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8/26-8/29 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 26, 2024 20:48:17 GMT -5
Gonna be pissed if they trade Jarren, he’s the only clutch hitter on this team Two real choices here Choice 1: He’s also arbitration eligible on a team that needs to add young cost controlled talent. I don't think this team will pay him and his value might never be higher than this offseason. Unless he wants to take a team friendly deal, get a few top end prospects and gear up for 2027. Choice 2: Unless of course they want to invest in the club and sign a top end starter. In that case, give him a big extension, buy out some FA years and build around him in the outfield. But don’t let this get to arbitration every single year. The thought of that makes my stomach turn.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 26, 2024 20:48:37 GMT -5
Last year the Barraclough disaster was August 28. We beat it by 2 days this year - August 26. If the managerial change wakes Seattle up, with their pitching, they could soon have a better record than the Sox. The Twins are just dying to give away their playoff spot. Was hoping that could be us but maybe someone else can get in on the fun
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 26, 2024 20:49:23 GMT -5
This team gave us a competitive few months and some really fun moments. There really has been a lot of positive this year that nothing can really detract from at this point. However, the rest of the way could get ugly..
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Post by atzar on Aug 26, 2024 20:49:46 GMT -5
I have a certain amount of tolerance built up for players who may just not be good enough for the roles they're asked to play. That tolerance is really tested by the shit this team does, though. Fundamental defensive errors, brain farts, baserunning blunders, and situational silliness like walking a #9 hitter with a sub-.500 OPS on four pitches. That stuff grinds the gears. Because that's not a matter of talent.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 26, 2024 20:50:09 GMT -5
Two real choices here Choice 1: He’s also arbitration eligible on a team that needs to add young cost controlled talent. I don't think this team will pay him and his value might never be higher than this offseason. Unless he wants to take a team friendly deal, get a few top end prospects and gear up for 2027. Choice 2: Unless of course they want to invest in the club and sign a top end starter. In that case, give him a big extension, buy out some FA years and build around him in the outfield. But don’t let this get to arbitration every single year. Choice 3: Keep him and don't extend him unless it's team friendly.
His game is based on speed and speed usually doesn't age that well. He'll also have just finished his age 31 season when he hits free agency. For the foreseeable future, though, the team needs players exactly like Jarren. He takes up a single roster spot and just churns out value. They have plenty of 1-2 WAR guys. They need to be bringing in impact players or they won't improve, so I don't get trading Jarren away unless you're getting, say, another 7 WAR player at a position of greater need (which is never happening). He isn't a free agent until 2029 and the team has plenty of payroll flexibility; there is zero need to trade him just because he's in arb.
If you’re going to go that route then trade him and get prospects that will line up with the timeline of Mayer Anthony Teel and Campbell. As you said his skill set doesn’t age well. If this team isn’t contending then they don’t “need” his skill set. His value that he brings is why you might look at him and see if you could get an excellent return from a team who is desperate to make the World Series. I’m not sure you could get a Soto/Padres-Nationals trade return but you could get an excellent amount back for sure. There isn’t a need to do it, however, you’re more or less committing to going year to year on him and then getting into a bidding war.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 26, 2024 20:51:23 GMT -5
Will and Lou just shared this c/o Boston Sports Info:
29-37 at home
11-26 when making one or more errors 4-21 when allowing one or more unearned runs
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Post by incandenza on Aug 26, 2024 20:51:39 GMT -5
Red Sox winning percentages under Cora:
| through July 31st
| August 1st and on
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| .688 | .627 | 2019 | .541 | .472 | 2021 | .594 | .518 | 2022 | .495 | .458 | 2023 | .528 | .393 | 2024
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| .435 .417
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Every single year! Updated. Giving 2023 a run for its sub-.400 money.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 26, 2024 20:52:09 GMT -5
We also need a leader behind the plate. Varitek, Ross, Leon, even Vazquez brought some energy. Wong/McGuire have been so bleh and that makes a big difference on the pitching staff.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 26, 2024 20:53:05 GMT -5
Silver linings....
Jarren Duran.
