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8/15-8/18 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by cmax on Aug 17, 2024 6:09:59 GMT -5
Red Sox caught some fortune that Adley Rutschman was a late scratch yesterday with lower back discomfort. He is the heart and soul of that team. Can't help but think his last minute absence played a part in the stinker from Burnes.
Hopefully, the Red Sox can build some momentum now and at least salvage a split here.
And gosh, wouldn't it be amazing if Rich Hill can turn back time and do one last string of surprisingly effective starts...
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2024 6:55:57 GMT -5
Sogard experiment was cool but time to bring back Grissom
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 17, 2024 6:58:55 GMT -5
Sogard experiment was cool but time to bring back Grissom Grissom isn't exactly setting the world on fire at AAA. At this point Sogard probably is the better option, grissom has missed a lot of time this year. He needs ABs down in AAA instead of sitting the bench most the time in Boston.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2024 7:31:41 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Aug 17, 2024 8:30:12 GMT -5
The fanbase to Kenley in April:
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Post by cmax on Aug 17, 2024 8:39:03 GMT -5
Guys, David Hamilton. Big time contributor. I’m crossing my fingers that he can replicate Duran’s breakout blueprint on a lesser scale next season. He was supposed to be a 1-tool speed guy and has turned into a pretty solid all around player. If he can hit and hold down a MIF spot he will rack up WAR fast. If not for the stretch starting in late June when Hamilton was clearly playing hurt and lost his timing at the plate, he has been one of the top 50 or so dynamic position players in baseball since he began playing regularly in mid-May. Duran and Hamilton are the top two base runners in the American League during that time. Hamilton is in the top 5 for WAR on the Red Sox (including pitchers) for the whole season as it is, and he really struggled at the beginning of the year and after getting injured in his 4 steal masterpiece game against the Yankees - the game that sent the MFY into a total tailspin. Hamilton is in the top 100 of position players in all of MLB in WAR since he started playing regularly in mid-May (92nd according to Fangraphs). Love the concept of a breakout blueprint for him next year with a productive offseason to build on the positives from this year and get physically ready for the 162 game grind with the added wear and tear of stealing so many bases. The main question seems to be: will he be able to hit lefties? If so, he can be an all-star caliber second baseman with versatility to play short. If not, he is a super dynamic platoon middle infielder and weapon off the bench. In either situation he is arguably the best base-runner in baseball and adds a unique ability to put pressure on opposing pitchers and defenses. Hamilton is one of the great developments of this year. Really rooting for him to keep it up and take that next step.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2024 8:57:46 GMT -5
Today we face a lefty who throws a 92 mph fastball and has a 6.27 ERA and 6.28 FIP in his major league career. Ominous.
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Post by bettsonmookie on Aug 17, 2024 9:36:19 GMT -5
I’m crossing my fingers that he can replicate Duran’s breakout blueprint on a lesser scale next season. He was supposed to be a 1-tool speed guy and has turned into a pretty solid all around player. If he can hit and hold down a MIF spot he will rack up WAR fast. The main question seems to be: will he be able to hit lefties? If so, he can be an all-star caliber second baseman with versatility to play short. If not, he is a super dynamic platoon middle infielder and weapon off the bench. In either situation he is arguably the best base-runner in baseball and adds a unique ability to put pressure on opposing pitchers and defenses. Hamilton is one of the great developments of this year. Really rooting for him to keep it up and take that next step. If this is the main question, to me, the secondary question is: Will the Red Sox be able to provide him with the playing time necessary to see what he can grow into? Presumably, next Spring Training arrives with healthy versions of Trevor Story and Vaughn Grissom, who should both have no disruptions in off-season regimen. If the Sox attempt to move either before then, they will be biting the bullet hard. I expect both of them to be here, even if it's messy on paper. Then, there are the kids. Marcelo, K-Camp, Meidroth. Maybe not factoring into things in April, but certainly could be a major part of things in the 2nd half. Rafaela will also remain in the MIF mix depending on how they mix and match the OF personnel. Obviously, an injury or two changes everything, and even at full-health, I think Hamilton has a large bench role if not a starting role ahead of VG. However, I am concerned by the possibility he is not given a chance to flourish. His running ability is such a rare weapon and a bit of continued incremental improvement in the other facets of his game could take him to star status. He needs to be given that chance.
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Post by cdj on Aug 17, 2024 9:58:10 GMT -5
Sweet Jesus, what a game. Casas with a few nice, no hesitation, defensive moves so apparently the rib doesn't affect his fielding. I think he said it only bothers him when he’s making contact on a swing
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Post by pappyman99 on Aug 17, 2024 10:02:57 GMT -5
Considering the huge logjam of position players and talent at least we know some legit pitching adds in the offseason makes us a legit serious contender
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2024 10:21:27 GMT -5
Today we face a lefty who throws a 92 mph fastball and has a 6.27 ERA and 6.28 FIP in his major league career. Ominous. Fun fact though: the Red Sox actually have an above-average offense against lefties - a 104 wRC+. It's not even that much worse than they are against righties (112 wRC+). O'Neill, Refsnyder, Romy, and Wong all have a 144 wRC+ or better against lefties, so that's a very solid half of a lineup right there. Plus now they have Jansen.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 17, 2024 11:12:00 GMT -5
Sogard experiment was cool but time to bring back Grissom Grissom isn't exactly setting the world on fire at AAA. At this point Sogard probably is the better option, grissom has missed a lot of time this year. He needs ABs down in AAA instead of sitting the bench most the time in Boston. Exactly. If they were to return sogard to AAA, meidroth would be a better choice over grissom. He's performed all year, which is more than can say about Grissom.
