TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 3, 2024 20:56:43 GMT -5
Despite this appearance, I would be pretty happy to bring Martin back on a healthy one year deal. I would despite tonight. 41-2 K/BB ratios dont grow on trees. I've been thinking the same about him and Jansen lately. I think it would take a bump in AAV to get either one of them back because they'll each find at least one other team willing to go to two years, I think. The SP needs take up a lot of the oxygen on here and understandably so. But I think the rebuild that the BP is going to need isn't getting enough attention. They have a lousy pen and the the top guys are FA.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 3, 2024 20:58:22 GMT -5
Really? Wow.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 3, 2024 20:58:31 GMT -5
Rafaela is 24 this month. He has such terrible plate discipline. He’s going to be a very frustrating player to watch offensively during his tenure here. I wouldn't count on him making any big strides. He knows it's bad to swing at the balls a foot outside, he just doesn't see it fast enough.
I think sometimes people act like swinging at a ball in the dirt is like a football coach making a boneheaded punt decision that he had all the time in the world to study for. It's instantaneous reactions.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 3, 2024 20:59:45 GMT -5
This year 70-69 Last year 72-67 - then they only won 6 more times.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 3, 2024 21:00:18 GMT -5
Shut devers down please
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 3, 2024 21:01:44 GMT -5
Giving up on this team after the D-Backs for me was good timing. I don't have any emotional reaction to these games over the last week, even though they would have been daggers if we were still in the hunt.
The worst thing about this is that all they needed to do was play slightly above 500 after the break. Now 17-27 since the break, which on an "excluding-the-White-Sox" basis is the worst record in baseball.
Forget about scoreboard watching, all this team needed to do was take care of their own business and they failed.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 3, 2024 21:02:44 GMT -5
Sox about to be 1 over .500 and have a 0 run differential I was talking myself into this team all summer but yeah this is done. Even if they sweep the White Sox the Orioles are going to kick their ass immediately afterwards Just sucks - there’s no reason to be excited about the off-season. The team told fans directly “we are going to try” 11 months ago and half-assed it. The season-end press conference this year might as well be in French, that’s how useless their words will be. It’s going to be a months long slog where Boras asks for the moon for Soto and Burnes, and we won’t make any trades because teams are only going to ask for the Fantastic Four God fucking damn it 4 prospects in the top 26 who are all in AAA should get you excited. Need to fix the pitching, but I'm looking forward to seeing that core break through over the course of the next year. No one can stop me from being optimistic about next season. But there's this odd thing where they kind of had a breakthrough with the young talent last season... but it was not quite enough and they fell flat in the end. Okay, I get that. But then this season all that talent broke through even more, with Houck in the Cy Young conversation and Duran being a legit superstar and Devers bouncing back and more breakthroughs with Hamilton and Abreu and Crawford and Slaten, etc.... and yet somehow the team overall isn't any better? It kinda doesn't compute for me.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 3, 2024 21:06:54 GMT -5
I'm expecting 1 big FA signing and at least 1 trade that is really going to hurt this offseason in an attempt to increase fan expectations for 2025. They need to do something other than just telling fans they're trying.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 3, 2024 21:07:43 GMT -5
4 prospects in the top 26 who are all in AAA should get you excited. Need to fix the pitching, but I'm looking forward to seeing that core break through over the course of the next year. No one can stop me from being optimistic about next season. But there's this odd thing where they kind of had a breakthrough with the young talent last season... but it was not quite enough and they fell flat in the end. Okay, I get that. But then this season all that talent broke through even more, with Houck in the Cy Young conversation and Duran being a legit superstar and Devers bouncing back and more breakthroughs with Hamilton and Abreu and Crawford and Slaten, etc.... and yet somehow the team overall isn't any better? It kinda doesn't compute for me. It's pretty simple they got nothing out of their expensive players. Devers, Yoshida, Story, Giolito, Kenley and Sale combined for 5 WAR on $120 million
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Post by incandenza on Sept 3, 2024 21:08:28 GMT -5
He’s going to be a very frustrating player to watch offensively during his tenure here. I wouldn't count on him making any big strides. He knows it's bad to swing at the balls a foot outside, he just doesn't see it fast enough.