Since his return, Casas reminds me of PEAK Mark Teixeira.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 26, 2024 20:54:49 GMT -5
Silver linings.... Jarren Duran. Since his return, Casas reminds me of PEAK Mark Teixeira. Casas they need to sign this offseason. Please just lock this guy up.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 26, 2024 20:56:38 GMT -5
Red Sox winning percentages under Cora:
| through July 31st
| August 1st and on
| 2018
| .688 | .627 | 2019 | .541 | .472 | 2021 | .594 | .518 | 2022 | .495 | .458 | 2023 | .528 | .393 | 2024
| .533
| .435 .417
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Every single year! Updated. Giving 2023 a run for its sub-.400 money. This is CLEARY anti-Cora propaganda. And I just wont stand for it. I won't! /s
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Post by asm18 on Aug 26, 2024 21:02:07 GMT -5
Red Sox winning percentages under Cora:
| through July 31st
| August 1st and on
| 2018
| .688 | .627 | 2019 | .541 | .472 | 2021 | .594 | .518 | 2022 | .495 | .458 | 2023 | .528 | .393 | 2024
| .533
| .435 .417
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Every single year! Updated. Giving 2023 a run for its sub-.400 money. Unreal. The team is (allegedly) healthy! They had a full COVID outbreak in late 2021. Chris Sale got struck by lightning and fed to a whale in 2022. Last year Duran ran into a wall last year and Casas’ shoulder fell off. In contrast, this team is getting guys back - including potentially Story soon after an insane recovery. WTF
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Post by awalkinthepark on Aug 26, 2024 21:07:26 GMT -5
Choice 3: Keep him and don't extend him unless it's team friendly.
His game is based on speed and speed usually doesn't age that well. He'll also have just finished his age 31 season when he hits free agency. For the foreseeable future, though, the team needs players exactly like Jarren. He takes up a single roster spot and just churns out value. They have plenty of 1-2 WAR guys. They need to be bringing in impact players or they won't improve, so I don't get trading Jarren away unless you're getting, say, another 7 WAR player at a position of greater need (which is never happening). He isn't a free agent until 2029 and the team has plenty of payroll flexibility; there is zero need to trade him just because he's in arb.
If you’re going to go that route then trade him and get prospects that will line up with the timeline of Mayer Anthony Teel and Campbell. As you said his skill set doesn’t age well. If this team isn’t contending then they don’t “need” his skill set. His value that he brings is why you might look at him and see if you could get an excellent return from a team who is desperate to make the World Series. I’m not sure you could get a Soto/Padres-Nationals trade return but you could get an excellent amount back for sure. There isn’t a need to do it, however, you’re more or less committing to going year to year on him and then getting into a bidding war. They will never do this because it completely bypasses Devers' best years. Not making the playoffs in the first year of Devers' extension is bad enough, but punting during his age 27-29 seasons while he makes $90 million is just not happening.
If Duran does get moved this offseason, and I think that's a big if because of how rare it is to move a player like him, they would only do it if they were getting major league pieces back.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 26, 2024 21:18:37 GMT -5
Re: Duran. To me, the time to extend him is past. I'd keep him on a year to year basis until the last year, then trade him.
Re: Casas. The rib injury should make Casas more willing to sign but that's a double edged sword because cartilage doesn't heal so, he's more risk to the Sox than before.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 26, 2024 21:20:49 GMT -5
I'd just keep Duran until Montgomery is ready, which will be awhile and simply roll with an outfield of Duran/Rafaela/Anthony until then.
Abreu can be dealt either this offseason or next year when Anthony is fully ready.
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Post by ephus on Aug 26, 2024 21:24:02 GMT -5
This team might be worse than last year’s team, it’s 3 straight years of worse pitching. This pitching staff might be worse than chicken and beer… Hardly, The chicken and beer teams was supposed to compete for a world series. This team was supposed to be a last place joke. I an as frustrated as most but we need to consider: Both Houck and Kutter on on track to blow away their previous high in IP. A regression shouldn’t be overly surprising: Houck - 119.0 (A ball) - 158.2 Crawford- 143.2 (A ball) - 147.0 Pivetta and Bello are both way below, but both lost time to injury. And the team is back to playing terrible defense which burns out pitchers worse than Dusty Baker on the Northside of Chicago. The deadline moves just haven’t paid off, with Paxton cooked, and Sims and Garcia having a meatball contest. The good news is we’re not worried about the Rule 5 draft, which is a huge win. man, I miss Dom Smith making us all smile.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 26, 2024 21:30:20 GMT -5
This team might be worse than last year’s team, it’s 3 straight years of worse pitching. This pitching staff might be worse than chicken and beer… Hardly, The chicken and beer teams was supposed to compete for a world series. This team was supposed to be a last place joke. I an as frustrated as most but we need to consider: Both Houck and Kutter on on track to blow away their previous high in IP. A regression shouldn’t be overly surprising: Houck - 119.0 (A ball) - 158.2 Crawford- 143.2 (A ball) - 147.0 Pivetta and Bello are both way below, but both lost time to injury. And the team is back to playing terrible defense which burns out pitchers worse than Dusty Baker on the Northside of Chicago. The deadline moves just haven’t paid off, with Paxton cooked, and Sims and Garcia having a meatball contest. The good news is we’re not worried about the Rule 5 draft, which is a huge win. man, I miss Dom Smith making us all smile. Swell guy, it seemed like, but he was not very good at baseball! And Casas' defense has been quite good since he came back.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 26, 2024 21:32:00 GMT -5
Hopefully we are seeing the last games of: Garcia, Sims, Keller, Horn, Joely - and I am fine with seeing TON depart too.
