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Post by greenmonster on Sept 1, 2024 14:45:13 GMT -5
3 seasons in a row where they folded like a cheap tent when they needed wins the most. To say that is a concerning trend would be putting it mildly. and the consequence for the manager will be ? Oh, that's right, the saga continues..... a contract extension
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 1, 2024 14:45:24 GMT -5
I've been checked out since the Rockies series. I thought this team was in serious trouble and when they needed to prove they were worth the investment, they flopped. Though to be fair they haven't really rebounded. Twins have just sucked. I really thought theyd make the postseason. I was suckered. I had no idea their bullpen would implode or that Ceawford would give up a dozen HRs in 3 starts while Houck was at his worst. The Dodgers series was highly concerning, particularly the Kiké game, but the loss to the Yankees when Kenley gave up Grisham's wall scraper to tie the game bothered me the most. The extra inning loss to the Rockies was a kick in the groin that made me think that they're going to blow this. Blowing the game to the Astros and getting swept at home was the digging the grave series. And then blowing that last game against Arizona and getting swept at home again felt like the final nails in the coffin. I dont harbor any illusions that they make the playoffs. The could if theyd stop pulling the shit they pull, but they wont. At the very least you knew the Dodgers and Yankees were very good teams. The Astros have been surging and have given you problems. The Rockies was just terrible because they are a very bad team and was a chance to maintain some ground and confidence. But after getting swept by the Dodgers and blowing games late, the went 1-3 at home to the lowly Rockies, one of which was another blown save and the other was a 20 run walloping. Then proceeded to lose to the Yankees 2 out of 3. This was during a time when there were dreams of catching the Yankees. This was the most critical stretch I think. I'd be curious if their deadline moves would have been any different if they went 6-3 against the Dodgers, Rockies and Yankees. Granted they then went 6-3 against the Mariners, Rangers and Royals, but damage was done.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 1, 2024 14:45:40 GMT -5
RSS pointed it out earlier, but both Penrod and Guerrero have been excellent in Worcester, and need to be added to the 40 man. Would be nice to see some of the young promising arms come up for a while Penrod has apparently walked 11 guys in 12 innings. Wouldn't classify that as excellent. I do see your point though, if they're going to be added to the 40 in a few months it'd be nice to see what they can do with a cup of coffee.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2024 14:46:08 GMT -5
Team looks burned out. Conditioning? Throwing in the towel?
Bats going to sleep seemed to happened mid Aug in Balt.
19 runs in 9 losses since then even the wins - 26 runs in 5 wins - not where we were
last real run explosion was 12 on August 16.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 1, 2024 14:46:24 GMT -5
Where tf was pitch 5? Come on
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 1, 2024 14:46:44 GMT -5
Again. Pitching moves dont mean shiz if our offense continues to sleepwalk
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2024 14:48:26 GMT -5
Red Sox are 2 wins, 56 losses when trailing after 8? Wow.
If we lose this game, we are behind last year's team in record.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 1, 2024 14:48:32 GMT -5
I keep waiting for the finger pointers to settle on the Chris Sale trade and it never happens. That was like a seven win hit to the team right there.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 1, 2024 14:49:16 GMT -5
Sox are batting .218/.268/.389 the past 14 days.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 1, 2024 14:49:27 GMT -5
Red Sox are 2 wins, 56 losses when trailing after 8? Wow. It sounds bad, but what is the average on that I wonder?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 1, 2024 14:50:08 GMT -5
LOL. Because he is the most fireable ? Didn't he take Lucky Lucchino's job ? He keeps telling me that things are gonna get better and they aren't ? Been at the helm since 2015. Inherted most of the success he has had. Time for him to make shit happen, or does he have little say ? Add: in a bad way brother. was half in jest, but I am not really sure the guy is the one who should be in charge. Not impressed, but maybe he is just messenger boy to ownership.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Sept 1, 2024 14:50:56 GMT -5
I keep waiting for the finger pointers to settle on the Chris Sale trade and it never happens. That was like a seven win hit to the team right there. This made their offense terrible?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 1, 2024 14:51:03 GMT -5
I keep waiting for the finger pointers to settle on the Chris Sale trade and it never happens. That was like a seven win hit to the team right there. I think no one thought his body would hold up. But I find it interesting that a team that continually deals with injuries that the post-boy of the IL has been healthy all season in a Cy Young campaign the minute he's traded out of here.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2024 14:51:16 GMT -5
I am liking what I am seeing from Shugart. His stats in the minors were not all that great.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 1, 2024 14:52:10 GMT -5