I think sometimes people act like swinging at a ball in the dirt is like a football coach making a boneheaded punt decision that he had all the time in the world to study for. It's instantaneous reactions.
I long since resigned myself to him being a frustrating watch in the batter's box. But is he a frustrating 100 wRC+ or an infuriating 70 wRC+? Time will tell. So far by month:
April: 45 May: 87 June: 97 July: 119 August: 78
This was a good trend until it wasn't. Even August started out hot...
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 3, 2024 21:12:31 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Sept 3, 2024 21:15:56 GMT -5
4 prospects in the top 26 who are all in AAA should get you excited. Need to fix the pitching, but I'm looking forward to seeing that core break through over the course of the next year. No one can stop me from being optimistic about next season. But there's this odd thing where they kind of had a breakthrough with the young talent last season... but it was not quite enough and they fell flat in the end. Okay, I get that. But then this season all that talent broke through even more, with Houck in the Cy Young conversation and Duran being a legit superstar and Devers bouncing back and more breakthroughs with Hamilton and Abreu and Crawford and Slaten, etc.... and yet somehow the team overall isn't any better? It kinda doesn't compute for me. I’m optimistic for the 2025 season. I’m just not optimistic about the period between November 1st and February 15th. It’s gonna be a long wait when this season is done
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Post by incandenza on Sept 3, 2024 21:16:45 GMT -5
No one can stop me from being optimistic about next season. But there's this odd thing where they kind of had a breakthrough with the young talent last season... but it was not quite enough and they fell flat in the end. Okay, I get that. But then this season all that talent broke through even more, with Houck in the Cy Young conversation and Duran being a legit superstar and Devers bouncing back and more breakthroughs with Hamilton and Abreu and Crawford and Slaten, etc.... and yet somehow the team overall isn't any better? It kinda doesn't compute for me. It's pretty simple they got nothing out of their expensive players. Devers, Yoshida, Story, Giolito, Kenley and Sale combined for 5 WAR on $120 million Right (though by my count it's a little over 6?) but those same guys plus Kluber and Kiké combined for 5.7 WAR in 2023. How did all the young breakthrough talent not level them up?
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Post by asm18 on Sept 3, 2024 21:25:38 GMT -5
I'm expecting 1 big FA signing and at least 1 trade that is really going to hurt this offseason in an attempt to increase fan expectations for 2025. They need to do something other than just telling fans they're trying. But if you expect like Luis Severino, Andrew Heaney and some middle relievers, imagine how excited you’ll be if they actually do something big! 😁
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Post by ephus on Sept 3, 2024 21:26:07 GMT -5
This is what keeps me going on nights like tonight:
1. Jarren Duran CF (L) 2. Trevor Story SS (R) 3. Rafael Devers 3B (L) 4. Tristan Casas 1B (L) 5. Roman Anthony LF (L) 6. Wilyer Abreu RF (L) 7. Kristian Campbell 2B (R) 8. Kyle Teel C (L) 9. Chase Meidroth (DH) R
You may say that I’m a dreamer. But I’m not the only one.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 3, 2024 21:26:44 GMT -5
It's pretty simple they got nothing out of their expensive players. Devers, Yoshida, Story, Giolito, Kenley and Sale combined for 5 WAR on $120 million Right (though by my count it's a little over 6?) I was counting Grissom's -1 for Sale
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Sept 3, 2024 21:33:31 GMT -5
It's pretty simple they got nothing out of their expensive players. Devers, Yoshida, Story, Giolito, Kenley and Sale combined for 5 WAR on $120 million Right (though by my count it's a little over 6?) but those same guys plus Kluber and Kiké combined for 5.7 WAR in 2023. How did all the young breakthrough talent not level them up? Because a lot of your "breakthrough" talent haven't been that productive? You listed a few guys as breakthroughs who are ~1.5 WAR players this year. There's no extra credit for a young guy putting up a 1.5 WAR season instead of an old retread. It may bode well for the future, but it really doesn't drive you towards 90 wins. Duran, Houck and Abreu are the only guys who broke out. And that group was somewhat offset by Casas having an injury plagued 1 WAR season.