Key question - can Tanner, Kutter and Brayan build up more to get deeper into games and not hit the August wall?
As far as the offense - somehow there needs to be fewer Ks and a better approach with runners in scoring position. Otherwise, they score enough - they just don't prevent enough. And...that defense. Ouch.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 26, 2024 21:35:54 GMT -5
Unless there's a dramatic turnaround, we aren't going to see anybody in September that doesn't need to be on the 40 man this year. That pretty much covers all of our top prospects.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Aug 26, 2024 21:37:07 GMT -5
Choice 3: Keep him and don't extend him unless it's team friendly.
His game is based on speed and speed usually doesn't age that well. He'll also have just finished his age 31 season when he hits free agency. For the foreseeable future, though, the team needs players exactly like Jarren. He takes up a single roster spot and just churns out value. They have plenty of 1-2 WAR guys. They need to be bringing in impact players or they won't improve, so I don't get trading Jarren away unless you're getting, say, another 7 WAR player at a position of greater need (which is never happening). He isn't a free agent until 2029 and the team has plenty of payroll flexibility; there is zero need to trade him just because he's in arb.
If you’re going to go that route then trade him and get prospects that will line up with the timeline of Mayer Anthony Teel and Campbell. As you said his skill set doesn’t age well. If this team isn’t contending then they don’t “need” his skill set. His value that he brings is why you might look at him and see if you could get an excellent return from a team who is desperate to make the World Series. I’m not sure you could get a Soto/Padres-Nationals trade return but you could get an excellent amount back for sure. There isn’t a need to do it, however, you’re more or less committing to going year to year on him and then getting into a bidding war. The timeline of Mayer/Anthony/Teel/Campbell? You mean like... possibly next year? Trading Duran is truly incomprehensible to me. I've been less bullish on the Red Sox in the short term than some, but they're closer to contention than you're implying (at least closer to "confident contention" or whatever you want to call not scrounging and scraping for a possible WC3). They have a breakout star for four more of his prime years before he gets deeper into his 30s. The team is not some White Sox or Rockies level dumpster fire. The argument for trading him is just bad.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 26, 2024 22:05:56 GMT -5
Playoff odds are down to 17.5% on ESPN. That’s definitely higher than than the odds in my brain
Their narrow Netflix-sponsored miracle path probably involves the Royals beating up the Twins in KC the same weekend we play the White Sox, and then beating Minny when we play ‘em. (Forget the Wild Card, the Royals should have their eyes set on the 1 seed!)
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 26, 2024 22:20:26 GMT -5
Playoff odds are down to 17.5% on ESPN. That’s definitely higher than than the odds in my brain Their narrow Netflix-sponsored miracle path probably involves the Royals beating up the Twins in KC the same weekend we play the White Sox, and then beating Minny when we play ‘em. (Forget the Wild Card, the Royals should have their eyes set on the 1 seed!) Seattle is about to beat Tampa - which will put them just half game in back of Boston.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 26, 2024 22:38:59 GMT -5
If they do continue to fall back, Devers may get shut down at some point. If that happens, it wouldn’t be the worst idea to see what Sogard can do with 20-25 starts. I feel like we’ve got a pretty good idea of what Hamilton, Romy and Valdez have to offer. We probably don’t learn anything about Grissom this year. Sogard is someone who may or may not stick on the 40-man, and Sogard is someone who may or may not make sense to pair with Hamilton as a competent enough middle infield platoon until/unless Mayer or Campbell is breaking down the door mid 2025. There’s a thin line between AAAA utility infielder and the kind of pesky, invaluable Swiss Army knife it seemed like the Rays found two of every season for quite a while.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 26, 2024 22:44:04 GMT -5
I think if we're out of it, Grissom gets the call, for experience.
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Aug 26, 2024 23:10:26 GMT -5
I remember on Buster Olney podcast when the Kansas City Royals out bid Red Sox for Seth Lugo and added more to their payroll with other players and Red Sox did nothing would it make difference? I think he got his question answered.
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