Devers is going to have offseason surgery isnt he?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 1, 2024 14:52:29 GMT -5
I keep waiting for the finger pointers to settle on the Chris Sale trade and it never happens. That was like a seven win hit to the team right there. This made their offense terrible? Hoping Vaughn Grissom would be useful didn't help.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 1, 2024 14:54:25 GMT -5
This made their offense terrible? Hoping Vaughn Grissom would be useful didn't help. I've still got decent hopes on grissom. The trade is certainly an L in terms of this season but lots of time left for grissom to turn it around. I think a Hamilton grissom platoon at 2nd next year could provide good value while allowing Campbell and Mayer to continue their development as necessary.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Sept 1, 2024 14:54:58 GMT -5
People complaining about the Chris Sale trade definitely expected him to pitch 180 innings this year and win a Cy Young. Definitely.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 1, 2024 14:56:36 GMT -5
I keep waiting for the finger pointers to settle on the Chris Sale trade and it never happens. That was like a seven win hit to the team right there. You could argue the original sin of this season was that they just underestimated their own talent. Sale would have been useful for a team that was trying to win this season. Schrieber also would have been useful for a team trying to win this season (like, say, the Royals). And even if Grissom was meant to help them this year, Hamilton has turned out to be much better.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 1, 2024 14:57:01 GMT -5
Let’s just enjoy the sucking and hope for a random 2007 Rockies second half of September
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 1, 2024 14:57:16 GMT -5
I really thought theyd make the postseason. I was suckered. I had no idea their bullpen would implode or that Ceawford would give up a dozen HRs in 3 starts while Houck was at his worst. The Dodgers series was highly concerning, particularly the Kiké game, but the loss to the Yankees when Kenley gave up Grisham's wall scraper to tie the game bothered me the most. The extra inning loss to the Rockies was a kick in the groin that made me think that they're going to blow this. Blowing the game to the Astros and getting swept at home was the digging the grave series. And then blowing that last game against Arizona and getting swept at home again felt like the final nails in the coffin. I dont harbor any illusions that they make the playoffs. The could if theyd stop pulling the shit they pull, but they wont. At the very least you knew the Dodgers and Yankees were very good teams. The Astros have been surging and have given you problems. The Rockies was just terrible because they are a very bad team and was a chance to maintain some ground and confidence. But after getting swept by the Dodgers and blowing games late, the went 1-3 at home to the lowly Rockies, one of which was another blown save and the other was a 20 run walloping. Then proceeded to lose to the Yankees 2 out of 3. This was during a time when there were dreams of catching the Yankees. This was the most critical stretch I think. I'd be curious if their deadline moves would have been any different if they went 6-3 against the Dodgers, Rockies and Yankees. Granted they then went 6-3 against the Mariners, Rangers and Royals, but damage was done. Agree mostly except I don't think the Yankees are really a very good team, they get helium from the National media all the time, but that is as flawed a team as any, and this isn't just the Red Sox fan in me talking, that team doesn't go far in the playoffs unless they have extreme luck, or bad officiating on their side (Think WWE type scripting).
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 1, 2024 14:57:25 GMT -5
Again, the Sox bats were playing literally on a ‘27 Yankees run scoring pace coming out of the break. That’s the only reason we hovered around .500 during the first chunk of games after the break. Bad timing for the bats to go cold, but they simply weren’t going to keep doing that for an additional month and a half.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 1, 2024 14:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 1, 2024 14:59:37 GMT -5
I keep waiting for the finger pointers to settle on the Chris Sale trade and it never happens. That was like a seven win hit to the team right there. You could argue the original sin of this season was that they just underestimated their own talent. Sale would have been useful for a team that was trying to win this season. Schrieber also would have been useful for a team trying to win this season (like, say, the Royals). And even if Grissom was meant to help them this year, Hamilton has turned out to be much better. We keep gearing up for our “window”, the “big 4”, etc… meanwhile, seasons slip away; there’s literally no juggernaut team this season. Why wait until we can field a 95-100 game winner… no one’s going to win 100 games this season.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 1, 2024 15:00:58 GMT -5
So they initiated this clever "don't come to the ballpark early and stop having hitter's meetings" gambit and the bats immediately went dead? Hmm...
(I may be taking a little liberty with the timeline here but still, you have to wonder.)
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