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Post by asm18 on Sept 3, 2024 21:43:49 GMT -5
If Raffy is finally taking mental swings in his head, the season may yet be saved
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Post by finaliz3d on Sept 3, 2024 21:54:57 GMT -5
Fellas we have a chance to pass two teams, one tied and one yet to play, in the tankathon standings tonight. St. Louis beat Milwaukee 7-4 so they're tied with us. Apparently the tiebreaker is actually last year's standings? So: Boston would be ahead of Seattle (in the draft) if they win, behind St. Louis... and we had the same record as Detroit last year so I'm not sure what this means. Depending on what the second tiebreaker after that is, we would have, if Seattle loses tonight, either the 14th or 15th pick, and if Seattle wins tonight, the 15th or 16th pick. God it's so hard to get excited about tanking.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 3, 2024 22:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Sept 3, 2024 22:10:07 GMT -5
Right (though by my count it's a little over 6?) but those same guys plus Kluber and Kiké combined for 5.7 WAR in 2023. How did all the young breakthrough talent not level them up? Because a lot of your "breakthrough" talent haven't been that productive? You listed a few guys as breakthroughs who are ~1.5 WAR players this year. There's no extra credit for a young guy putting up a 1.5 WAR season instead of an old retread. It may bode well for the future, but it really doesn't drive you towards 90 wins. Duran, Houck and Abreu are the only guys who broke out. And that group was somewhat offset by Casas having an injury plagued 1 WAR season. Duran + Houck + Abreu + Casas in 2023 = 6.0 Duran + Houck + Abreu + Casas in 2024 = 14.0 ???
I mean look, obviously the numbers are what they are and the record is what it is and it must all pencil out somehow. But those three guys alone are a pretty big deal and it's just odd to me that a team that feels like it has a bunch of young guys taking strides and objectively does have young guys taking strides is not somehow doing better than they did last season. ...Actually looking at the WAR totals... they totaled 27 WAR last season and this season they're already at 31.7 despite having 8 fewer wins, so there's something funny going on. Don't know if it's WPA or what and don't feel like looking into it right now but it does seem like they're underperforming where they "should" be in some sense or another.
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 3, 2024 22:11:35 GMT -5
I'm expecting 1 big FA signing and at least 1 trade that is really going to hurt this offseason in an attempt to increase fan expectations for 2025. They need to do something other than just telling fans they're trying. Yeah but we said the same thing last September and they didn’t do either thing
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Post by kingstephanos on Sept 3, 2024 22:14:12 GMT -5
Doc Rivers Quote: "Winning is like deodorant - it comes up and a lot of things don't stink."
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TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 3, 2024 22:14:46 GMT -5
Nut punch of a loss for the MFYs to the Rangers - a walkoff grand salami.
A good way to end my evening!
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 3, 2024 22:15:21 GMT -5
Because a lot of your "breakthrough" talent haven't been that productive? You listed a few guys as breakthroughs who are ~1.5 WAR players this year. There's no extra credit for a young guy putting up a 1.5 WAR season instead of an old retread. It may bode well for the future, but it really doesn't drive you towards 90 wins. Duran, Houck and Abreu are the only guys who broke out. And that group was somewhat offset by Casas having an injury plagued 1 WAR season. Duran + Houck + Abreu + Casas in 2023 = 6.0 Duran + Houck + Abreu + Casas in 2024 = 14.0 I mean look, obviously the numbers are what they are and the record is what it is and it must all pencil out somehow. But those three guys alone are a pretty big deal and it's just odd to me that a team that feels like it has a bunch of young guys taking strides and objectively does have young guys taking strides is not somehow doing better than they did last season. ...Actually looking at the WAR totals... they totaled 27 WAR last season and this season they're already at 31.7 despite having 8 fewer wins, so there's something funny going on. Don't know if it's WPA or what and don't feel like looking into it right now but it does seem like they're underperforming where they "should" be in some sense or another.
Casas was injured for like 2/3rds of this season. So that is a big ol reason in that WAR discrepancy. Also. A large factor in why the sox are where they are today
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