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 17, 2024 11:20:22 GMT -5
Grissom isn't exactly setting the world on fire at AAA. At this point Sogard probably is the better option, grissom has missed a lot of time this year. He needs ABs down in AAA instead of sitting the bench most the time in Boston. Exactly. If they were to return sogard to AAA, meidroth would be a better choice over grissom. He's performed all year, which is more than can say about Grissom. Even if Meidroth was the best option (debatable), they shouldn’t add him to the 40 at this point.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2024 11:26:08 GMT -5
Connor Wong since July 1st:
-0.2 WAR, .244/.293/.289, 84 wRC+, 5% BB rate, 30% K rate
His defensive numbers have regressed in general since 2023, and they were already bad.
For god's sake just play Jansen.
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 17, 2024 11:27:33 GMT -5
The main question seems to be: will he be able to hit lefties? If so, he can be an all-star caliber second baseman with versatility to play short. If not, he is a super dynamic platoon middle infielder and weapon off the bench. In either situation he is arguably the best base-runner in baseball and adds a unique ability to put pressure on opposing pitchers and defenses. Hamilton is one of the great developments of this year. Really rooting for him to keep it up and take that next step. If this is the main question, to me, the secondary question is: Will the Red Sox be able to provide him with the playing time necessary to see what he can grow into? Presumably, next Spring Training arrives with healthy versions of Trevor Story and Vaughn Grissom, who should both have no disruptions in off-season regimen. If the Sox attempt to move either before then, they will be biting the bullet hard. I expect both of them to be here, even if it's messy on paper. Then, there are the kids. Marcelo, K-Camp, Meidroth. Maybe not factoring into things in April, but certainly could be a major part of things in the 2nd half. Rafaela will also remain in the MIF mix depending on how they mix and match the OF personnel. Obviously, an injury or two changes everything, and even at full-health, I think Hamilton has a large bench role if not a starting role ahead of VG. However, I am concerned by the possibility he is not given a chance to flourish. His running ability is such a rare weapon and a bit of continued incremental improvement in the other facets of his game could take him to star status. He needs to be given that chance. Ian made a point on a past podcast, that he wondered if the Red Sox regretted adding Hamilton to the 40 when they did — and it was a valid question at the time. The fact Hamilton has been a positive contributor to this team is so far outside the realm of possibility for me, coming into the season. Good for the kid.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 17, 2024 11:29:10 GMT -5
Connor Wong since July 1st:
-0.2 WAR, .244/.293/.289, 84 wRC+, 5% BB rate, 30% K rate
His defensive numbers have regressed in general since 2023, and they were already bad.
For god's sake just play Jansen.
Connor was the beneficiary of some BABIP luck to be sure in the first half, but he still had his strikeout rate down in the 18 to 20% range for the most part. Where did THAT go
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Post by art on Aug 17, 2024 12:01:40 GMT -5
Today we face a lefty who throws a 92 mph fastball and has a 6.27 ERA and 6.28 FIP in his major league career. Ominous. Page 1 of this thread says that guy is starting tomorrow (Sunday). Has that been changed?
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Post by asm18 on Aug 17, 2024 12:05:07 GMT -5
Today we face a lefty who throws a 92 mph fastball and has a 6.27 ERA and 6.28 FIP in his major league career. Ominous. Page 1 of this thread says that guy is starting tomorrow (Sunday). Has that been changed? Yeah it’s Cade Povich (L) getting called up for today and Albert Suarez (R) getting pushed back a day
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2024 12:24:25 GMT -5
Its getting worse.
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Post by nomar on Aug 17, 2024 12:28:14 GMT -5
In their defense they are allowing an astronomical HR/FB% so while they’ve been horrible I do think they’re getting unlucky on top of that
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2024 12:34:46 GMT -5
Today we face a lefty who throws a 92 mph fastball and has a 6.27 ERA and 6.28 FIP in his major league career. Ominous. Page 1 of this thread says that guy is starting tomorrow (Sunday). Has that been changed? I was talking about Povich. Sunday's starter is another soft-tossing lefty with an inflated ERA and bad peripherals. Doubly ominous.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2024 12:42:14 GMT -5
In their defense they are allowing an astronomical HR/FB% so while they’ve been horrible I do think they’re getting unlucky on top of that Here is my concern: Bailey's philosophy is "throw it in the zone but miss bats," yes? What if the league has adjusted to this philosophy and Red Sox pitchers just aren't good enough to not serve up meatballs with this approach?
Is it a coincidence that since coming to the Red Sox Luis Garcia has given up as many home runs in 7.2 innings as he gave up in Los Angeles of Anaheim in 44 innings? (I mean, yes, it probably is. But what if it's not...?)
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 17, 2024 12:47:58 GMT -5
What's crazy to me is how bad this bullpen is yet how great Kenley has been and nobody seems to be greatful for him lol
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 17, 2024 13:01:34 GMT -5
What's crazy to me is how bad this bullpen is yet how great Kenley has been and nobody seems to be greatful for him lol Guy has been money and very much taken for granted.
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Post by nomar on Aug 17, 2024 13:22:04 GMT -5
In their defense they are allowing an astronomical HR/FB% so while they’ve been horrible I do think they’re getting unlucky on top of that Here is my concern: Bailey's philosophy is "throw it in the zone but miss bats," yes? What if the league has adjusted to this philosophy and Red Sox pitchers just aren't good enough to not serve up meatballs with this approach? Is it a coincidence that since coming to the Red Sox Luis Garcia has given up as many home runs in 7.2 innings as he gave up in Los Angeles of Anaheim in 44 innings? (I mean, yes, it probably is. But what if it's not...?)
My two cents would be that people overestimate Bailey’s impact in either direction
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