DFA'ing him after 50 PA while Vaughn Grissom was healthy would not feel great. I think they could probably get a little something in a trade for him at least.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 17, 2024 15:33:32 GMT -5
Guy has been money and very much taken for granted. yes and in the past we've had better bullpens and worse closers who were more appreciated so it just baffles me a little why RSN isn't signing his praises. This won't be popular, like many of my thoughts/views towards Boston, but the pitching development, including coaching instrutor choices for years has been lacking. Why? Dunno, but thinking is more of a good old boys netwok than anything else. just a guess. have a strong.. Very strong feeling that some around this site have lots more indepth knowledge as to inner goings on into how things have been functioning. Do understand why those people don't publicly let onto that knowledge, but it's got to be infuriating seeing poor choices made, if it's the situation i described and do know that system has existed before years ago.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 17, 2024 15:40:23 GMT -5
I’ve gotta push back on the “Kenley not exactly being a bulldog” bit a little. Long periods between usage aren’t up to him. But as an older, veteran pitcher on an expiring contract, he doesn’t have to be so willing to pitch more than an inning (see 2023 Hader). Or to throw a lot in small windows - e.g. mid May where he pitched in 4 of 5 / 5 of 7. That’s not happening without buy in from the pitcher.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2024 16:14:40 GMT -5
Obviously Ted's military service impacted this
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2024 16:18:40 GMT -5
He gotta go.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 17, 2024 16:23:48 GMT -5
Today we face a lefty who throws a 92 mph fastball and has a 6.27 ERA and 6.28 FIP in his major league career. Ominous. And finally a lineup that dosnt look to terible vs LH
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 17, 2024 16:35:51 GMT -5
Everyone feeling good and ready to roll tonight !! Make it 2 in a row.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 17, 2024 16:36:00 GMT -5
Until Hendriks is ready, Cora is gonna ride or die with Garcia until then.
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Post by dcb26 on Aug 17, 2024 16:43:49 GMT -5
I’ve gotta push back on the “Kenley not exactly being a bulldog” bit a little. Long periods between usage aren’t up to him. But as an older, veteran pitcher on an expiring contract, he doesn’t have to be so willing to pitch more than an inning (see 2023 Hader). Or to throw a lot in small windows - e.g. mid May where he pitched in 4 of 5 / 5 of 7. That’s not happening without buy in from the pitcher. Thank you for getting to this first. Does anyone even have an example of Kenley being anything *other* than a "bulldog" ? Because that's exactly what I think an aging closer who is calling up his manager mid-game demanding to go into the game early is. Putting the team ahead of himself and his pursuit of the Hall of Fame. Kenley has come in early/gotten more than 3 outs multiple times this year - and yet in comparison some people still wax poetic about Kimbrel, who would cry to the media for a week anytime a manager dared ask him to come in before the 9th.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 17, 2024 17:07:06 GMT -5
I’ve gotta push back on the “Kenley not exactly being a bulldog” bit a little. Long periods between usage aren’t up to him. But as an older, veteran pitcher on an expiring contract, he doesn’t have to be so willing to pitch more than an inning (see 2023 Hader). Or to throw a lot in small windows - e.g. mid May where he pitched in 4 of 5 / 5 of 7. That’s not happening without buy in from the pitcher. Thank you for getting to this first. Does anyone even have an example of Kenley being anything *other* than a "bulldog" ? Because that's exactly what I think an aging closer who is calling up his manager mid-game demanding to go into the game early is. Putting the team ahead of himself and his pursuit of the Hall of Fame. Kenley has come in early/gotten more than 3 outs multiple times this year - and yet in comparison some people still wax poetic about Kimbrel, who would cry to the media for a week anytime a manager dared ask him to come in before the 9th. Kenley literally called himself into the 8th inning of a game against the Yankees this year because Greg Weissert imploding and he was like, “uhhhh, I’m fixing this”
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2024 17:17:31 GMT -5
I really wish this was insignificant but they probably checkef in on Luis Tiant.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2024 17:25:02 GMT -5
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Post by cheers on Aug 17, 2024 17:30:38 GMT -5
No surprise on the rain delay. Pretty good line of storms off to the west.
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Post by nomar on Aug 17, 2024 17:31:16 GMT -5
In their defense they are allowing an astronomical HR/FB% so while they’ve been horrible I do think they’re getting unlucky on top of that 4th worst HR/FB in the league despite being in a park which massively depresses the statistic. Thanks for doing the legwork lol
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Post by nomar on Aug 17, 2024 17:32:19 GMT -5
I really wish this was insignificant but they probably checkef in on Luis Tiant. Its nice to have a guy who can get bombed when I will love him regardless. Rich Hill really embodies the spirit of the city/franchise
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2024 17:44:06 GMT -5
BTW Niko Kavadis msde his Angels debut last night. Lugo and Christian Moore cant be far behind.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 17, 2024 18:04:38 GMT -5
tough lineup. needs to be precise.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 17, 2024 18:24:09 GMT -5
Estimated start time yet?
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